musicfiend Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 I just recently saw a vester custom shop model on ebay, and its a warwick thumb ripoff. From body style, to pickup placement, to knob arrangement, to natural wood color(not sure if they feature the same wood). So what do you guys think, I kow this depends on copyrights*, but still...the fender was the first bass, of couse it will be be imitated by many fans....but a warwick? *Fender only copyrighted his headstock deign AND NAMES which is why so many people had the right to manufacture basses with his body styles but not headstock design Hiram Bullock thinks I like the band volume too soft (but he plays guitar). Joe Sample thinks I like it way too loud (but he plays piano). -Marcus Miller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wraub Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 Funny enough, a LDer I know had as his former bass a Vester, although it was not Warwick stylee in the least. Obviously a lower priced bass, but played and sounded surprisingly good. Have a link to the auction in question? Peace, wraub I'm a lot more like I am now than I was when I got here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musicfiend Posted December 22, 2004 Author Share Posted December 22, 2004 that wierd i could a sworn I included a link, well here goes http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4713&item=3771085052&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW Hiram Bullock thinks I like the band volume too soft (but he plays guitar). Joe Sample thinks I like it way too loud (but he plays piano). -Marcus Miller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wraub Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 Yup... That looks like a Warwick alright, right down to the pickup angles. That is close. I'd be leery of those MOP fretmarkers, too. Nope. I don't think I'll buy one today. Thanks for the link! Peace, wraub I'm a lot more like I am now than I was when I got here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc taz Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 I think folks are taking note of the apparent Warwick cloning. No bids when I looked at it just a moment ago. sevenstring.org profile my flickr page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musicfiend Posted December 22, 2004 Author Share Posted December 22, 2004 I tried sending an email asking warwick if they copyrighted the thumb bodystyle, if so......well this no longer is wrong morally, but is wrong legally as well. Could somebody please email warwick and ask them if they copyrighted the thumb along with the above link. OR is this going overboard? Hiram Bullock thinks I like the band volume too soft (but he plays guitar). Joe Sample thinks I like it way too loud (but he plays piano). -Marcus Miller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Sweet Willie_ Posted December 23, 2004 Share Posted December 23, 2004 Also, while you're at it, ask the Warwick people in your next e-mail about whether the Spector/Steinberger body design was patented/copyrighted/trademarked (whatever the relevant term is!)... Peace. --s-dub spreadluv Fanboy? Why, yes! Nordstrand Pickups and Guitars. Messiaen knew how to parlay the funk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeronyne Posted December 23, 2004 Share Posted December 23, 2004 Also, if this is a custom jobbie, Warwick would be hard pressed to sue, especially if some of the dimensions aren;t exactly the same, just like Spector/Steinberger's dilemma if they were to try to go after Warwick (As the esteemed SW alludes to). "For instance" is not proof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musicfiend Posted December 23, 2004 Author Share Posted December 23, 2004 First of all, ouch Second of all, good point Third of all, I wondered how they would take the vester case seeing as how the streamer is akin to the spector Fourth of all, ALEX he was dissing the origin of your bass, Lets get him and his big fish o' love! Hiram Bullock thinks I like the band volume too soft (but he plays guitar). Joe Sample thinks I like it way too loud (but he plays piano). -Marcus Miller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Sweet Willie_ Posted December 23, 2004 Share Posted December 23, 2004 Feel the luv -- ev'ry day, all the time. Luv, luv, luv... Peace. --SW spreadluv Fanboy? Why, yes! Nordstrand Pickups and Guitars. Messiaen knew how to parlay the funk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davebassman Posted December 23, 2004 Share Posted December 23, 2004 I played a 5 string version of that bass about 9 years ago. It was heavy, the b string sucked as did the budget active p'ups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musicfiend Posted December 23, 2004 Author Share Posted December 23, 2004 Well, the heaviness doesn't strayu to far from the "inspiration model" and 5 strings have improves greatly over the passing years, pickups............ But, to me it's still morally incorrect, I'd pick up a lakland, saodwsky, or lull anyday though Maybe i'ma freak, yea that's the ticket Hiram Bullock thinks I like the band volume too soft (but he plays guitar). Joe Sample thinks I like it way too loud (but he plays piano). -Marcus Miller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Phil Posted December 23, 2004 Share Posted December 23, 2004 I think it is slightly skinnier at the imaginary horizontal line at the neck pocket... http://www.warwickbass.com/images/thumbbo4.jpghttp://images.andale.com/f2/125/115/8692661/1103006244084_DSC00395.jpghttp://www.warwickbass.com/images/thumb_bbltdsm.gif Not even a little? http://www.briantimpe.com/images/LDL/dots/blue.JPGhttp://www.briantimpe.com/images/LDL/dots/black.JPGhttp://www.briantimpe.com/images/LDL/dots/fuscia.JPGhttp://www.briantimpe.com/images/LDL/dots/grey.JPGhttp://www.briantimpe.com/images/LDL/dots/orange.JPGhttp://www.briantimpe.com/images/LDL/dots/purple.JPGhttp://www.briantimpe.com/images/LDL/dots/red.JPGhttp://www.briantimpe.com/images/LDL/dots/yellow.JPG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexclaber Posted December 23, 2004 Share Posted December 23, 2004 Originally posted by Dr. Sweet Willie: ...ask the Warwick people in your next e-mail about whether the Spector/Steinberger body design was patented/copyrighted/trademarked (whatever the relevant term is!)... Damn Warwick. I'd love to know whether they were still paying the royalties to Spector when my bass was made. Probably not though. Anyway, it's not my bass's fault that its parents were up to no good... Alex Barefaced Ltd - ultra lightweight, high ouput, toneful bass cabs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coopdbil Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 My Vester bass looks a lot like the one on ebay but the wood is very much prettier and isn't fret less and has Mother of pearl inlay dots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musicfiend Posted January 24, 2005 Author Share Posted January 24, 2005 Were you looking at warwick/spectors originally. If you've ab'd the vester with either of the aforementioned basses i'd love to hear your opinions. Hiram Bullock thinks I like the band volume too soft (but he plays guitar). Joe Sample thinks I like it way too loud (but he plays piano). -Marcus Miller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Phil Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 I got it. The cutaways on the vester aren't as deep as the the real warwick! Its almost not there. and the lower horn is a bit more pointy. http://www.briantimpe.com/images/LDL/dots/blue.JPGhttp://www.briantimpe.com/images/LDL/dots/black.JPGhttp://www.briantimpe.com/images/LDL/dots/fuscia.JPGhttp://www.briantimpe.com/images/LDL/dots/grey.JPGhttp://www.briantimpe.com/images/LDL/dots/orange.JPGhttp://www.briantimpe.com/images/LDL/dots/purple.JPGhttp://www.briantimpe.com/images/LDL/dots/red.JPGhttp://www.briantimpe.com/images/LDL/dots/yellow.JPG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coopdbil Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 If the Vester is a Warwick ripoff, who makes it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moot Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 Either way, it's one ugly fish. "He is to music what Stevie Wonder is to photography." getz76 I have nothing nice to say so . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musicfiend Posted January 24, 2005 Author Share Posted January 24, 2005 ouch.........i like the way my thumb bass looks and feels Hiram Bullock thinks I like the band volume too soft (but he plays guitar). Joe Sample thinks I like it way too loud (but he plays piano). -Marcus Miller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moot Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 No offense my brother! I like the look of thumbs too. That "thing" is such a poor copy that it is just ugly. The horns are too long - the thumb has a far more subtle design. It looks like somebody tried to improve on a great design and failed. "He is to music what Stevie Wonder is to photography." getz76 I have nothing nice to say so . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musicfiend Posted January 24, 2005 Author Share Posted January 24, 2005 No offense taken, I'm in agreement with you about that vester. Jeez, it's not a bass...it's a catfish . I don't get those position marker's either. Are they markers, or just reall worn down frets that have manages to stay shiny through an occurance of small miracles? The world may never know. Now, if you want to talk about a beautiful piece of funtional, musical art.....then how bout another pic of that blondezooka Hiram Bullock thinks I like the band volume too soft (but he plays guitar). Joe Sample thinks I like it way too loud (but he plays piano). -Marcus Miller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fonz Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 well, it does look like a warwick, but then as far as i know body designs are not copywritable. i've got a vester floating around somewhere. nice little instrument. very servicable. not my taste, more for the speedier players. i checked out the link to see what this dude was getting for it. not sure $500 is a resonable asking price. more like $100. funny that he relists the thing at the same starting bid. not too bright. Eeeeeehhhhhhhhh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moot Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 Now, if you want to talk about a beautiful piece of funtional, musical art.....then how bout another pic of that blondezooka Thanks for asking! I really like that little cab. And since you mentioned it, I started the matching 12" cab today and will be re-tuning the 15" enclosure so they compliment each other. When I'm done, (3 weeks or so) I'll post pics. It's hard to stay in the shop when it's 70 degrees outside. The Fish! The lousy Fish! They MOCK ME!! "He is to music what Stevie Wonder is to photography." getz76 I have nothing nice to say so . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musicfiend Posted January 24, 2005 Author Share Posted January 24, 2005 I would ask for a portable cab from you......but it doesn't make sense when you consider my not so portable head at a hearty 47 lbs+8 lb rack bag+weight of cables on bag(feather on the camels back). Hiram Bullock thinks I like the band volume too soft (but he plays guitar). Joe Sample thinks I like it way too loud (but he plays piano). -Marcus Miller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornbread_medhotmail.com Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 If every company were as lawsuit happy as Gibson, we'd only have 2 gear manufacturers and we would be paying a hefty price tag. Look at it as competition. Competition yields a much better product for the consumer and a much better price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afro_Man Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 Its a little out of date but Warwick bought the design off Spector for the Streamer, i don't know if this was right at the start or due to an impending law suit, the spectors and warwicks look different to me i think i'd be able to tell them apart minus headstock. Nic "i must've wrote 30 songs the first weekend i met my true love ... then she died and i got stuck with this b****" - Father of the Pride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dispute Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 This is a dean bass that looks like a thumb but not quite as much as the vester http://www.deanguitars.com/sledge_hammer_5.htm -Dalton MySpace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dispute Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 oops here it is -Dalton MySpace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 P Bass Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 Originally posted by Ace Cracker: well, it does look like a warwick, but then as far as i know body designs are not copywritable. Tell that to Gibson; they're suing PRS for having a single-cut body style. I've lusted after a Thumb ever since I heard Jack Bruce playing one, and saw it on the cover of his album "Willpower". I think the Vestor is more akin to one of those Bugatti car kits that you put on a VW chassis; similar, but not really the same. "Start listening to music!". -Jeremy C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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