zeronyne Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 Driving home from the Post Office this morning, I happened to catch "Stone in Love" on the radio. I never really gave it much thought, but is Ross Valory playing a fretless on that song? "For instance" is not proof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveC Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 I'll have to listen when I get home. It might be, although I don't recall him playing a fretless. His tone has a lot of that "mid range growl" and does sound a lot like a fretless. Interesting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lug Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 He's a T-40 user so he's OK in my book! You can stop now -jeremyc STOP QUOTING EVERY THING I SAY!!! -Bass_god_offspring lug, you should add that statement to you signature.-Tenstrum I'm not sure any argument can top lug's. - Sweet Willie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClarkW Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 I just listened to a little clip and it sounds like his trademark sound, which is about as close to a fretless tone as I've heard anyone get on a fretted. My guess would be that it's just his magic working to trick your ear. (PS We've covered a few Journey songs and I'll often do them on fretless because I just can't get the tone right on my fretted!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Sweet Willie_ Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 Originally posted by ClarkW: I just listened to a little clip and it sounds like his trademark sound, which is about as close to a fretless tone as I've heard anyone get on a fretted. 1. Clark! Nice to read your words. I feel like you've had a reduced presence here of recent. How's tricks? 2. Fretless sound on a fretted? Well, the one time I heard Stanley Clark play live he did a couple of tunes on his fretted that sounded eerily fretless. Also, there's a cat named Jake Kot who plays fretted w/ a fretless tone -- you can hear a sample of his at the AccuG website. I have his CD, and it's quite good. I think he's based in WA state. 3. Journey was never one of my faves. Nothing against them. Fine musicians. Just not really my thang. Peace. --s-uu spreadluv Fanboy? Why, yes! Nordstrand Pickups and Guitars. Messiaen knew how to parlay the funk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeronyne Posted December 8, 2004 Author Share Posted December 8, 2004 How the heck does he do that? It's not like it's dead strings or anything...there is no fretted character at all! I've tried to do something similar with signal processing before, but the closest I can get is a Jamerson P Bass thump. How do you get a fretted to mwah? That song, as vacuous as it is, has some tasty near-mwah. "For instance" is not proof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveC Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 I had a friend tell me i sounded just like that when we were jamming to a coupl eJourney tunes. I was using a Lakland 55-02 Skyline with Bart pre and Bart J and MM pups. I turned the blend just a bit to favor the bridge MM pup and played closer to the bridge. I forgot about that tune. Chalk another sale up to iTunes. Can't go wrong for 99 cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basshappi Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 How do you get a fretted to mwah? That song, as vacuous as it is, has some tasty near-mwah. My Precision has a maple fingerboard with a gloss finish. It has a very distinct "mwah" above the 9th fret. I don't exactly which bass he played on that song and can't find anything on the net. But he had started playing a Stienberger aroud that time (didn't everyone)maybe it is possible with the right EQ and that synthetic fretboard. Nothing is as it seems but everything is exactly what it is - B. Banzai Life is what happens while you are busy playing in bands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RalphM Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 I don't know which bass he used on that tune either but on the official Journey website, Ross Valory states that he occasionally used a Steinbeger fretless (in addition to a fretted) around that same time. So maybe it is fretless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred TBP Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 Man, I wish I had posted on that earlier thread on "Most difficult song". This one has stumped me for years! So much processing went into the guitars and harmonies and you'd think there was a way to crank the bass up just a little so you could make out the notes he's playing in the ending coda. I even went searching for bass transcripts on this one, but I must've cancelled my BP subscription before they printed this one out. Good topic, but I #$*&ING HATE THIS SONG! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveC Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 Like 'em or not, Journey sold a lot of records. I kinda like this bass part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATM Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 Ah, my favorite song from my favorite band. Second track on the E5C4P3 (ESCAPE) album. Still searching for specifics, but I do know that Ross tunes BEAD. Trying to find his FAQ page again. ATM http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v506/atmofmn/Bass/DeepThoughtsBS.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTRBass Posted December 9, 2004 Share Posted December 9, 2004 "Stoned in love" is a Peavey T40, favoring the bridge humbucker. Virtually every bass track on Escape is the T40. BTW - That record was made before the Steinbergers were widely popular or available in large numbers. There is something about the way that Peavey bass is built. If you play it legato, you definitely get less fret noise than many other basses. It does sound like a fretless. Add a bit of chorusing (like on those Journey records)to the bass track and you come very close to a fretless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveC Posted December 9, 2004 Share Posted December 9, 2004 Speaking of Ross and the T40... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=621&item=3768273596&rd=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockinredneck69 Posted December 9, 2004 Share Posted December 9, 2004 Originally posted by GTRBass: "Stoned in love" is a Peavey T40, favoring the bridge humbucker. Virtually every bass track on Escape is the T40. BTW - That record was made before the Steinbergers were widely popular or available in large numbers. There is something about the way that Peavey bass is built. If you play it legato, you definitely get less fret noise than many other basses. It does sound like a fretless. Add a bit of chorusing (like on those Journey records)to the bass track and you come very close to a fretless.Very helpfull info...at least for me! Thanks man!!! Donnie Peterson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricknbokkerv2.0 Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 I've listened to a lot of Journey over the years (my ex loved 'em), and I've played a few of their tunes in some cover bands. Always seemed to me that Vallory was using a chorus on a lot of stuff. Maybe not? I dunno... Ricky Click on some ads once in a while!! --------------> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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