hard truth Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 OK I'll admit upfront I'm not a real bassist, I'm a guitarist who owns a bass and uses it for occassional recording. I got a 5 string recently and it occurred to me that by dropping the G string to F# the bass is tuned with the same intervals between strings as a standard guitar (except the high E is missing). Since I am accustomed to playing guitar and baritone guitar this makes it easier for me to find my way around. I suppose if you always played bass this wouldn't be any kind of advantage, but for folks like me this makes lots of sense. Question: Is this unusual? Does anyone else around here do it? www.oranjproductions.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g. Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 Seems like a shortcut to me that a few minutes of time with the bass would negate the calue of anyway. And some thought about the bass. I mean what would you do if it were a seven string guitar you were moving to? . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicklab Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 Yes, it's unusual. In fact, I think this tuning may wind up causing more confusion. Think of the standard 4 string bass like the 4 lowest strings on the guitar. The way the 5 string varies from that formula is that it adds a lower string. If you were playing a 5 string tuned E-A-D-G-C, I think I could understand you wanting to tune the C down to B. But in the case of a standard 5 string, I really don't think that tuning the G down to F# would really help you. Obligatory Social Media Link "My concern is, and I have to, uh, check with my accountant, that this might bump me into a higher, uh, tax..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 I can't see any practicality to dropping your G to F#. It think in the long run you'll be happier playing a bass if you to get used to the straight 4ths tuning..... Rock on... BCR's homepage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy c Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 Go ahead. You don't need our permission. Free download of my cd!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Hoffman Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 But he should ALWAYS ask first. "The world will still be turning when you've gone." - Black Sabbath Band site: www.finespunmusic.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davebrownbass Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 The guitarist in our jazz trio many years ago made the commitment to tune his guitar like a bass...move the e up to an f to get fourths all around. He's an incredible player; of course, he doesn't play barre chords too much. I agree that there is no intrinsic advantage in changing the bass tuning. Sure, your solo lines may be guitar-like. However, your bass playing will no longer match the idiom. "Let's raise the level of this conversation" -- Jeremy Cohen, in the Picasso Thread. Still spendin' that political capital far faster than I can earn it...stretched way out on a limb here and looking for a better interest rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenLoy Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 Tune it however you like. As long as you're in tune, in time, and in taste, nobody will care how your bass is tuned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClarkW Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 Originally posted by BenLoy: Tune it however you like. As long as you're in tune, in time, and in taste, nobody will care how your bass is tuned.Proof: Michael Manring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc taz Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 Originally posted by BenLoy: Tune it however you like. As long as you're in tune, in time, and in taste, nobody will care how your bass is tuned.Yessir! I just love dropping my 5's low B to an A for some massive, bone crushing lows. It's the same note as a piano's lowest A note. Blow dem speakers, and make 'em go to the can, I say! ;-) sevenstring.org profile my flickr page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy c Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 For a while, I had my 6 string tuned B E A D F# B. But I couldn't really reach guitar chords on the wide neck of the bass and I went back to the standard tuning. Free download of my cd!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenLoy Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 Red Mitchell and Joel Quarrington tune their double basses low to high: C-G-D-A Red Mitchell did it primarily to get a good low C without having to buy a 5 string. Joel did it for that reason and so he would sound more in tune with the cellos, violas and violins in the orchestra. After hearing them play, nobody can say they're doing something wrong. I'm impressed that they can handle the scary shifting required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATM Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 Don't forget that playing bass is a state of mind, no matter how low you go. ATM http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v506/atmofmn/Bass/DeepThoughtsBS.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbroni Posted October 29, 2004 Share Posted October 29, 2004 Alternate tunings are always cool in my book as they can lead to new and unique ways of playing. An excellent way for me to get out of ruts is to try new tunings or instruments that are tuned differently, and then transpose back to my standard tuning. Though I have to admit the thing I hate most about playing my guitar is the 1/2 step shift, when playing scales. Together all sing their different songs in union - the Uni-verse. My Current Project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coyote Posted October 29, 2004 Share Posted October 29, 2004 Tuning in fifths has been standard for viol-family instruments for a few hundred years. Except the bass, due to the long reaches required. Tuning a bass in fifths almost destroys the concept of position playing that has served the stringed-instrument family so well for so long. Obviously if someone can do it well we cannot call it wrong. As others have said, tune as you like. I would only offer this: The tuning of a guitar is designed to make position playing of full chords easier. Such full chords are incredibly rare on bass, so there's really no advantage served in dropping the G string to F#. Besides, since it's the B string on guitar which gets the maj3 interval and NOT the G string, you'd likely be confusing yourself even more. But there's no harm in trying it out! Let us know how it goes. Originally posted by BenLoy: Red Mitchell and Joel Quarrington tune their double basses low to high: C-G-D-A Red Mitchell did it primarily to get a good low C without having to buy a 5 string. Joel did it for that reason and so he would sound more in tune with the cellos, violas and violins in the orchestra. After hearing them play, nobody can say they're doing something wrong. I'm impressed that they can handle the scary shifting required. I used to think I was Libertarian. Until I saw their platform; now I know I'm no more Libertarian than I am RepubliCrat or neoCON or Liberal or Socialist. This ain't no track meet; this is football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moot Posted October 29, 2004 Share Posted October 29, 2004 Blow dem speakers, and make 'em go to the can, I say! ;-) Dr. Taz My new hero. "He is to music what Stevie Wonder is to photography." getz76 I have nothing nice to say so . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g. Posted October 29, 2004 Share Posted October 29, 2004 I've had my back up bass (six-string) tuned to fifths quite a lot. THAT faciliates chording of a more open voicing than a fourths-tuned bass. One can scam mandolin chord charts as a matter of fact - though that's more trouble than just knowing what notes and relationships are on the neck. It makes for some shifting though. If you are playing a lot of R&B/blues/boogies-derived bass lines that may be a big pain for you. Stuff that uses more fifths and octave and sevenths probably won't. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zachg Posted October 30, 2004 Share Posted October 30, 2004 the set up wouldn't be right, but i would suggest stringing the low b as the e, and add on a high b where the g would be. you don't get the lower notes, but the bass is just like a guitar, only missing the high e string. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g. Posted October 30, 2004 Share Posted October 30, 2004 I don't see it. Guitarists supposedly have been playing "tunings" forever. Drop D, G, etc - well before electric guitarists were looking for lower power chords and what not. A lot of these players used multiple tunings in the course of a night. What's so hard about dealing with a few simple fourths-based variants? Are bassists REALLY guitarists that couldn't make the grade? I'd like to think not. Use different tunings for the possibilities they open up - not because you don't want to put the time in to deal with the instrument rightly. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knuckle_head Posted October 30, 2004 Share Posted October 30, 2004 I actually tune my baritone in 4ths straight across - but then I am known for having one or two tuning adventures on the bass side as well. Just as we take advantage of what is, we should recognize the utility of what is not. - Lao-tzu It's what I make - it's what I play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hard truth Posted November 18, 2004 Author Share Posted November 18, 2004 Now that its been a few weeks I can report my results so far with tuning theG string of my five string to F#. I still like it. Its probably not a good idea for most bass players, but I don't claim to be a real bass player. I mostly play guitar and baritone guitar. With this tuning I have been able to use the knowledge of the fretboard that I developed on the guitar to save time learning my way around the five string bass. My conclusion-if you are primarily a guitarist and only play five string bass occassionally, you can learn to get around on the instrument more quickly with this tuning. www.oranjproductions.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g. Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 A secret part of me wants to believe decent guitarists are smarter than that. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigKahuna855 Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 i thought a bari-guitar was tuned B-E-A-D-G-B... "I'm thinkin' we should let bump answer this one... Prepare to don Nomex!" -social critic "When I install my cannons, I'm totally going to blast their asses back to the 16th century; Black Beard style" -bumpcity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g. Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 A-D-G-C-E-A is also used for baritones quite a bit, and if you consider the Fender-VI types to be baritones as well (tonally they are closer to guitar than bass most of the time), E-A-D-G-B-E. Anything goes when it comes to tunings really. But tunings are usually arrived at to help achieve stylistic/musical goals - not because someone wants a shortcut that'll save a couple minutes of learning. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy c Posted November 18, 2004 Share Posted November 18, 2004 I thought that A to A was more common for baritone guitars. A D G C E A Free download of my cd!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hard truth Posted November 19, 2004 Author Share Posted November 19, 2004 The most common tuning for baritone is BEADF#B. The advantage is that the interval relationship between strings is the same as the standard guitar tuning, so you can use guitar chord patterns. The A tuning also seems to be pretty common. I'm sorry I disappointed you Greenboy. Please don't hold it against all guitar players. If it was my goal to be primarily a bass player I would probably stick with the standard tuning. But since I don't play bass all that much, and I'm accustomed to the baritone and regular guitar I'm taking the easy way out. I have seen no evidence of harm from doing so. www.oranjproductions.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g. Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 I'm just shocked. I've ssen guitarists who used a lot of tunings, didn't seem to have all that much trouble accomodating the changes even on ones that were relatively new to them. In the same way I have been shocked when bassists said that moving to a 5 string confused them. I guess I was lucky. My early days in music had me jumping around between instruments in the keys of Bb and C, with widely divergent ways of playing them, and it wasn't too long before I was playing ones in the key of Eb too and conversing with guitarists while describing the changes or notes. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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