wraub Posted October 26, 2004 Share Posted October 26, 2004 Hey all, been busy as ever lately, no time to post, but I have a question for y'alls... Background-I have a 300 watt head, I play a 5 string w/ low B. Mainly straight ahead rock, and groovy funky stuff. I am looking for a cab for rehearsals, mainly at home, although I may drag this out for small gigs. Main factors for consideration are price, sound quality, and portability (in that order, sadly.) I have been looking at Avatar, and specifically the SB112 and the B210 Neo. The 112 has a single Eminence Delta 12 LF, 500 RMS watts, in an enclosure tuned to 50 Hz with a -3 dB of 58 Hz. The 210 has 2 Deltalite Neodymium speakers x300 watts for RMS=600 watt in an enclosure tuned to 55 Hz with a -3dB of 57Hz. Weight difference is 1 pound, size difference is 3/4 of an inch. Difference in retail is $20.00. Which of these would you choose? What might be your alternatives? Thanks for your time... I'll check in as I can... Peace, wraub p.s. Yes, I still have a lot of Bass Player Live pics to post... (sigh) I'm a lot more like I am now than I was when I got here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lug Posted October 26, 2004 Share Posted October 26, 2004 get the 2X10 just because I said so. You can stop now -jeremyc STOP QUOTING EVERY THING I SAY!!! -Bass_god_offspring lug, you should add that statement to you signature.-Tenstrum I'm not sure any argument can top lug's. - Sweet Willie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edendude Posted October 26, 2004 Share Posted October 26, 2004 I'm guessing the 2x10 will move more air and therefore be more efficient and louder when you need that. So I'd give the 2x10 the edge, since everything else is so close. Which one do you actually like the sound of better? That's really the most important thing. My Last Band Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g. Posted October 26, 2004 Share Posted October 26, 2004 Things are not "so close". Paint by numbers without a graph also, can be decieving. The Delta 12 LF puts out a real beefy sound - lots of lower frequency and a fairly smooth midrange with what some people might consider "bark". The 210 is going to be more upper mids oriented. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coyote Posted October 26, 2004 Share Posted October 26, 2004 You're kidding, right? Since when does sound trump stats, dimensions, weight? This is only music after all.... Originally posted by Edendude: Which one do you actually like the sound of better? That's really the most important thing. I used to think I was Libertarian. Until I saw their platform; now I know I'm no more Libertarian than I am RepubliCrat or neoCON or Liberal or Socialist. This ain't no track meet; this is football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g. Posted October 26, 2004 Share Posted October 26, 2004 If someone were overly concerned about sound quality they'd probably be shopping for something more expensive anyway. I mean, that lack of a real crossover is just henious with those 10" woofers. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lug Posted October 26, 2004 Share Posted October 26, 2004 Originally posted by AgentCooper: If someone were overly concerned about sound quality they'd probably be shopping for something more expensive anyway. I mean, that lack of a real crossover is just henious with those 10" woofers.The SB112 has the same horn/crossover as the B210. You can stop now -jeremyc STOP QUOTING EVERY THING I SAY!!! -Bass_god_offspring lug, you should add that statement to you signature.-Tenstrum I'm not sure any argument can top lug's. - Sweet Willie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g. Posted October 26, 2004 Share Posted October 26, 2004 Yes, and the response curve is different for the two different woofers. The 12 is smoother up there. Ergo, they blend differently with a horn. But I wasn't making reference to that when I posted what you quoted. I was talking about other cabs entirely. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wraub Posted October 26, 2004 Author Share Posted October 26, 2004 Thanks all so far. As for the sound, the trial period will hopefully answer that for me. All I have to go on for now is the specs, unless anyone here has any real-world experience. GB- The crossover was my concern as well, along with the 12 seeming more likely to offer more bark and presence, for lack of a better word. Coyote- the dimensions and stats are there to speak to one of my necessary concerns, that of portability. Consider them reference materials. Additionally, in my initial post I mentioned that finances are my main concern here, even trumping sound quality to some extent. This is mainly for practicing and rehearsals, so while sound quality is obviously important, it's not like I'm building a world-class reference rig. It has to be fairly inexpensive and portable, these are mandatory. Loud, clear, and punchy within the set-out limitations are what I'm looking for. It need not be Avatar, although the new alternatives at that price point look less inviting. I would buy used, although delivery charges on most items will kill any real choices for me. Peace, wraub I'm a lot more like I am now than I was when I got here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edendude Posted October 26, 2004 Share Posted October 26, 2004 What about a used SWR G-Junior or an Eden D210T? There always seems to be lots of those kicking around music stores and on Ebay for great prices. Either should out-shine those Avatar cabs. My Last Band Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g. Posted October 26, 2004 Share Posted October 26, 2004 Wraub, Well, you might recall what I think about that particular 12" woofer. It's one of the best Eminence stock woofers to ever be designed. I wish they'd get their Neo lineup in better order - they just don't have that punch I want for the bottom course of a system. In a three way, as a mid, they are pretty good. Some people are happy with mostly mids. But I like some bass with my meal. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coyote Posted October 26, 2004 Share Posted October 26, 2004 My post was meant as a humorous response to edendude. Originally posted by wredwrum wraub: Coyote- the dimensions and stats are there to speak to one of my necessary concerns, that of portability. Consider them reference materials. Peace, wraubHowever, now that you mention it a bass rig is typically quite portable. A 4x10 + 1x15 stack can easily fit in the back seat of most 4-door subcompact cars. So of course your rig will be a product of the $$ you can afford to spend. But that ought really be your only consideration, unless you need to take the amp on the subway or something. JMO of course. I used to think I was Libertarian. Until I saw their platform; now I know I'm no more Libertarian than I am RepubliCrat or neoCON or Liberal or Socialist. This ain't no track meet; this is football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveC Posted October 26, 2004 Share Posted October 26, 2004 I like the sound I get from my Begrantino HT112. It's always been loud enough and is easy to haul around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g. Posted October 26, 2004 Share Posted October 26, 2004 coyote, Trying to get him to buy Euphonic Audio or Accugroove, are ya? ; } . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
57pbass Posted October 26, 2004 Share Posted October 26, 2004 Wraub - Check your PM www.danielprine.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lug Posted October 26, 2004 Share Posted October 26, 2004 Originally posted by AgentCooper: coyote, Trying to get him to buy Euphonic Audio or Accugroove, are ya? ; }+ a couple of Sunfire Subs! You can stop now -jeremyc STOP QUOTING EVERY THING I SAY!!! -Bass_god_offspring lug, you should add that statement to you signature.-Tenstrum I'm not sure any argument can top lug's. - Sweet Willie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g. Posted October 26, 2004 Share Posted October 26, 2004 lug, I'd be pleased to audition them! PM me for a shipping address : } . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wraub Posted October 26, 2004 Author Share Posted October 26, 2004 Originally posted by coyote: My post was meant as a humorous response to edendude. Originally posted by wredwrum wraub: Coyote- the dimensions and stats are there to speak to one of my necessary concerns, that of portability. Consider them reference materials. Peace, wraubHowever, now that you mention it a bass rig is typically quite portable. A 4x10 + 1x15 stack can easily fit in the back seat of most 4-door subcompact cars. So of course your rig will be a product of the $$ you can afford to spend. But that ought really be your only consideration, unless you need to take the amp on the subway or something. JMO of course.No car to speak of, except for the random trip with the drummer. This will indeed be a subway rig (when it leaves the house), with the occasional cab ride, I'm sure. Peace, wraub I'm a lot more like I am now than I was when I got here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCunha Posted October 26, 2004 Share Posted October 26, 2004 Before I bought my Acme's I was using an Avatar B210 and B115. I bought them because of the Bass Player Magazine review. The B210 in my opinion is useless without the B115. The B210 doesn't seem to have very good bass response even for an E string. Together they work well with a pretty good sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dohhhhh6 Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 Well, I'll give my extremely biased opinion on the Avatar 2x10 Neo. I haven't played it in a band setting yet, but I feel that it'll definitely provide the goods. As Agent Cooper said, it's definitely biased towards the high mids. However, the speakers handle my E string loud with tons of bass dialed in without farting. I'd like to add that the Neo speakers that Dave uses have I believe a 3 mm or higher X max than the Eminence Deltas that he uses. Please Cooper, don't beat me if I just said something ignorant. Anyways, the tone with my OLP Music Man copy (strung with flatwounds), Peavey Mark VIII head is I'd say a bit on the bland side. I don't want to go so far as to say that it's too uncolored (as I've never heard a true uncolored rig to reference it with), but I think that's what that blandness might indicate. It's weight is quite obviously the best factor. It weighs a bit less than you'd imagine and can easily be carried with one arm (if you can manage the awkward shape of all bass speakers). I find the tweeter to add the much needed high end clarity at about 1/4. There's a review on the Neo 2x10 at Harmony Central's review section. I hope that helped you a bit. LadY In Skynyrd We Trust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g. Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 Da, It seems you have a real good technical understanding. And for all I know you are a foot taller and a hundred pounds more tahn me, so... ; } Anyway, that Neo load does indeed have a better xmax (which Eminence should do more with for themselves too), which means that they are unlikely to hit the backstops with a low B or a regular E - which all tonal issues aside is the biggest dissapointment of the older Av 210. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 IMHO .... I'd go with the SB112... I think it sounds better.... I've played thru both, and the '112 has more bottom and low mids. The B210 just doesn't sound as good to me... Rock on.... Tommy BCR's homepage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lug Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 Originally posted by AgentCooper: lug, I'd be pleased to audition them! PM me for a shipping address : }Just waiting on my lotto winnings to buy a couple. Actually, I always thought a couple of these plus some high freq support would make a killer compact combo. You can stop now -jeremyc STOP QUOTING EVERY THING I SAY!!! -Bass_god_offspring lug, you should add that statement to you signature.-Tenstrum I'm not sure any argument can top lug's. - Sweet Willie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g. Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 You hURLed those once before, didn't you, lug. I guess I should look again... . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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