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I love it and it sounds awesome.

http://home.earthlink.net/~wcunha/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/bassrig1.jpg

If you want post a pic of your rig too. It's cool to see what other people are using. However it my cause GAS.

 

Wade

 

EDIT: The Preamp Is a Ampeg SVP-PRO with a Peavey DPC1400X Power Amp.

 

The bass is made from eBay Parts. I have no idea what brand the body is. The neck is a Moses Graphite with my Wife's initials on it. The bridge is a Schaller. Pickups are EMG with 18 volts. That isn't a tone pot it's an EMG EXB or something like that. It cuts the mids and boosts the lows and highs. Oh and there is a little piece of oak shimming the neck. It turned out the neck pocket was too deep. So, it's a poor mans custom. It'd probably go great with GB's poor mans Accugroove.

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Specifics on the rack??

(hey; I'm old, my eyes are bad, I han't emxn sea whai i'n typing...)

 

(Loves me some ACME tho', Here's mine! -

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Demeter Pre and a QSC PLX 1602.

 

Whadda deal!! Reverse logos and controls!!! Backwards pots!!! Once in a lifetime!!! Got it for a song!!

 

;)

 

Jim

{Thanks Eckerds, for the fine print!!!}

Jim

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Still my current rig.

 

http://home.comcast.net/~steforce/100_0182.JPG

 

Current rig (from top: Furman conditioner, SWR Grand Prix, Alesis Midiverb 4, DBX 160 limiter/compressor, Korg tuner, Peavey Midibase interface, Mackie M1400i power amp. Behringer midi controller (floor), and Digitech midi controller (for scrolling). Pictured is my Eden 410 XLT; however, I also have a Eden 410 XST which is in the garage (my gigging bottom).

Steve Force,

Durham, North Carolina

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I've never seen an acme cab until today. Wcunha...what kind of preamp/power amp combo is that?

What is that extra middle size speaker on the acme?(not the 10, not the tweeter)

 

Non-photogenicity (is that a word?) issues aside here's me and my gk1001 + ashdown410.

 

http://us.f2.yahoofs.com/users/3f2dc2ed_c9c4/bc/Yahoo!+Photo+Album/a693.jpg?pf0XkUBBFGrNGl5Y

 

jason

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Soli Deo Gloria

 

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POOR MAN's ACCUGROOVE

 

I usually play through an Ampeg 1832 Extreme Series. I have text about it preassembled so I'll dump that here with the only picture I have right now:

 

http://www.phinixi.com/~greenboy-/MusicImage/pr1832he.jpg

 

In the past I've used a lot of TRUE subwoofers in combination with bass, guitar or multiple-way PA top-cabs (mains) or monitors. This is a bassified do-it-all cab. It's a four-way, with biamp or full-range - 1/4" and Speakon into a great passive crossover feeding top-spec Eminence drivers: one 18" into a quasi horn, two 10", two 6.5" and a Fostex horn - which sounds SO much better crossed over at 6 KHz than it does at the typical 2.5 KHz most box designers use in two-ways.

 

Anyway. This thing is discontinued; just like any other Ampeg innovation without recidivistic Old School appeal, it received about zero commitment and marketing. But it had design input from Vic Wooten, specifically built to be immaculately fast in transients and have a quality top-bucks PA freq response. It weighs a lot but comes with wheels and a swimming pool handle. I replaced the wheels with 5" ones and added a couple of 2" ones in front and it still only sits about 40" tall. Even with a full flight of stairs I can deal with it alone for loadin and loadout, and I'm usually set up in a few minutes and waiting for others tio get it together, thanks to my V-Bass floor unit driving a single space 14-pound, 1400-watt Peavey DPC-1400X power amp, all carried along with various accesories in a 4-space rack.

 

In the pic you'll notice the 1832 has a Marshall slant for the "top-cab section". I painted the horn fluorescent green - as I do with all my cabs. It's surrounded by the ultra-tight 6.5 (1 KHz to 6 KHz) and sealed-cab 10 (200 Hz to 1 K Hz). Below, the subwoofer points downward at 45 degrees; the massive speaker and its vent feeding into that quasi-horn together so that the ultra lows can keep up SPL-wise with the usually more efficient higher-range drivers above... This thing is just brutal scary when you get on any stage or floor and feed it with some lows!

 

If you can find one of these cheap and can deal with the 24x24x38 sized package they are true extended range gutblasters - real facemelters that can handle lots of wattage (I hit mine with 1400 watts conservatively when I'm doing the heaviest gigs). And they can be used to punish anybody nearby who needs it {;} without unduly distorting the tonal or transient characteristics of the input. Pristine even at sacrificial levels! If Ampeg had brains they would have started a ERB division and these beotches would be about the only other reliable Accugroove-quality single cab around. They truly rule. The price I got mine at is lower than you could by the raw speakers even if you were a distributor.

 

NOTES FROM QUESTIONS I'VE BEEN ASKED:

 

It was uncanny to first hear it - totally belying its diminutive appearance. I was hearing something like big big stack with a subwoofer - only cleaner and flatter, like topnotch PA! But I was seeing something that from the front was not that much larger than some 410, certainly not as tall as some 215 I had been around.

 

Part of the trick with this setup is that the "top cab" is very small in internal volume. The 10" drivers are an efficient design that was especially made to function as midbass in a small sealed cab. That means absolutely no port delay - fast fast transients ported speakers just don't have. It also means that the majority of internal space is available for the subwoofer, which gives it a better shot at reaching to lower frequencies with strength without being hyped in the midbass. If the same components were rebuilt to be a two sections stack it would be a lot more like a 410 sitting on a Big Ben and not actually have the acoutical power and tightness advantage of the quasi horn loading.

 

The internal crossover is at 200 Hz (I use 150 if actually ever using an active crossover for biamping). So another big advantage is that all the directional frequency content is coming from sealed box (the 10 and 6.5 and horn drivers), which makes it very "fast" sounding with a very focused image and a decently wide soundfield for all frequencies. The transients and presence make favored 410 cabs sound almost blodgy - smudged and imprecise.

 

Distortion coming through this thing is so tight and controlled - it is truly scary to many rock rhythm guitarists to hear layered-octaves power chords simultaneaously with bass with both clean and distorted tones coming at them. It just reaks of Job Insecurity for them ; }

 

Oddly enough, other than requiring a vehicle that can hold 40"x26"x25" its really easy to deal with. The larger diameter wheels I've added make even deep lawns, gravel parking lots, and Montana winter loadins a breeze, and aid in stair climbs. Almost always, I am set up before those toiling guitarists with their 412 cabs ; }

 

Actually I DO like to have some authentic vintage tones on tap. So I use modeling, which CAN get one incredibly close these days with at least a couple of units (for that matter, tweaking on some multieffects preamps can too - if one understands the makeup of various known tones). So for this approach I'd rather have a cabinet that is closer to flat - but with an extended range too since I might be playing down below low B sometimes. As far as quality highs, got to watch out for horns that crossover at too low of a freq - some of them can't gracefully deal with high impact bass styles, and they often sound shrill and hiss a lot. This one doesn't. It crosses over at 6 KHz, thanks to having upper mids speakers doing that part of the spectrum.

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Originally posted by Edendude:

Forceman?!

 

Question...

 

I'd be interested to hear your opinions on the real world differences that you have found between the Eden 410XLT and the 410XST. Specifically in live gigging situations.

 

Do tell?

Hello Edendude!

 

Two major differences IMO:

1. 410XST has an even tighter sound than the XLT (due to porting differences)

2. 410XST handles more RMS power so has IMO more headroom.

 

HTH

Steve Force,

Durham, North Carolina

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Wow! I don't know how well Andy Lewis is doing, but he is certainly well represented online.

 

I don't have any pictures of my rig. I have 3 LB-2s.

 

One is the LB-2sw, a GREAT subwoofer. It has a black grill with the silver trim. I bought it about 5 or 6 years ago. I let a friend of mine borrow it for about 4 months and it only got him in trouble. Too much low end. I was standing out side of one place he was playing and all you could hear was the throb of bass and the crack of the snare drum. It was incredible. Unfortunately the singer and guitarist (what nerve) were ready to shoot him. Undaunted, he recently purchased two LB-2s. He can (and has) use his amp as a band P.A. Has anyone else heard vocals through an LB-2? Stunning.

 

I recently retired my first LB-2 that I purchased based just on the Bass Player Magazine review. It has the silver grill and the silver trim. It has served me well. It comes out of retirement now when I have a bad double and I have to set up 2 different rigs to save time.

 

The new LB-2 looks just like the rest of yours. The new tweeters he started using make a huge difference in the sound. I have been getting some beautiful tone out of this cabinet. Perfect.

 

Now if only it were smaller... :D

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Thanks...

 

The 210XST and the 410XST sound huge in the music store. I was wondering if it was all just an illusion. Very hard to judge a cab in the store, or even at home, I find.

 

The new 210XST seems to have MUCH more low end than my old Eden D210T cab, and it sounds tighter, as you describe. And the power handling has me seriously considering the 210XST as my next purchase. I'm even thinking about getting two of them, instead of the 410XST, which I also really like. I'm thinking that a pair of 210XSTs would give me tons of versatility.

 

I think I'll ask the guy who is the local Eden

dealer if I can 'gig test' one of them, before I buy.

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I hate (love) these threads. But it's very hard on me...makes me wish I had a need for a big rig again, although I don't miss the hauling.

 

I won't even post my tiny little rig. I'm changing it around again (surprise) this week anyway. The PodXT will (hopefully) replace the Boss TU-2 pedal, the PreSonus BlueMax Compressor and the SansAmp BDDI.

 

I'm staying with the SWR Bass 350(if the Pod does its job I'll go to a power amp) and the Bergantino HT112 for now. I'm sure there are other cabs that would serve the modeled output better, but that's all I can do at the moment.

 

If you want to see the stuff, you can lookat the pics on my site listed below.

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O.K. I'll play. The big one is my main rig. What looks like junk..well..is. But its completely effective junk. Sears Twin 12,GK800rb (the old standby),Ampeg 410,Alembic/QSC/810e,Ampeg SVT 200t,Ampeg 4x10 hlf. THe only thing missing is my Bergantino HT212 which is being rented.

 

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I'd like to try the ACMEs. I feel a little stupid when we play a new place that turns out to be a tiny shack. The staff gets scared sometimes. I get teased alot by my band and guys I know. Not that I'm blasting it or anything,but.... I just keep reminding myself. "I love the tone","I love the tone", "I love the tone". Its nice for the outdoor gigs too.

 

I use the Bergie sometimes,but it just doesn't compare.

There is something to be said about having eight ten inch speakers behind you. Its nice for low volumes especially. Yer pushing all that air. Its not as bad as it looks to move either. Unless there are a ton of stairs,but thats not often.

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Ironically, my "tiny shack" rig takes up nearly as much footprint as my big "impeccable PA" rig. Almost any rig does, actually. But occasionally the Carvin 210 (kicks ass but only a two-way) works out better because it can be put on top of something that's just not going to be moved out of the way. Like a keno machine.

 

Then, it's where do I put my power amp - way up THERE? - that's kinda wobbly... Fortunately we're only talking 14 pounds plus SKB, but still... gotta love these places that tout themselves as live music venues, these little holes in the wall ; }

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http://5centmary.com/Aggy_Epi_Swr_Wal.jpg

 

Aguilar DB750 > Epifani 4-10ul > SWR Goliath Sr. > Wal MachII Custom.

 

95% of the time I use just the Aggy/Epi combination .....

 

...sometimes I do need to get jiggy though....

 

http://5centmary.com/PJR_Turtle_7_29.JPG

 

:)

 

PJR

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Originally posted by :

POOR MAN's ACCUGROOVE

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That is crazy :eek:
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Originally posted by SteveC:

I hate (love) these threads. But it's very hard on me...makes me wish I had a need for a big rig again, although I don't miss the hauling.

 

I won't even post my tiny little rig. I'm changing it around again (surprise) this week anyway. The PodXT will (hopefully) replace the Boss TU-2 pedal, the PreSonus BlueMax Compressor and the SansAmp BDDI.

 

I'm staying with the SWR Bass 350(if the Pod does its job I'll go to a power amp) and the Bergantino HT112 for now. I'm sure there are other cabs that would serve the modeled output better, but that's all I can do at the moment.

 

If you want to see the stuff, you can lookat the pics on my site listed below.

We are coming into a little money, so I've had the G.A.S.. But last night playing through my SWR 350, Goliath Jr. III, and Avatar 210, I realized I had what I needed, and more importantly, what I wanted (the SWR stuff at least, the Avatar is good at cutting through loud guitars).

Maybe I'll get a DI.

"Start listening to music!".

-Jeremy C

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Well, lessee....

 

Don't have no big rig, don't even have pics.

 

I do have one of these: http://www.littlemountainmusic.com/Images/GK-MB150E112.jpg

 

And http://www.guitarhangar.com/cool/images/ede210.JPG one of these.

 

And one of these: http://www.megabass.it/doc/images/amp-basses.jpg

 

At least, my picture is big!!!!

 

Plus 2 uprights and 6 electrics.

"Let's raise the level of this conversation" -- Jeremy Cohen, in the Picasso Thread.

 

Still spendin' that political capital far faster than I can earn it...stretched way out on a limb here and looking for a better interest rate.

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