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Before I could even get my second Low B2 I think I blew one of the woofers :( . Everything seemed fine at practice. I had to turn up my amp more than usual since I was using the only one Low B2. Then when we finished a song I heard a rattle from the cab as if something was loose inside. So, I get it home and pull out the left woofer and tap the cone and it sounds like loose spring inside of the woofer. This just sucks! :mad:
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Maury,

 

How much power are you sending to your Acmes? I was using about 1000 watts from my DPC1400X. I was playing with one distorted guitar and pretty loud drummer but, nothing deafening. I had it turned up so I could be heard but, maybe I'm asking to much from a B2. I'm used to using an Avatar 210 and 115.

 

Wade

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Line 6 Flextone head with a Marshall 4 x 12 cabinet. I did end up cutting the bass and boosting the mids and everything seemed of course until I heard it rattle. I sent Andy an email last night describing what happened but, maybe I should throw a call into him on this one.
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Andy emailed me and didn't question the problem. He just said that sounds like one got past him and that he will send me a new woofer with the other cabinet I ordered and to send the bad one back. :D

 

So, do you think I'm asking to much of that B2 to compete against a half stack. Because, in the other band I play in there is a second half stack to compete with as well.

 

I was hoping the one B2 would be enough for practice. That way I have one at home and one where we practice.

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Honestly, your guitarist shouldn't be playing through a half-stack for rehearsal.

 

If he insists on playing at volumes through a 4x12" cabinet, there is no 2x10" cabinet that will be able to compete.

 

Introduce your guitarist to the wonderful world of 1x12" combos. I have one, and I love it. Whenever I have to jam on guitar, I fall in love with the fact that I can do a one trip load in with absolutely no hassle (including a pedal board)!

 

Turn down the volume, a single Low B2 should be enough for most club gigs as long as you're bandmates are playing fair!

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Last two gigs I played the guitarist had a 15 watt 110 combo and an emulator. It sounded like we were rippin'. I used my Carvin 210 and hardly had to push it. Shweeeeet! No floor monitors needed (drummer didn't sing); I didn't have to run the mains very hard and pointed them inward enough to cover all monitoring needs. We got the people off bigtime. As it should be.
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Originally posted by getz76:

If he insists on playing at volumes through a 4x12" cabinet, there is no 2x10" cabinet that will be able to compete.

Amen to that. But damn, he's using a Flextone...it's a modeling amp, so it should sound pretty much the same at all volumes. You should tell him to buy a couple low B2's and use the cabinet simulation. :D

"For instance" is not proof.

 

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Originally posted by getz76:

Honestly, your guitarist shouldn't be playing through a half-stack for rehearsal...

 

Introduce your guitarist to the wonderful world of 1x12" combos...

 

Turn down the volume, a single Low B2 should be enough for most club gigs as long as you're bandmates are playing fair!

Blowing a bass speaker is usually a sign someone else is playing too loud for you to be heard on stage. At a rehearsal? News to me.

 

Your guitarist could put the combo on a bar stool or chair, or buy a tilt-stand to angle the speaker towards his ears. Assuming he's your typical guitarist, everyone else will be able to hear him well enough with the combo.

 

I have a Marshall 50-watt tube combo with a Celestion 12" from the early days. Never had a problem with not being heard in small clubs with that, or getting my sound for that matter.

 

If he doesn't "get it", your next guitarist will.

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I agree about the volume. I play in a band with a drummer, percussionist, keys, 2 guitars, and sax/harp. One of the guitarists has a Fender Princeton 65W, and doesn't push it too hard. Our biggest volume problem is that the drummer hits on the louder side, so he becomes our basis for setting levels. In rehearsal, he's usually louder than everything else (due to the room as much as anything else), and as long as we can hear each other that's fine.

 

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I have used just an Avatar B210 at practice before with no problems. I did have it sitting on top of the B115 which was not plugged in. The only reason I went back to using the B115 with the B210 was that the low end was lacking with the B210 by itself.

 

Wade

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If you want a cheap 210 that cuts well when needed but also has some depth and a good tweeter crossover try the Carvin. It just tromps the daylights out of the Avatar. I don't understand why Avatar doesn't choose a better ten; Eminence makes quite a few.
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Originally posted by   :

If you want a cheap 210 that cuts well when needed but also has some depth and a good tweeter crossover try the Carvin. It just tromps the daylights out of the Avatar. I don't understand why Avatar doesn't choose a better ten; Eminence makes quite a few.

I think I'll give the Acme another try since it seems the woofer was defective. But, I will keep that Carvin in mind.
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Ah, yeah, wouldn't walk away from an Acme. I'd actually buy a second one to augment the first one, maybe run in stereo sometimes and look for guitarists who can sound HUGE even when using 15-30 watts ; }

 

Actually I've also considered buying a pair of Acme 110 cabs and amonmg other things using them as playback monitors. I really don't want or need much ever, but every time I look at Accgroove, Schroeder, Acme, Flie, Eauphonic Audio, I must admit I think a little of those who do ; }

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Originally posted by getz76:

Wade,

 

Bring the cabinet off the ground will help immensely with your ability to hear it.

 

Tilting up would help also.

 

Maury

Maury,

 

I think that was my biggest problem now that I think about it. When I was using the Avatar B210 by itself it was on top of the B115. I think I will borrow my guitar players amp stand that he used to use when he owned a combo. When I was using the B2 at practice I had it vertical on the floor so, my ankles heard everything fine.

 

If at all possible I want to keep the second B2 at home and stack them vertically when we play out.

 

The two guitar players in my band don't play all that loud sometimes the one has volume issues but, not a lot. They could probably get by with 2 x 12 cabs at practice and when we play out.

 

Wade

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I don't understand why Avatar doesn't choose a better ten; Eminence makes quite a few.

Perhaps a question you should ask Dave himself.

 

My guess is that the cabinets would be more expensive. But I guess it wouldn't be too hard to offer options on cabinets. But then think about how much it would cost to stock all the speakers he has, then times two of a better speaker. Thats a lot of money for a small speaker cabinet maker.

 

IMO, I think they sound fine, although I do like like the sound of that Ampeg 6x10 that I was playing through last year in NYC Guitar Center. :D

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Hey Mr Phil,

 

What I'm saying is just pick one that's slightly more suitable. They don't cost that much more (unless he bought a crapload that were being pushed out for what I think are obvious reasons). Pass that small extra cost on to the customer (You can easily see what the end user diffs are at a variety of Eminence online dealers). If not right at the start, the customer will come to appreciate the added value - like being able to play an E or below without farting, and a smoother response curve (well, save for that NON-crossover).

 

That Bass Player review was a travesty. Place the same cab in the 210 shootout of a few years ago and the best an honest review would have been able to say is "It's cheap and it doesn't suck as bad as it could have." Avatar has done much better with its other bass cabs - yet they are cheap too.

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Yea I guess you're right.

 

I could do without a crossover :P

 

I get a good sound all the way down to a low B though. Well, Actually more like C - C# :D

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