Stephen Fortner Posted July 1, 2002 Share Posted July 1, 2002 The news is [url=http://www.emagic.de/english/news/index.html]here[/url] on Emagic's web site. The bit about Emagic stuff for Windows being discontinued is interesting. Now Emagic will join MOTU as a Mac-only company. I wonder how this bodes for Digital Performer? Anyone know much else about this? Stephen Fortner Principal, Fortner Media Former Editor in Chief, Keyboard Magazine Digital Piano Consultant, Piano Buyer Magazine Industry affiliations: Antares, Arturia, Giles Communications, MS Media, Polyverse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soapbox Posted July 1, 2002 Share Posted July 1, 2002 Wow! [i][b]That[/b][/i] came out of left field! Thanks for the heads up [b]Steve[/b]. I wonder what the fallout of this will be for other DAW manufacturers! I feel sorry for Emagic's Windows users: "Emagic's Windows-based product offerings will be discontinued [i]on September 30, 2002.[/i]" I wonder how many Logic PC users will switch to another PC DAW and how many will stay with Logic, but switch to a Mac. Enthusiasm powers the world. Craig Anderton's Archiving Article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Fortner Posted July 1, 2002 Author Share Posted July 1, 2002 Anyone want to start a betting pool on whether [url=http://www.apple.com/creative/musicaudio/motu/]this bit of Apple\'s web site[/url] whic hails MOTU as "the ultimate desktop recording system" will go 404 soon? Stephen Fortner Principal, Fortner Media Former Editor in Chief, Keyboard Magazine Digital Piano Consultant, Piano Buyer Magazine Industry affiliations: Antares, Arturia, Giles Communications, MS Media, Polyverse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soapbox Posted July 1, 2002 Share Posted July 1, 2002 [b]Steve[/b], LOL! I recall rumors awhile back that Apple was going to buy Avid (and therefore Digidesign). I wonder how it turned out that they bought Emagic instead. Enthusiasm powers the world. Craig Anderton's Archiving Article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alndln Posted July 1, 2002 Share Posted July 1, 2002 Where does that leave Samplitude? "A Robot Playing Trumpet Blows" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobro Posted July 1, 2002 Share Posted July 1, 2002 [quote]Originally posted by soapbox: [b][b]Steve[/b], LOL! I recall rumors awhile back that Apple was going to buy Avid (and therefore Digidesign). I wonder how it turned out that they bought Emagic instead.[/b][/quote]Wise investors. As a Samplitude owner and fanatic, I'm curious about Samplitude, too- it's the best audio DAW program by far IMO, and the hybrid of the superb all-rounder Logic with Samplitude, if it doesn't get screwed with compromise, is going to be the highest standard in the world, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobro Posted July 1, 2002 Share Posted July 1, 2002 [quote]Originally posted by SteveFortner: [b]The news is [url=http://www.emagic.de/english/news/index.html]here[/url] on Emagic's web site. The bit about Emagic stuff for Windows being discontinued is interesting. Now Emagic will join MOTU as a Mac-only company. I wonder how this bodes for Digital Performer? Anyone know much else about this?[/b][/quote]Whoops- now I'm REALLY curious what will happen to Samplitude. Ported to Mac? Whooooooooooooooooooooo-hooooooooooooooooooo! The only reason my DAW is a gawdammm Windoze machine is because Samplitude has always been Windows-only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alndln Posted July 1, 2002 Share Posted July 1, 2002 Emagic:"Emagic's Windows-based product offerings will be discontinued on September 30, 2002".Looks like the Emagic/Samplitude project is being scrapped if you ask me.Also where does this leave Logic Windows users?All theyr'e doing here is cutting all their Windows sales,I'd hate to have stock in this company right now,yikes! "A Robot Playing Trumpet Blows" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobro Posted July 1, 2002 Share Posted July 1, 2002 [quote]Originally posted by Alndln: [b]Emagic:"Emagic's Windows-based product offerings will be discontinued on September 30, 2002".Looks like the Emagic/Samplitude project is being scrapped if you ask me.Also where does this leave Logic Windows users?All theyr'e doing here is cutting all their Windows sales,I'd hate to have stock in this company right now,yikes![/b][/quote]What the fuuuu...... Edit- the news is up all over, but still can't access the Samplitude newsgroup. Can anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobro Posted July 1, 2002 Share Posted July 1, 2002 Samplitude newsgroup server down. If it turns out that Emagic bought Samplitude, promising to develpe and promote it but knowing full well in secret that they'd be bought out by a company that would kill it, I will be one furious mutha. Hope it's not true. -Bobro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip OKeefe Posted July 1, 2002 Share Posted July 1, 2002 :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: 14 year Emagic user.... First on C-Lab Notator (Atari, circa 1988) then Notator Logic (Atari), and finally Logic Platinum. Bought every upgrade for the past 14 years... Got Notator on my 26th birthday, and they decide to discontinue Logic PC on my 40th (9/30/02). Just friggin' GREAT! :mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splatt Posted July 1, 2002 Share Posted July 1, 2002 I`ve sent E-bastard an e-mail complaining. The thing is, it`s all a Jobs/Gates thing innit, we just get caught in the crossfire. I wonder if the coding people at E-ma sorry bastard who do the PC work have thought about setting up a company? Hope springs eternal. Splatt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spokenward Posted July 1, 2002 Share Posted July 1, 2002 [quote]Originally posted by soapbox: [b][b]Steve[/b], LOL! I recall rumors awhile back that Apple was going to buy Avid (and therefore Digidesign). I wonder how it turned out that they bought Emagic instead.[/b][/quote]I think that Avid would have cost Apple real money. Buying a music software shop would be more like a rounding error to a company Apple's size. Apple strengthens their claims to "e-" based alphabet soup names with the acquisition. They disrupt Windows (probably moreso in Europe). I just can't see any benefit for users. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offramp Posted July 1, 2002 Share Posted July 1, 2002 "will go 404 soon" Witness the birth of a new vernacular, ladies and gennemums. I like this. "YOU'RE GOIN' 404, JACK!!" "Honey, the car just went 404!" "What's with this 404 report card, son?" "Dammit, my wallet is 404..." "Y'know, Maggie...I think...I think it's time we see the relationship as 404...I like you and all, but..." I've upped my standards; now, up yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod S Posted July 1, 2002 Share Posted July 1, 2002 I don't use Logic, but I do use SoundDiver - which will probably go the same way. Shit, should have stuck with soundquest. :mad: Was planning to make a transition to logic sometime towards the end of the year. I'm glad I didn't. Korg Kronos X73 / ARP Odyssey / Motif ES Rack / Roland D-05 / JP-08 / SE-05 / Jupiter Xm / Novation Mininova / NL2X / Waldorf Pulse II MBP-LOGIC American Deluxe P-Bass, Yamaha RBX760 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splatt Posted July 1, 2002 Share Posted July 1, 2002 404- yeah I liked it too! Just wasn`t sure that I`d `got it` so I kept schtumm. In fact, I`m nicking it. 404 blues here we come! ;) Splatt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mars_dup1 Posted July 1, 2002 Share Posted July 1, 2002 [quote]Originally posted by offramp@earthlink.net: [b]"will go 404 soon" Witness the birth of a new vernacular, ladies and gennemums. I like this. "YOU'RE GOIN' 404, JACK!!" "Honey, the car just went 404!" "What's with this 404 report card, son?" "Dammit, my wallet is 404..." "Y'know, Maggie...I think...I think it's time we see the relationship as 404...I like you and all, but..."[/b][/quote]Where have you been? It's been in common usage like this for quite sometime. Oh, I got it. Maybe you were 404 yourself! Back to Topic: I wonder if the decision to drop Windows support has anything to do with the rampant piracy on that platform? There are readily-available cracks of Logic 5 and the supposedly 'uncrackable' XSkey for the PC, but none for the Mac (yet). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chief Posted July 1, 2002 Share Posted July 1, 2002 Pretty shrewd on Apple's part. It sucks for PC users, but in Apple's digital hub concept - audio is still really lacking. Perhaps you'll start seeing bundled apps like iMusic -Itracks or (I-aye-eye)- a cocoa or carbonized app that comes free with the system based on a logic platform. Think about this for a moment also. Piracy causes HUGE losses for software companies. Most people using computers professionslly by systems around the available apps for that system. No one pirates free software. A bundled program like Logic WOULD sell a LOT of macs. I think that you're going to see a lot more of this in the future. Computer manufacturers buying out software companies to bundle apps with their machines. Apparantly people buy hardware and steal software. They download music but buy packaging. Maybe you'll start seeing price cuts from the Apple store. And if nothing else - it will force a OSX version - and that will finally allow me to walk away from 9.2. Now about transferring all those OS 9 VSTs for X... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted July 1, 2002 Share Posted July 1, 2002 Man, I'm SO glad I'm not an Emagic user. But the news of them discontinuing their PC line makes my blood boil. Apple: what a bunch of commies :mad: . Like it will hurt them to keep their PC line in production. Now I really hope Apple dies a slow and painfull death. And people think that Microsoft is evil :rolleyes: ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderton Posted July 1, 2002 Share Posted July 1, 2002 What a shock. Well Windows fans...I think the big question here is what's happening with Samplitude. I suspect what will happen is that the core Samplitude techology will re-appear in various forms. For example, the mastering capabilities might be built into Logic, which would also become more of a sample editor. Interesting too that Mackie has designed a hardware interface for MOTU and Emagic, Mac-only companies. I think discontinuing Logic PC on such short notice is bound to upset the one-third of their customer base that uses Windows. That's not a lot of time to switch. I think some of those people will switch to Mac, Logic users are very loyal. But a lot will just look at Cubase SX and go "yeah, that's the ticket." BTW I've been running Cubase SX the past few days and have to say it is really excellent. Puts me in a real quandry with Sonar. Sonar is better for beats/dance stuff, what with the on the fly time-stretching, Cyclone, etc. But for straight-ahead recording, Cubase rocks. The new code seems really tight, you can stack up a bunch o' plug-ins, VST instruments, and digital audio tracks without a cough. I haven't tried VST system link yet, but I think with a powerful enough computer, you probably don't need it. I expect that the Windows market will gravitate toward Cubase for some applications and Sonar for others, with Sonic Foundry Vegas for those who also do audio for video. What a curve ball, eh? Well, one less program to learn : ) -- that is, at least until I get a new Mac. Wonder what MOTU thinks. It might be hard for a Mac-only company to compete with audio software made by Apple. Seems there might be the same situation as Microsoft apps that run on Windows -- they'll know all the tricks before their competitors do. Oh well, MOTU does a big business in hardware, that should keep 'em going even if the software sales drop a bit. Craig Anderton Educational site: http://www.craiganderton.org Music: http://www.youtube.com/thecraiganderton Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/craig_anderton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFOracle Posted July 1, 2002 Share Posted July 1, 2002 Who wins from this? Cakewalk and Steinberg. Steinberg and Cakewalk will no doubt jump at the one time opportunity to expand their user base and offer compelling competitive upgrade offers to Logic users. With clearance prices on Logic Platinum for Windows sure to be coming, this may be the cheapest way to get into Cubase SX or Sonar 2.0 XL. Our country is not the only thing to which we owe our allegiance. It is also owed to justice and to humanity. Patriotism consists not in waving the flag, but in striving that our country shall be righteous as well as strong: James Bryce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted July 1, 2002 Share Posted July 1, 2002 Re: Samplitude....word has it that the program will go on. The code still belongs to Titus/Tilman, who are likely to find another distribution channel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbmusic Posted July 1, 2002 Share Posted July 1, 2002 At first I was pissed, now I say, What ever, 5.1.3 work perfect in my system and everything is VERY stable, And I am making money with it. It took A LONG time for 5.0 to come out, so I figure, When 6.0 comes out, I will upgrade my hard ware then to, to either a MAC or to the much rumoured MAC/AMD setup or what every there is in 2 years from now. So Move to mac also means say bye-bye to my editor program Cooledit & T-racks(good luck getting them to kick me a code to move the program over), I do not thinks so... :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: Tim Dolbear De La Bear Music Group Eclectica Recordings Eclectica Studios www.eclecticarecordings.com www.mixposse.com "That singer's pitch was a knuckle ball!!!" TD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP3 Posted July 1, 2002 Share Posted July 1, 2002 As an emagic endorsee (probably not much longer) I'm furious at apple and emagic for this exclusionary practice. :mad: :mad: Hell, even microsoft makes cross-platform programs (office, for one). For apple to piss off over a third of emagics user base as a start is sheer stupidity. Those who prefer macs, fine. I recently (last week) spent $2600 on a new Carillon PC and it's great. I fully expect my computer to be worth 20% of what I paid for it in a few years, but I did not expect that my primary program would bail on me and all the PC users of Logic (literally dozens) that I personally brought to the emagic fold. I, like Phil, have been using Logic and it's previous programs for 15 years, but I will not be strong armed into buying a mac. I was in fact considering a mac for the video side of the work I do, however I will [b]never[/b] buy an apple product ever after this shit. Emagic may have found that programming logic for OS X may make it difficult to port for PC at the same time. If that's the case, just say so. It would be much more understandable that emagic wants to make the best software that they can. Unfortunately, it seems that this is just apple being insecure about the PC competetion. :mad: :mad: :mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-_dup1 Posted July 1, 2002 Share Posted July 1, 2002 I posted this on another Emagic thread, but it seems more appropriate here... ------------------------------------- I was evaluating Logic for the PC a few weeks ago (actually, I was playing around with Logic Delta, seeing if I wanted to buy the real thing) but strangely enough I ended up liking Pro Tools Free more for what I do. Now that there's not gonna be any more PC versions of Logic, it's a safe bet I'll never purchase it. I used to be a die-hard Mac fan until Apple killed all the Mac clones... After that, I vowed never to buy Apple again. Plus, now that I know how to configure PCs, I prefer the flexibility of that platform and will [i]never[/i] go back to a Mac (unless they release OS X for Intel hardware). My sympathies go out to all the PC Logic users... This stinks. Oh well, I guess Apple doesn't want your money... :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gus Lozada Posted July 1, 2002 Share Posted July 1, 2002 It's funny to recall that a guy -I will not mention his name- from EMAGIC gave us a private demonstration during the Winter NAMM of Logic 5.0 on a LapTop PC and he was very excited while saying thigs like: "Logic 5.0 will run better on a PC... it was designed for PC" and so on. On the other hand, I'm a PC user and after that demonstration I had been thinking seriously about getting Logic. ... just forget about it ! I'm not planning to get a Mac just because a conflict of interests between software developers. Most of all, after they were saying their program was developed for PC, then move to only MAC... ---------------------------------- Steve, excellent news. Thanks for sharing... Músico, Productor, Ingeniero, Tecnólogo Senior Product Manager, América Latina y Caribe - PreSonus at Fender Musical Instruments Company Instagram: guslozada Facebook: Lozada - Música y Tecnología www.guslozada.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisDude Posted July 1, 2002 Share Posted July 1, 2002 Phil O'Keefe said: [quote] 14 year Emagic user.... First on C-Lab Notator (Atari, circa 1988) then Notator Logic (Atari), and finally Logic Platinum. Bought every upgrade for the past 14 years... Got Notator on my 26th birthday, and they decide to discontinue Logic PC on my 40th (9/30/02). Just friggin' GREAT! [/quote]If there's any justice in the world, they'll probably offer some kind of "competitive upgrade/switch" price for a new system. Hope you're not [b]too[/b] deep with pc hardware. I kinda saw this coming. Apple's been promoting Logic on it's site for a while now. Aaaahhh... synergy. Digidesign has also been cross promoting Logic (surprising) lately. Can Digidesign be next? Any inside traders know anything? If it does happen, PT's audio and Logic's midi will probably be converged into one "Super Audio App" (after, of course, many upgrades... gotta milk it, you know). :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmix Posted July 1, 2002 Share Posted July 1, 2002 [quote]Originally posted by TinderArts: [b]As an emagic endorsee (probably not much longer) I'm furious at apple and emagic for this exclusionary practice. :mad: :mad: Hell, even microsoft makes cross-platform programs (office, for one). For apple to piss off over a third of emagics user base as a start is sheer stupidity. Those who prefer macs, fine. I recently (last week) spent $2600 on a new Carillon PC and it's great. I fully expect my computer to be worth 20% of what I paid for it in a few years, but I did not expect that my primary program would bail on me and all the PC users of Logic (literally dozens) that I personally brought to the emagic fold. I, like Phil, have been using Logic and it's previous programs for 15 years, but I will not be strong armed into buying a mac. I was in fact considering a mac for the video side of the work I do, however I will [b]never[/b] buy an apple product ever after this shit. Emagic may have found that programming logic for OS X may make it difficult to port for PC at the same time. If that's the case, just say so. It would be much more understandable that emagic wants to make the best software that they can. Unfortunately, it seems that this is just apple being insecure about the PC competetion. :mad: :mad: :mad: [/b][/quote]Before you go pissing all over Apple, have you considered that Emagic may have actually been in trouble, as Opcode was when Gibson bought them ? Perhaps the company that you so despise may have actually saved your most cherished app. I have no idea what the inner workings of the deal are, but I'm more than happy to wait until the dust settles before passing judgement. Rob Rob Hoffman http://www.robmixmusic.com Los Angeles, CA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drew Posted July 1, 2002 Share Posted July 1, 2002 Yea, Tinderarts, be careful or you might blow a gasket!! :) There may be circumstances we know nothing of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted July 1, 2002 Share Posted July 1, 2002 No, and frankly I don't think it matters what financial state Emagic is in. Just because Apple purchased Emagic doesn't mean that they need to kill half of the product line just because it runs on Windows. If Emagic can't afford to work on both platforms then all they have to do is be honest about it and tell PC users that Windows products are going to be put the back burner until they can turn things around. This is just a big fuck you from Apple to the Windows world, that's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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