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I'm not going to spend a half hour explaining what pedals do when there is a perfectly good website explaining them.

 

This is what I use:

http://members.aol.com/jeremyzone1/pdlboard.jpg

 

Buy an EBS Octabass, a Boss Bass Chorus and an EBS BassIQ. That'll get you started.

 

Then practice your typing.

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I'd like to expand on what Jeremy said-- not like I'm qualified or anything but I think I know what he means, and here is why, for me that is.

 

The idea that you want a pedal, but don't know which one or even what it will do indicates you don't need a pedal and are probably would call yourself a beginner.

 

Pedals on bass or guitar or anything I guess are a sure way to lose information from your fingers on the way to the amp. Another way to say that is, if you technique is poor and your not making good sounding notes the pedal will obscure it, I don't care if it is an evelop filter like the Moogerfooger Low Pass (the greatest pedal ever invented for bass in my humble opinion, not that you need one) or more obviously misplaced effects like delay, reverb etc.

 

I played guitar with a bassist last night, the guy went bass into amp and nothing in between. He thumped out straight 8th notes on the roots of chord progressions the entire night and you know what it rocked. Why? Because the guy was as rock solid as possible. He was repsonsive with changes in dynamics, bringing it down a notch or raising it up as the music flowed and really rock solid.

 

When you're rock solid and you notes sound even and consistient and tone is great because your fingers are connecting with the fingeboard the right way and you can be on the beat or slightly "ahead" in that cool way it can be done, or slightly behind if it calls for it, and if you can swing or play funk and bossa novas and latin lines and all the cool things that can be used in almost any musical situation on bass, then maybe look at pedals to add something you won't get else where. To me the only thing that really is great on bass that only really comes in an effect is the envelop filter like the moogerfooger low pass. But no one cares about the bass solo or the effects or the flashy chop of the bassist if the bassist isn't rock solid at holding down a great groove with a great tone.

 

Flame away if in denial but play rock solid when that happens then you'll now what pedal you want before even asking because you'll have enough experience to see and hear what the other guys are doing in the clubs and studios that you'll be playing in.

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"you can be on the beat or slightly "ahead" in that cool way it can be done, or slightly behind if it calls for it"

 

I admit to being a beginner.... or at least, to having the knowledge of a beginner.... and I must admit I really don't understand how that playing in front of or behind the beat thing is done.... how do you not screw it up and get the timing out of whack (even slightly) if you're not locking in with the drummer?

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Hey Mighty_Metal_Warlord, the classic example of it is the way Dexter Gordon plays behind the beat. If you check out some of his stuff, and especially compare it other guys playing the same stuff you quickly see that Dexter is doing something really off the wall with respect to timing and how he is relating to the beat. He plays behind it.

 

That is not the same thing as late or missing the groove, it actually a pretty good sense of the groove to do it right. There are lot of times where you can't do it, but when you can it give a loose or relaxed feel to what is going on.

 

On the other side, "ahead" of the beat feels like pushing the tempo without actually pushing it. I the best example I can think of is a local guy that plays down by the bridge-- that is to say he plucks the strings there-- and that sort of playing losses some bottom end. What he does to compensate when he feels it needs it is play slightly ahead.

 

It is a feel thing, and too much either of these gets old. Also basically everyone on stage almost has to be cool with it or it flops. I saw a band where the guitarist was way behind the beat and he sounded good but he didn't consider that the drummer and bassist were locked down right on top of the beat like click track precise and as a unit it sounded band because the guitarist wasn't grooving with the bassit and drummer who should have relaxed and responded to the guitarist (I'm pinning it on the rythmn section because they should be smarter than to let some self-indulgent guitarist screw up a show like that).

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get a pedal E and pedal A and an Pedal B for an alternative sound. (for you complete set will be achived when you also have the pedal F# and pedal G) They would do better than anything for your great rockin' band.

 

or just suffer a search. (both on google (etc) and this forum)

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Posted by MightyMetalWarlord:

"you can be on the beat or slightly "ahead" in that cool way it can be done, or slightly behind if it calls for it"

 

I admit to being a beginner.... or at least, to having the knowledge of a beginner.... and I must admit I really don't understand how that playing in front of or behind the beat thing is done.... how do you not screw it up and get the timing out of whack (even slightly) if you're not locking in with the drummer?

This is really a question for another thread.

 

Posted by Peaveykid:

hey....i want to get a pedal for my bass but im not to sure what to get.....any suggestions would be lovley.....plz also tell me what they do if its no obvious......THANKS
If you don't know what pedals do, why in the hell would you want one? To be as cool as your guitarist? How long could you possibly have been playing if you don't know what effect pedals do?

 

Forget effects for now. Figure out what you want after you learn about what you can get with your fingers and your amp.

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A few weeks ago I was able to travel to a big music store, in which I had a gift certificate. I wanted to get something for myself. Something to add to my bass. I tried out several pedals and must have messed with them for about an hour.

 

My conclusion. I didn't need em. The bass provides the low end in a band. And the type of band I am playing in right now, doesn't call for the bass to play effects. Or at least until I am a seasoned bassists, I didn't believe I needed them. $60-$100 for a pedal didn't seem worth it, right now.

 

The way I look at it. There is just so much to learn and get good at, then to worry about making minor(or some, goofy) changes in my sound.

 

I ended up just buying quality cords, some new strings, a new book, and a metronome. And I left the shop feeling secure in my decision.

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