l Bad Religion l Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 www.earmaster.com Its a free 21 day trial, and it seems GREAT IMO. I just wanted to post this so that anyone can do a search with "ear training" and find this. I think EVERYONE should give it a try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gord -B Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 Actually pretty good, get it! Derek Smalls: It's like fire and ice, basically. I feel my role in the band is to be somewhere in the middle of that, kind of like lukewarm water. http://www.myspace.com/gordonbache Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenLoy Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 Your record collection is the best ear training method out there...and you already paid for it. Put those records on and use 'em. For god's sake, when I started learning from records I didn't even have an amp. I had to listen to the record, then hit pause and find the notes on my bass, then hit play again. The pause button is your friend, At_Odds. Every other product and trick out there is a load of bull if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gord -B Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 Originally posted by BenLoy: Your record collection is the best ear training method out there...and you already paid for it. Put those records on and use 'em. For god's sake, when I started learning from records I didn't even have an amp. I had to listen to the record, then hit pause and find the notes on my bass, then hit play again. The pause button is your friend, At_Odds. Every other product and trick out there is a load of bull if you ask me.I'd have to disagree with that. I'm a record buying maniac but i still think that a concentrated session of recognising intervals and chords definately fixes them in your mind and then when you go to your record collection you can pick them out even clearer. Also this program practises your ability to read a wide range of rhythms and it familiarises you with notation. I always think that you the more you bring to the table the more you gain from your listening, listen to Miles Davis - Kind of Blue!! Derek Smalls: It's like fire and ice, basically. I feel my role in the band is to be somewhere in the middle of that, kind of like lukewarm water. http://www.myspace.com/gordonbache Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenLoy Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 I always think that you the more you bring to the table the more you gain from your listening, listen to Miles Davis - Kind of Blue!!I have. Many other Miles records too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gord -B Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 Originally posted by BenLoy: I always think that you the more you bring to the table the more you gain from your listening, listen to Miles Davis - Kind of Blue!!I have. Many other Miles records too. Don't worry Ben Loy I know that! I'm the one who didn't know who Ray Brown was remember I was just saying that you get something different from that record every time you listen to it. Derek Smalls: It's like fire and ice, basically. I feel my role in the band is to be somewhere in the middle of that, kind of like lukewarm water. http://www.myspace.com/gordonbache Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy c Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 The four years I spent getting a degree in music didn't hurt either. One of the requirements was two years of ear training. By the end, the final exams were:The teacher played a record (classical music) and the students had pencils and manuscript paper and had to write down what they just heard. And of course I still use that skill every day of the week, and ocasionally I learn a song by listening to the cd on the way to the gig. I have charted out entire albums while on a plane trip (with of course no instrument in my hand). And I wouldn't by any means say that I am the greatest at this.....if you take a class you will get to compare yourself with others and see how fast they learn. We had professors whose ears were good enought that if you tripped and fell into the piano walking into the classroom they could write down the noise that you made and have all the rhythms and pitches properly notated. And I have met a few people who can play something they hear after only hearing it once. Arion Salazar of Third Eye Blind has this talent (I taught him for a brief while). The rest of us work very hard. Many colleges, jr. colleges, and community colleges offer courses. They could be called ear training, ear training and sightsinging, basic musicianship, something like that. Free download of my cd!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 Originally posted by jeremyc: I have charted out entire albums while on a plane trip (with of course no instrument in my hand).This is an amazing skill to have. I wish I had the patience to get to this level of transposition. I watched the lead singer in that funk band I was in re-write the horn parts for Tower of Power's "Give Me The Proof" during rehearsal one night. He had manuscript paper and a pencil. He did this while he was singing the next 3-4 songs. Wrote out all 5 harmony bits and was dead-on when he handed it to the horn section to read down. I could not do that. Of course, this is a guy who has 2 degrees from Stanford. One in physics and one in music composition. Smart bastard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coyote Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 LOL! Originally posted by BenLoy: Every other product and trick out there is a load of bull if you ask me.As another poster noted, ear training classes are a great thing. You get familiar with intervals, chord qualities, and entire sets of changes (an interesting exercise - put on a jazz radio station and ID how many tunes contain "Rhythm" changes). For a working musician, it's an incredibly valuable part of your skillset as it enables you to play unknown tunes on the fly, and if you sing background you no longer need to work out the harmonies because you can just sing them automatically. A properly taught ear-training course, especially when combined with sight-singing, saves years of pause-button learning. I used to think I was Libertarian. Until I saw their platform; now I know I'm no more Libertarian than I am RepubliCrat or neoCON or Liberal or Socialist. This ain't no track meet; this is football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
music-man Posted January 31, 2004 Share Posted January 31, 2004 At_Odds : Go for it, if it seems good to you - the worst that can happen is that you'll drop a bit of dough and lose a little time in front of your computer. And also ... if it works for you, sure - try to learn by ear. Sure - listen to whatever over-worshipped jazz record the "cats" tell you that you MUST listen to. Sure - go to music school and spend four years getting training, if you can afford to do it. Most of all, though, just play - with as many people as you can. And try to stay enthusiastic and optimistic and curious, even if you get flak for asking innocent questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g. Posted January 31, 2004 Share Posted January 31, 2004 Don't worry about that particular Miles Davis album - it's simply the only one some of these guys have listened to, or can name. There are plenty of albums out there that will do ; } . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gord -B Posted January 31, 2004 Share Posted January 31, 2004 Ignore me Derek Smalls: It's like fire and ice, basically. I feel my role in the band is to be somewhere in the middle of that, kind of like lukewarm water. http://www.myspace.com/gordonbache Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Strat Posted January 31, 2004 Share Posted January 31, 2004 Originally posted by BenLoy: Your record collection is the best ear training method out there...and you already paid for it. Put those records on and use 'em. For god's sake, when I started learning from records I didn't even have an amp. I had to listen to the record, then hit pause and find the notes on my bass, then hit play again. The pause button is your friend, At_Odds. Every other product and trick out there is a load of bull if you ask me.I'm with BenLoy on this one. Learn to pick things out off a CD or record. The only problem is that all your friends will want you to transcribe stuff for them. BlueStrat a.k.a. "El Guapo" ...Better fuzz through science... http://geocities.com/teleman28056/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
passgroove Posted January 31, 2004 Share Posted January 31, 2004 www.good-ear.com is not a bad one for online trainingbut it seems to have some problems at the moment.Also www.cyberfretbass.com has some links for ear training. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bc_dup1 Posted January 31, 2004 Share Posted January 31, 2004 I spent many years learning parts for guitar and bass from records. It's only within the past couple of years that I've approached ear-training more systematically, learing to identify intervals and chords by name and working on musical notation. Personally I've found this a big help - I now identify harmonies more quickly, transcribe parts faster and am better at picking up what other musicians are playing. So, while I agree that copying records is essential, I think a more systematic approach to training your ear can be a big help. (A friend who plays sax carries manuscript paper around wherver he goes. If any good ideas come to mind he takes the paper out of his pocket and jots them down so he can try them out the next time he plays. No amount of listening to records will train you to do that, you have to work on the accuracy and speed of your dictation skills. If, like me, you are not the most naturally gifted, it takes a lot of work, but I think it is worth it). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nukebass Posted January 31, 2004 Share Posted January 31, 2004 In Java: http://www.ossmann.com/bigears/ This is the best I ever seen online. Some of my stuff: Impressions A New Beginning scythe! In The Name Of Bach Mach 7.9 J.S.Bach Prelude in G J.S.Bach Prelude in C Three Views Of A Secret Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Next Level Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 Originally posted by bc: I spent many years learning parts for guitar and bass from records. It's only within the past couple of years that I've approached ear-training more systematically, learing to identify intervals and chords by name and working on musical notation. Personally I've found this a big help - I now identify harmonies more quickly, transcribe parts faster and am better at picking up what other musicians are playing. So, while I agree that copying records is essential, I think a more systematic approach to training your ear can be a big help. (A friend who plays sax carries manuscript paper around wherver he goes. If any good ideas come to mind he takes the paper out of his pocket and jots them down so he can try them out the next time he plays. No amount of listening to records will train you to do that, you have to work on the accuracy and speed of your dictation skills. If, like me, you are not the most naturally gifted, it takes a lot of work, but I think it is worth it).I have a beginner's question. is it possible to be proficient at playing the bass (even on some professional level) with only knowing how to play be ear? I imagine that if one plays well enough, no one may question his ability to read music unless sheet music was being handed out. Right now I am mostly playing with cd's. I finally bought a video and book by Dale Titus. I added what I learned from the video and book to my "by ear" skills. I am already a better bassist. If for some reason I do not continue to pursue reading music, yet practice enough while playing by ear, could I become proficient enough to record music professionally? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gord -B Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 Maybe... but if music is going to be your profession, surely you should take the time to be able to read it proficiently. Sheet Music is an aid not an obstacle. Derek Smalls: It's like fire and ice, basically. I feel my role in the band is to be somewhere in the middle of that, kind of like lukewarm water. http://www.myspace.com/gordonbache Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mound Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 yeah, it's definitly possible if you happen to have the talent to pull it off.. just like it's possible for a person to be an eloquent speaker and not know how to read or write - but certainly knowing how to read and write, there are many illiterate folks whose secret is kept because speaking to them, you'd never pick up on it. Knowing how to read and write the language you are speaking in will help in the long run (speaking verbally or musically). If you approach music exactly like you approach any language, the answer is obvious. "You look hopefully for an idea and then you're humble when you find it and you wish your skills were better. To have even a half-baked touch of creativity is an honor." -- Ernie Stires, composer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davebrownbass Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 Originally posted by jeremyc: The four years I spent getting a degree in music didn't hurt either. One of the requirements was two years of ear training. By the end, the final exams were: The teacher played a record (classical music) and the students had pencils and manuscript paper and had to write down what they just heard. And of course I still use that skill every day of the week, and ocasionally I learn a song by listening to the cd on the way to the gig. I have charted out entire albums while on a plane trip (with of course no instrument in my hand) Many colleges, jr. colleges, and community colleges offer courses. They could be called ear training, ear training and sightsinging, basic musicianship, something like that.I'm with Jeremy, except for me it was the 13 years spent in college. I took that 2 years of sightreading in connection with 2 years of Music Theory. Combined, that was 5 hours of week for 4 semesters. And I took the same kind of test. I've never charted an album on a plane. I HAVE charted a song while driving (needed a reference A so I'd know what key it was) including the main bass riff, the form, the chord progression. It does take time to learn these things, and nothing is simple. On the ExCet test (the comprehensive, subject/content exam given to prospective Texas teachers) in secondary music, they played a chord played by 3 dissimiliar instruments, and asked "which instrument is out of tune?" Another question: They played a choir singing a chord, and I had to choose WHICH of 4 scores they were singing. A never ending battle, really. "Let's raise the level of this conversation" -- Jeremy Cohen, in the Picasso Thread. Still spendin' that political capital far faster than I can earn it...stretched way out on a limb here and looking for a better interest rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy c Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 My friend Norbert was doing a recording session for something complex and after he recorded his three overdubs in one take each, he said, "by the way did you know that the baritone part conflicts with the alto part in bar 117?" Everyone ran around like crazy looking at the charts and then they had him overdub the proper note (which was incorrectly written on the chart). Free download of my cd!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockwoodB Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 Aural Skills. The most difficult classes I've ever taken, but yet the most usefull. Also a great way to weed out the people who can't cut it. "Let your life be a counter friction to stop the machine." --Henry David Thoreau Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g. Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 Aural Skills {...} a great way to weed out the people who can't cut it.Out, damned gears with gnashed teeth! Begone damn cogs with uncognizance! Imperfections must not be tolerated in the presence of the Overman! "Let your life be a counter friction to stop the machine."Ooops! Spoke too soon! . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockwoodB Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 Originally posted by : Aural Skills {...} a great way to weed out the people who can't cut it.Out, damned gears with gnashed teeth! Begone damn cogs with uncognizance! Imperfections must not be tolerated in the presence of the Overman! "Let your life be a counter friction to stop the machine."Ooops! Spoke too soon! "Let your life be a counter friction to stop the machine." --Henry David Thoreau Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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