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I curious if anyone has any good resources, practices, exercises, warm-ups, etc. for building up Rocco type speed. I have been playing around with what is hip and I can pretty much get along with it, but my endurance with those constant sixteenths is not that great and by the middle of the song I am real flubbery.

 

So, what do you use to build up Rocco speed and precision?

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My bass teacher said that Jaco used to just use his first two fingers playing straight 16ths for hours continuously. just on open strings as an excersise to build up endurance and speed.
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I appreciate your answer to the question. However, I am aware of using metronomes to increase speed and fine-tune timing. What I am looking for are fingering exercises and warm-ups. I have run across some good challenging exercises, but I am interested to see what others may be using.

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I have been doing that too a little...I wish I could say I do for hours a day, but I can't. The thing that gets me is the direction change that greats like Rocco and Jaco pull-off seamlessly. I have been doing some alternating sixteenth note exercises on open strings as well like 8 16ths on A, 4 on D, 8 on A, 4 on D.

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Sounds like you're on the right track.

 

Do it slow, then click the metronome up one notch and do it again. Patience is the key here. It's like weight training.

 

Balance your practice sessions though, work on technique, then work on learning music. I've had technical breakthroughs from working on challenging music, and vice versa.

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i would recommend just trying to pump out notes as fast as you can for as long as you can, but use a metronome to keep it steady.

 

unless the rocco in question is siffredi, in which case pharmaceuticals may be required...

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I have fairly good "Rocco" chops. Our band does a few TOP tunes. I had to work my a** off to learn them. The first gig we did "What Is Hip?" my hand cramped up big time. I barely made it to the end of the tune. It got better. Unfortunatly there are no short cuts to that speed and endurance. Practice, practice, practice.
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Originally posted by Bastid E:

i would recommend just trying to pump out notes as fast as you can for as long as you can, but use a metronome to keep it steady.

 

unless the rocco in question is siffredi, in which case pharmaceuticals may be required...

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One good trick I've found for building up endurance is to practice on a bass with heavy strings and high action and to play much harder than you would at a gig (I usually practice unplugged) really thumping through the strings on every pluck. Then when it comes to the gig you can turn up the amp and pluck more lightly (and use your easier playing bass) and you'll be able to keep up the speed for much longer.

 

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Originally posted by bassaddik:

Originally posted by Bastid E:

i would recommend just trying to pump out notes as fast as you can for as long as you can, but use a metronome to keep it steady.

 

unless the rocco in question is siffredi, in which case pharmaceuticals may be required...

I am ashamed to say I know who you are talking about!
Uhh.....make that at least 2 of us.

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Dang!! What Is Hip's main section is not too hard but the section where he's playing octaves is where my sloppiness comes in! I would suggest practicing octave 16ths in Rocco time to build endurance. The original record's speed is not too bad either but I've heard some live versions where Rocco is just literally off the hook! Beside Rocco, Jaco and Jimmy 'Flim' Johnson, I've never heard anyone play constant 16ths with that type of speed and accuracy!!
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To me Gary Willis is on another level. Not necessarily better or worse than Roco, Jaco or anyone else, but some of the different sounds he does just blows my mind like the solo on "Nite Club" and there is another on the Reality Check album, I think "Hole in the Head" which are so outsounding tone and note wise.

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Originally posted by C.Alexander Claber:

Originally posted by DWBass:

Beside Rocco, Jaco and Jimmy 'Flim' Johnson, I've never heard anyone play constant 16ths with that type of speed and accuracy!!

Add Gary Willis to the list of 16th note groove monsters - he's incredible!

 

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Check out Matt Garrison- his solo cd or his work with Jhn McLaughlin and herbie Hancock- on the Herbie DVD he does some pretty amazing stuff with two finger and his thumb just NAILING the 16 th note thing and then some- the kid is amazing!!

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How about creating a new technique to make the fast rythems easier. Rather then taxing your muscles for 2 finger speed plucking, try using a 3 finger pluck. I switched myself to 3 finger pluck when i was learning old metallica and fast bits in black sabbath tunes, your plucking hand just dies unless you practice everyday for 3 hours and have the chance to really really warm up before the gig. Just use the first 3 fingers in this pattern 1232123212321....etc. make sure you throw the 2 finger back in to avoid the "gallop" sound, unless thats what you want, you can also execute lightning fast triplets with this technique in a quick rake like fashion.
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Some good advice here so far. I'd find a few songs that you like that you cannot play and work on those. Sounds like you're already working on What Is Hip, so keep at it. Back in 'the day', as it were, I practiced What Is Hip and Animate by Rush for what seemed like forever. Both songs have lot's of 16th notes and both songs are fairly long (5+ minutes).

 

Something that should be stressed is that you shouldn't just jump into working on fast stuff when practicing. Take the time to warm up first or you could potentially do more damage than good.

 

An execise that I like to do to work on 16th note octave stuff is to play scales like this:

 

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Originally posted by Bumpcity:

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Originally posted by Peter J Romano:

Originally posted by bassaddik:

Originally posted by Bastid E:

i would recommend just trying to pump out notes as fast as you can for as long as you can, but use a metronome to keep it steady.

 

unless the rocco in question is siffredi, in which case pharmaceuticals may be required...

I am ashamed to say I know who you are talking about!
Uhh.....make that at least 2 of us.

:)

 

PJR

errr...correction.

 

Make that 3 :D

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Originally posted by C.Alexander Claber:

Originally posted by DWBass:

Beside Rocco, Jaco and Jimmy 'Flim' Johnson, I've never heard anyone play constant 16ths with that type of speed and accuracy!!

Add Gary Willis to the list of 16th note groove monsters - he's incredible!

 

Alex

Oh hell, I forgot about Gary Willis but I think of him playing 16ths in a different type of setting! Rocco style is thoroughly funk in nature! I'd love to hear Gary Willis play 'What Is Hip' just for sh*t's and giggles!
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A lot of the advice mentioned here is stuff I've found useful for myself. The metronome definitely helps. I have no intention of sounding like Rocco, though I've copped a few of his lines during sound checks, and I get a few grins from folks. Then I jump into some Maiden and Cannibal Corpse lines. The Corpse lines are particularly challenging. If you think it's all noise, you try filling Alex Webster's shoes for 3 shows!

 

Anyway, take it easy, and don't feel too bad if you don't progress as fast as you'd like. I still have a lot of work to do before I can even think of being the next death metal speed freak on digit power. :freak:

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Originally posted by SplitNick:

I curious if anyone has any good resources, practices, exercises, warm-ups, etc. for building up Rocco type speed. I have been playing around with what is hip and I can pretty much get along with it, but my endurance with those constant sixteenths is not that great and by the middle of the song I am real flubbery.

 

So, what do you use to build up Rocco speed and precision?

I've also been working on "What Is Hip" recently. In order to gain speed and accuracy, start at a slower pace (with a metronome) and build yourself up. Try to match Rocco's tone as well. It's certainly a challenge.

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Originally posted by phil6006:

My bass teacher said that Jaco used to just use his first two fingers playing straight 16ths for hours continuously. just on open strings as an excersise to build up endurance and speed.

That's actually something my teacher also recommended to me. It's something you can do while watching TV.

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Originally posted by Sweet Willie:

Originally posted by Bumpcity:

Repeat, increase speed as necessary. Some results may vary. Not valid as a braking solution. Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball. Contents flamable. This product has sharp edges.

Choking hazard. Not for children under 3 years old.

 

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I had a few lesons from this guy and when i asked him how i could get jaco speed he told me somebody had done some theory on muscle build up.He said that if you condition the muscle to perform a particular motion at a moderate speed than the muscle would develope a memory of that motion and be able to perform it at high rates of speed.I figured he knew what he was talking about cause he could play that 16th note stuff.Anyways i try to work out the left hand the right together so they are conditioned to work together.I smply just play scales up and down for as long as i can stand it before breaking into something funner to play.
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