Rog Posted June 11, 2002 Share Posted June 11, 2002 Maybe I've watched one X-file episode too many, if so please flame away :) It strikes me as very strage that Bush unveils a new terrorist threat just when the CIA and FBI are about to tear each other to pieces over who may or may not have known about the events of September 11th before they occurred. Now everyone seems to be willing to forgive these organisations because you need them to counter this new threat. Is Bush making this shit up? It may sound far-fetched but I wouldn't trust Bush as far as I could throw him. "That's what the internet is for. Slandering others anonymously." - Banky Edwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nursers Posted June 11, 2002 Share Posted June 11, 2002 I'd say you're probably right :) The Keyboard Chronicles Podcast Check out your fellow forumites in an Apple Music playlist Check out your fellow forumites in a Spotify playlist My Music: Stainless Fields Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tusker Posted June 11, 2002 Share Posted June 11, 2002 Well, It's all a conspiracy right? The planes were remote controlled into the towers by CIA and FBI operatives who did it to save their organizations from being tarred and feathered by the media. Right. :eek: If Bush is lucky, Then I guess FDR was too, right? I mean he got world war II... a real war. And Churchill, man he really lucked out. He got Hitler as a bad guy. I think you are right about the x-files. Jerry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisDude Posted June 11, 2002 Share Posted June 11, 2002 Rog said: [quote] It strikes me as very strage that Bush unveils a new terrorist threat just when the CIA and FBI are about to tear each other to pieces over who may or may not have known about the events of September 11th before they occurred. [/quote]Yeah... this "dirty bomb" guy was arrested over a month ago, so [b]NOW[/b] it warrants a live press conference from Russia? The Daily Show on Comedy Central did a great spoof of this whole "slight of hand job" to detract from the investigations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tnb Posted June 11, 2002 Share Posted June 11, 2002 I think that instead of "what did he know and when did he know it" it should be "what did he do and when did he approve it". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tnb Posted June 11, 2002 Share Posted June 11, 2002 I think that instead of "what did he know and when did he know it" it should be "what did he do and when did he approve it". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GZsound Posted June 11, 2002 Share Posted June 11, 2002 Well, at least we know for sure the last administration didn't do dick. Lobbing a cruise missile into an aspirin factory to divert attention from an impeachment certainly helped our standing in the muslim world... I can only imagine the jeopardy our country would be in if ALGORE was in charge. He'd be renting the Lincoln bedroom out to Bin Hidin..Those middle eastern guys sure have a lot of respect for women..Madeline Halfbrite would sure put terrorists in their place.. And why no outrage about the fact Slick Willy turned down multiple opportunities to get Bin Hidin? X files indeed.. Mark G. "A man may fail many times, but he isn't a failure until he begins to blame others" -- John Burroughs "I consider ethics, as well as religion, as supplements to law in the government of man." -- Thomas Jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP3 Posted June 11, 2002 Share Posted June 11, 2002 I'd trust Bush far more than I'd trust Clinton or Gore, not that I trust Bush that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedly Nightshade Posted June 11, 2002 Share Posted June 11, 2002 D posted 06-11-2002 11:40 AM ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Well, at least we know for sure the last administration didn't do dick. Lobbing a cruise missile into an aspirin factory to divert attention from an impeachment certainly helped our standing in the muslim world... I can only imagine the jeopardy our country would be in if ALGORE was in charge. He'd be renting the Lincoln bedroom out to Bin Hidin..Those middle eastern guys sure have a lot of respect for women..Madeline Halfbrite would sure put terrorists in their place.. And why no outrage about the fact Slick Willy turned down multiple opportunities to get Bin Hidin? X files indeed.. The whole impeachment, like the OJ trial, was a bread&circus type diversion from the fact that our supposedly democratic nation was not invited to be a part of deciding whether or not to go with the WTO, which overrides everybody's rights and choices everywhere, for the concentration of wealth in the hands of the few, the ones Bush and Clinton are truly answerable to. You'll notice that Bush picked up the baton from Clinton on the WTO without a hiccup- these supposed enemies were working together very smoothly! All these guys we are discussing are shameless liars, career pimps for big industry. No apologies for Clinton and Gore, who were busy taking everyone's rights away with one hand while imprisoning record numbers of Americans with the other, but I'm glad Gore is not in charge because he would have to prove to everybody what a bloodthirsty warmonger he could be, giving the people what they want when they're screaming for blood, anybody's blood, preferably let from brown skin. Everyone already assumes that Bush is a bloodthirsty warmonger, so he didn't have to prove it to anyone, and probably less blood was shed and later. Although we're just getting started! To dye the multitudinous seas incarnadine, and make the green one red... Ted A WOP BOP A LU BOP, A LOP BAM BOOM! "There is nothing I regret so much as my good behavior. What demon possessed me that I behaved so well?" -Henry David Thoreau Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogfur Posted June 11, 2002 Share Posted June 11, 2002 [quote]Originally posted by TinderArts: [b]I'd trust Bush far more than I'd trust Clinton or Gore, not that I trust Bush that much.[/b][/quote]I don't think the matter of trust is even applicable any more...for any of them. They live in a world where "truth" is not even relevant. Although a slimeball, Clinton did stand over the coals of a Republican BBQ and walked away clean ( kind of ). There is not the slightest possibility that the Bush administration could survive investigation of that order, hence the timely "terrorist" activity information releases. There is no X-files here, folks, just an under-informed and complacent public that allows this shit to happen. Woof! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koolkid Posted June 11, 2002 Share Posted June 11, 2002 the big picture is that not only will the government not protect us, they also dont give a s*** its a big company with alot of fat cats,thats all it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henchman Posted June 11, 2002 Share Posted June 11, 2002 you know the old joke: How can you tell when a politician is lying? His mouth is moving. IMDB Credit list President George Washington: "The government of the United States is in no sense founded on the Christian Religion." President Abraham Lincoln: "The Bible is not my book, nor Christianity my religion." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super 8 Posted June 11, 2002 Share Posted June 11, 2002 [quote]Originally posted by Rog: [b]Maybe I've watched one X-file episode too many, if so please flame away :) [/b][/quote]I wouldn't say too many X-Files, but I do get the impression you've been watching The Daily Show on Comedy Central... :D Regarding Bush jr.: He's not the person I would have elected into office (and no, I wasn't supporting Gore either), but I haven't been unhappy with the way he's handled his duties. I assume from the get-go that any elected official is going to feed me a certain amount of bullshit. It's a given. There are too many strategic alliances that have to be built to get anything done. Too many backs that need scratching. So I have to rely upon the content of their character, that they are the person they seem to be, and that they will act in the best interest of the American people. I feel reasonably confident that Bush jr. is assuming that role. Whether he actually is or not is another matter. But, so far he has me sold. Super 8 Hear my stuff here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ignatius Riley Posted June 11, 2002 Share Posted June 11, 2002 Why does threads like this one always remind me of the movie [i]Wag The Dog[/i] ? [img]http://www.ebaumsworld.com/dogknows.jpg[/img] Ciao, Iggy Track or treat? http://www.garbage-house.com/pictures/freaks-images/eck-s-animated.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogfur Posted June 11, 2002 Share Posted June 11, 2002 [quote]Originally posted by Super 8: So I have to rely upon the content of their character, that they are the person they seem to be, and that they will act in the best interest of the American people. I feel reasonably confident that Bush jr. is assuming that role. Whether he actually is or not is another matter. But, so far he has me sold.[/QB][/quote]Would you be interested in purchasing a bridge? Or some land in Florida I have for sale, although drainage challenged? There's one born every minute... Woof! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coyote Posted June 12, 2002 Share Posted June 12, 2002 Just so you know where I'm coming from, I consider myself a Libertarian (if anything). I am no Clinton apologist; the man is obviously not one of outstanding character. That said.... The Republicans let money (GWB) beat character/principle (McCain). Eminently pragmatic one could say. But GWB, the man of character? I don't see anything in his past or present that speaks to this. And the members of his party jettison character each & every time they try to use Clinton to deflect criticism of current policy. [quote]Originally posted by Dogfur: [b] [quote]Originally posted by Super 8: So I have to rely upon the content of their character, that they are the person they seem to be, and that they will act in the best interest of the American people. I feel reasonably confident that Bush jr. is assuming that role. Whether he actually is or not is another matter. But, so far he has me sold.[/b][/quote]Would you be interested in purchasing a bridge? Or some land in Florida I have for sale, although drainage challenged? There's one born every minute...[/QB][/quote] I used to think I was Libertarian. Until I saw their platform; now I know I'm no more Libertarian than I am RepubliCrat or neoCON or Liberal or Socialist. This ain't no track meet; this is football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dix Posted June 12, 2002 Share Posted June 12, 2002 [quote]Originally posted by coyote: [b]The Republicans let money (GWB) beat character/principle (McCain). [/b][/quote]No... the Republicans elected the one who more closely reflects Republican principles. McCain is as much a Republican as James Traficant is a Democrat... McCain should just switch parties & get it over with. :D http://dix.stibs.cc/images/dix_blk-sm.jpg OUTSIDE THE BELTWAY http://dix.stibs.cc/images/godgunsrock-s.jpg"My uncles and forefather shouldn't have had to die in vain so you can leave the countries you were born into, come disrespect ours, and make us bend to your will. Get over it." - Ted Nugent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audiofreek Posted June 12, 2002 Share Posted June 12, 2002 I'm Canadian,so I won't comment on your politics, but one thing I know for sure.Our politicians up here are as crooked as a dogs'hind leg.Big money has got them(and us) bent over the sink and takin"it up the yoohoo.I'm sure it's not too much different anywere else.It's organised crime,plain and simple.Big buisiness means big tax cuts,which translates into a bigger tax bill for me,and a pay raise for the politicians.I would like to see some of these bastards hang for treason.And it pisses me off when people say"but it's the best system of government in the world". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedly Nightshade Posted June 12, 2002 Share Posted June 12, 2002 Same down here. Ted A WOP BOP A LU BOP, A LOP BAM BOOM! "There is nothing I regret so much as my good behavior. What demon possessed me that I behaved so well?" -Henry David Thoreau Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coyote Posted June 12, 2002 Share Posted June 12, 2002 If you can consider personal greed, corporate welfare, accelerated consumption, and a care-less attitude toward the environmental and social consequences of those policies to be *principles*, then you are correct - McCain ought not be in the Republican Party. In case you didn't notice, the Republican 2000 primaries were showing a groundswell of support for McCain until the massive Bush warchest performed its onholy magick. [quote]Originally posted by Dix: [b] [quote]Originally posted by coyote: [b]The Republicans let money (GWB) beat character/principle (McCain). [/b][/quote]No... the Republicans elected the one who more closely reflects Republican principles. McCain is as much a Republican as James Traficant is a Democrat... McCain should just switch parties & get it over with. :D [/b][/quote] I used to think I was Libertarian. Until I saw their platform; now I know I'm no more Libertarian than I am RepubliCrat or neoCON or Liberal or Socialist. This ain't no track meet; this is football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strat0124 Posted June 12, 2002 Share Posted June 12, 2002 if Dubya is calling the shots as our fearless leader then I'm delivering presents down your chimney on Christmas Eve. Down like a dollar comin up against a yen, doin pretty good for the shape I'm in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popstalin Posted June 12, 2002 Share Posted June 12, 2002 Let's look at the situation as it stands - it really is too coincidental that this terroristic threat came about when the finger pointing was coming hard and heavy. It also is sad when one thinks of the economic state of the country when the WTC were attacked. War has historically been good for an economy. I think that if anyone trusts any politician whether it be Republican or Democrat than you have serious issues. Our government has been working against what was originally planned for this nation for years. Our governement is much too powerful for its own good and when that happens the person who assumes that power thinks that he is the power. GWB, jr. stole the election, his past is a good representation of his character and let us not forget that the Bush family has made it's money from oil and has done business with the Bin Laden family. There's definitely more here than meets the eye. Jen H. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted June 12, 2002 Author Share Posted June 12, 2002 OK, 21 posts and only one person thought I was talking shite, which begs the question ... Why do you put up with this? I understand that musicians and creative people often see through bullshit faster than others and so this little straw poll is biased but Dix showed up to put the redneck, gun-toting hillbilly argument accross and even things up :) If enough people think this way why doesn't a third party emerge? Apologies if I'm asking obvious questions here, I don't have the answers and I'm curious :D In the meantime, here's some more of everybody's favourite president: "This guy, Padilla, is a bad guy. And he is where he needs to be detained," - the guy hasn't been tried yet. I don't know about US law but over here he would be in big trouble for prejudicing the outcome of a trial. US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said his government was "not interested in trying him at the moment" Another corker! Just keep the diversion on ice until this whole thing blows over and then release him without charge when everybody looses interest? "His lawyer, Donna Newman, said there were no charges against her client and added that the legal community was outraged at his being detained "without time limit, or the right to counsel" Doesn't this break some kind of international human rights law? "That's what the internet is for. Slandering others anonymously." - Banky Edwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strat0124 Posted June 12, 2002 Share Posted June 12, 2002 Its clear to all non Rush listening rational thinking Americans, that we're becoming a police state little by little. During the Clinton years, critizing the administration was ok, now during the Cheney adminstration, its anti American. I believe part of the reason for the secrecy (sounds kinda Mason-like?), and moves toward the inevitable police state, is when the truth comes out the masses will come unglued. They know it and have prepared. I do believe GW is a front, and clearly the new Tricky Dick is calling the shots. Anytime the powers try to demonize a good and honorable man like McCain, who served his country well (unlike the frat poster boy, and 90% of his staff), you have to question the motives of every single thing they say and do. We are securing the oil reserves of the world with military might, not for energy, but to make money. Its a farce to proclaim "we're out of oil!", theres no science to support that. If we were so concerned about our national security don't you think corporate America would convert to alternate sources to cut our dependence on imported crude? It can be done in short order....look what happened after Pearl Harbor, all industry swapped over to wartime production. So that leaves you wondering once again...why haven't we moved that direction? Follow the money and all the answers to 9/11 that you wanted to know but can't find out on TV will show its ugly head. Even Forrest Gump could figure out something is screwed up. Wonder if Dubya will give up the presidency, once his term is over......or will he refuse to leave, citing high moral ground on the fight to end terrorism. Course it ain't his call, is it Poppy? Down like a dollar comin up against a yen, doin pretty good for the shape I'm in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tusker Posted June 12, 2002 Share Posted June 12, 2002 [quote]Originally posted by Rog: [b]OK, 21 posts and only one person thought I was talking shite, which begs the question ... Why do you put up with this? [/b][/quote]Yeah, that's a great question. If it upsets you that all politicians are liars, do you vote, do you vote for honesty, how do you determine honesty? How do you avoid being disenfranchised? I notice that US voter turnout is way below that in Europe. I wonder how the perception of politicans' honesty would campare? Jerry PS: Thanks for the compliment on musicians. Maybe musicians see through bullshit faster ... or maybe they are more knee-jerk liberal... how would we tell which? ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted June 12, 2002 Author Share Posted June 12, 2002 [quote]Originally posted by Tusker: [b] [quote]Originally posted by Rog: [b]OK, 21 posts and only one person thought I was talking shite, which begs the question ... Why do you put up with this? [/b][/quote]Yeah, that's a great question. If it upsets you that all politicians are liars, do you vote, do you vote for honesty, how do you determine honesty? How do you avoid being disenfranchised? I notice that US voter turnout is way below that in Europe. I wonder how the perception of politicans' honesty would campare? Jerry PS: Thanks for the compliment on musicians. Maybe musicians see through bullshit faster ... or maybe they are more knee-jerk liberal... how would we tell which? ;) [/b][/quote]Good questions and I can only speak from my experiences of living in the UK. We voted the Tories out by a massive margin because they were a bunch of sleazy criminals. I hope we will do the same to labour if they cross the line. Either way, there would be one hell of a lot of trouble if Blair tried to pull half the shit Bush is pulling right now. "That's what the internet is for. Slandering others anonymously." - Banky Edwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bohemian Posted June 12, 2002 Share Posted June 12, 2002 One of the funniest things I've heard of in a while was Michael Moore of "Roger and Me" fame, calling the United Nations to report that a coup had taken place on election day in the U.S, saying please send help immediately. b. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coyote Posted June 12, 2002 Share Posted June 12, 2002 I remember that - and it would be even funnier than it was if it weren't so tragically close to the mark. But we're apparently in the minority - a Gallup Poll just reported that 80% of the American public would be willing to trade liberties for additional security (2519 people in NYC, DC, & OK City sampled). I need to see the questions which were asked in that poll. "Due in from Miami Beach, BOAC...." [quote]Originally posted by bohemian: [b]One of the funniest things I've heard of in a while was Michael Moore of "Roger and Me" fame, calling the United Nations to report that a coup had taken place on election day in the U.S, saying please send help immediately. b.[/b][/quote] I used to think I was Libertarian. Until I saw their platform; now I know I'm no more Libertarian than I am RepubliCrat or neoCON or Liberal or Socialist. This ain't no track meet; this is football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderton Posted June 12, 2002 Share Posted June 12, 2002 <> If I recall, the World Trade Center was bombed about a month into Clinton's presidency. The people who did it were caught and are now in jail. Also, a guy who was planning to blow up LAX as part of the "millenium bomb plot" was stopped, detained, arrested, and is now in jail. And remember, no one knew in the Bush administration that Bin Laden was going to fly planes into the WTC. It's ludicrous to think Clinton would have known. Was Clinton a jerk? Sure, but credit where credit is due. There is something called "objectivity." The sucker lied in front of a grand jury. But he has a better track record of capturing and incarcerating perpetrators of terrorist acts than Bush has so far. Craig Anderton Educational site: http://www.craiganderton.org Music: http://www.youtube.com/thecraiganderton Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/craig_anderton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tusker Posted June 12, 2002 Share Posted June 12, 2002 I was listening to a sociologist explain that the American polity likes to believe in the soverignity and stability of the constitution, but actually executes rather violent shifts to the left and right as the situation demands. He had several 20th century examples. He ascribed our political stability to this "flexibility". Jerry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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