jeremy c Posted September 25, 2003 Share Posted September 25, 2003 I mean, no fills, nearly all eighth notes, the same part over and over, straight triads on "midnight hour", what's up with that? Free download of my cd!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Phil Posted September 25, 2003 Share Posted September 25, 2003 lol maybe he was a WIMP!! http://www.briantimpe.com/images/LDL/dots/blue.JPGhttp://www.briantimpe.com/images/LDL/dots/black.JPGhttp://www.briantimpe.com/images/LDL/dots/fuscia.JPGhttp://www.briantimpe.com/images/LDL/dots/grey.JPGhttp://www.briantimpe.com/images/LDL/dots/orange.JPGhttp://www.briantimpe.com/images/LDL/dots/purple.JPGhttp://www.briantimpe.com/images/LDL/dots/red.JPGhttp://www.briantimpe.com/images/LDL/dots/yellow.JPG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcr Posted September 25, 2003 Share Posted September 25, 2003 Maybe I'll just have to read/study/work my way through "What Duck Done," and find out for myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rumpelstiltskin. Posted September 26, 2003 Share Posted September 26, 2003 maybe i don't know duck's work too well, but on "the blues brothers" (1980) his playing was very melodic, tasteful, and anything but repetetive. that movie is a how-to guide for playing in the pocket. if i weren't just now realizing how creative neal peart of rush was, i would be getting chills at how beautiful and hilarious that movie is. robb. because i like people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
getz out Posted September 26, 2003 Share Posted September 26, 2003 Jeremy, FANTASTIC post! Obviously, he underplayed! Look at all that room he gave to Steve Cropper! Talk about a brilliant group of guys; Booker T. and the MG's... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenLoy Posted September 26, 2003 Share Posted September 26, 2003 Man, Duck could've been tearing that sh*t up! Instead he was all supportive and boring. Jeez. Someone as fantastic and brilliant as Jaco would've never listed him as an influence. Not in a million years. What a boring player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dm711 Posted September 26, 2003 Share Posted September 26, 2003 Sometimes, less is more. I guessing that somebody makes a bad joke out of that one at my expense, but what the heck. Let's see what happens. Dm7 http://www.paintedharmony.com Dm7#11. It's a sad chord in "...the saddest of all keys, really." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenLoy Posted September 26, 2003 Share Posted September 26, 2003 Just smile and laugh, Fm6/D. We rib each other here all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dm711 Posted September 26, 2003 Share Posted September 26, 2003 Originally posted by BenLoy: We rib each other here all the time.Got it, but I was referring to my comment... ...less is more http://www.paintedharmony.com Dm7#11. It's a sad chord in "...the saddest of all keys, really." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy c Posted September 26, 2003 Author Share Posted September 26, 2003 Actually I thought that Les was less. Free download of my cd!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted September 26, 2003 Share Posted September 26, 2003 Originally posted by jeremyc: Actually I thought that Les was less. Man, so many people took this one hook, line, and sinker. I love it. Duck Dunn was/is a bad ass mofo. I've learned so much from what he's done in his career than most other bassists out there. He and Steve were the ultimate bass/guitar combo. There's so much to learn from what those cats did. Booya. I am a pool shootin boy, they call me Willie McCoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dm711 Posted September 26, 2003 Share Posted September 26, 2003 Originally posted by jeremyc: Actually I thought that Les was less. Does that mean that Flee is wee? Sorry. I am really really sorry. Dm7 http://www.paintedharmony.com Dm7#11. It's a sad chord in "...the saddest of all keys, really." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Gino Posted September 26, 2003 Share Posted September 26, 2003 Originally posted by jeremyc: I mean, no fills, nearly all eighth notes, the same part over and over, straight triads on "midnight hour", what's up with that?Touché The whole point of the MGs is that there are no remarkable lines of any of the instruments to listen to. One listens to the whole band as if it is one person with a bunch of extra limbs playing everything at once. Leave room for Cropper's stuff? My god, he leave's so much room for everyone else. There is no better, sparser rhythm player in existance. He's one of the the only geetar players that's really a rhythm player. Screw Clapton, SRV, Paige, etc. I'd take Cropper in my band any day. The real question is: Do YOU overplay? Does your ego require you to play notes beyond what the song demands? Rule of thumb: Figure out what you want to play. Then go back and take half of the notes out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobT Posted September 26, 2003 Share Posted September 26, 2003 Originally posted by Father Gino: Originally posted by jeremyc: I mean, no fills, nearly all eighth notes, the same part over and over, straight triads on "midnight hour", what's up with that?The real question is: Do YOU overplay? Does your ego require you to play notes beyond what the song demands? Rule of thumb: Figure out what you want to play. Then go back and take half of the notes out.Now there's the rub... Quite a profound statement Father G. RobT Famous Musical Quotes: "I would rather play Chiquita Banana and have my swimming pool than play Bach and starve" - Xavier Cugat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tnb Posted September 26, 2003 Share Posted September 26, 2003 Now if we could get the guitar players to chill everything would be all right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
getz out Posted September 26, 2003 Share Posted September 26, 2003 Originally posted by Bumpcity: Originally posted by jeremyc: [qb] He and Steve were the ultimate bass/guitar combo.I cop so many turnaround from Dunn it's not even funny. Further, the one thing about Dunn and Cropper; tone. Dunn had that beautiful recorded round tone, and Steve had that STABBING guitar. It was a nice contrast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bear Jew Posted September 26, 2003 Share Posted September 26, 2003 Duck RuLEZ! \m/ Erik "To fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists of breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting." --Sun Tzu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Gino Posted September 26, 2003 Share Posted September 26, 2003 Originally posted by getz76: Originally posted by Bumpcity: Originally posted by jeremyc: [qb] He and Steve were the ultimate bass/guitar combo.I cop so many turnaround from Dunn it's not even funny. Further, the one thing about Dunn and Cropper; tone. Dunn had that beautiful recorded round tone, and Steve had that STABBING guitar. It was a nice contrast.I know this is a bass forum, but let's not leave out the late Al Jackson, Mr. In the pocket on the drums. Oh, and Booker T ain't too bad his own self either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fig Posted September 26, 2003 Share Posted September 26, 2003 Many moons ago, I didn't really appreciate the musicianship of the MG's, and specifically Duck Dunn. Loved their music, but I went thru a Stanley/Jaco thing to apply to my playing. I found that I could get shit jam gigs with the overboard playing, but real bands wanted a bassist who knew where the 'One' is, and didn't masturbate all over the music. That's when I started appreciating what Dunn, and many other 'less active' bassists were doing. I think that's when I started to learn to play for the song. I think it's about that time I started to learn to lead the band (along with the drummer), instead of follow along with the chord changes. This may sound stupid, but I try and make my basslines a song within a song. And it can be done without to many notes. The two biggest compliments that meant alot to me were similar, and in general said, "Great job. I didn't even know you were there." So, to steal from CMDN.... Duck RuLEZ! Bassplayers aren't paid to play fast, they're paid to listen fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Sweet Willie_ Posted September 26, 2003 Share Posted September 26, 2003 Lee Sklar could take Duck Dunn any day. Steal away now, steal away... spreadluv Fanboy? Why, yes! Nordstrand Pickups and Guitars. Messiaen knew how to parlay the funk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcr Posted September 26, 2003 Share Posted September 26, 2003 "I try and make my basslines a song within a song." Fig, I sure hope that's not stupid, because that's exactly my approach too. And you're right, it doesn't have to mean playing busy or forsaking the support role. (There are exceptions, though. E.g. sometimes when someone's doing a quiet, fingerpick guitar thing, I can "hide" underneath & sound like an extra set of low strings for the guitar, rather than a distinct or noticeable bass part.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bc_dup1 Posted September 26, 2003 Share Posted September 26, 2003 At a bit of a tangent, but I'm playing with an electronica band at the moment and, of course, I "play for the music". That means 90% of the time very, very simple lines, in fact on some tunes not much more than root notes or very simple ostinato parts repeated for the whole tune. Which is fine, that's what I'm there for, it's what fits the context. There are some very talented guys in this band, there are definitely less weak links than in my last project. But my last project was a funk disco thing. I got to play Jamerson's line from "For Once In My Life", Nathan Watts lines from "Sir Duke" and "I Wish", Bernard Edwards lines from the big Sister Sledge and Chic hits, Verdine White lines, Crudaders stuff, James Brown stuff........well, you get the picture, it was great experience for a relatively novice player. Although I feellife has moved on, and I'm with a better band now, I'm definitely feeling I've got less of a technical challenge. And I also worry that, if this is the only musical project I'm involved in, my playing may start to stagnate in some of its aspects. I could look around for something more challenging I suppose, but I'm very excited about the overall sound of the band I'm in, as a hobby player I'd find it hard to make time for another project, and I don't want to join an inferior band just to play more challenging bass lines. I can't be the only bassist whose come up against this problem - how have others dealt with it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george costanza Posted September 26, 2003 Share Posted September 26, 2003 Originally posted by BenLoy: Man, Duck could've been tearing that sh*t up! Instead he was all supportive and boring. Jeez. Someone as fantastic and brilliant as Jaco would've never listed him as an influence. Not in a million years. What a boring player. Actually, during his time with Wayne Cochran's James-Brown-style band, I bet Jaco imitated him a lot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan South Posted September 27, 2003 Share Posted September 27, 2003 Duck Dunn is the funkiest white man to have ever walked the earth. His bass lines are simple in terms of the number of notes, but that FEEL. How the heck does he stretch THAT MUCH FEEL out of such simple patterns? When I can play a Duck Dunn line and make it sound like Duck Dunn, then I will have succeeded as a bassist. I'm willing to bet that VERY FEW bassists can actually achieve this, even though, note for note, the lines are simple. Man, that dude is funky! The Black Knight always triumphs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted September 27, 2003 Share Posted September 27, 2003 Originally posted by Dan South: Duck Dunn is the funkiest white man to have ever walked the earth. His bass lines are simple in terms of the number of notes, but that FEEL. How the heck does he stretch THAT MUCH FEEL out of such simple patterns? When I can play a Duck Dunn line and make it sound like Duck Dunn, then I will have succeeded as a bassist. I'm willing to bet that VERY FEW bassists can actually achieve this, even though, note for note, the lines are simple. Man, that dude is funky! HERE is my attempt at playing one of The Man's lines. Sorry for the size.. I didn't have an MP3 encoder at work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Capasso Posted September 27, 2003 Share Posted September 27, 2003 I enjoy everything I've ever heard from Duck Dunn. And his bandmates. In most cases, I'm not emulating his style, and I'm not able to coax as much out of as little as Duck is. I play what I feel (not too far from dcr and fig's explanation). If I'm palying something and I'm asked to change it, that's fine. If I get asked to change many things, I'm not the right guy for your gig (this hasn't happened yet, but it could). There are many bassists I appreciate, and I agree that Duck RuLEZ. I'm just not using him as my model. You could say that this is one of the few times I'm not going to duck and run.... Tom www.stoneflyrocks.com Acoustic Color Be practical as well as generous in your ideals. Keep your eyes on the stars and keep your feet on the ground. - Theodore Roosevelt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcr Posted September 28, 2003 Share Posted September 28, 2003 Originally posted by dcr: Maybe I'll just have to read/study/work my way through "What Duck Done," and find out for myself.And I just bought it! Can't wait for it to get here!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Sweet Willie_ Posted September 28, 2003 Share Posted September 28, 2003 Originally posted by Bumpcity: HERE is my attempt at playing one of The Man's lines. Sorry for the size.. I didn't have an MP3 encoder at work.I enjoyed that. Thank you for sharing. spreadluv Fanboy? Why, yes! Nordstrand Pickups and Guitars. Messiaen knew how to parlay the funk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan South Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 Originally posted by Bumpcity: Originally posted by Dan South: Duck Dunn is the funkiest white man to have ever walked the earth. His bass lines are simple in terms of the number of notes, but that FEEL. How the heck does he stretch THAT MUCH FEEL out of such simple patterns? When I can play a Duck Dunn line and make it sound like Duck Dunn, then I will have succeeded as a bassist. I'm willing to bet that VERY FEW bassists can actually achieve this, even though, note for note, the lines are simple. Man, that dude is funky! HERE is my attempt at playing one of The Man's lines. Sorry for the size.. I didn't have an MP3 encoder at work.Hey Bump! That's pretty darned good, but it ain't quite Dunn! The Black Knight always triumphs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basshappi Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 I have a great deal of respect for Duck Dunns'playing. He is one of those guys who put the right notes in the right places. Nothing is as it seems but everything is exactly what it is - B. Banzai Life is what happens while you are busy playing in bands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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