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Ok, here's the deal, my dad left me w/ life insurance money, and well even though i haven't received it yet, i've been planning about college and well, before i go to college i want to get me an amp that i can use for some big gigs and small ones, and well i've been having trouble deciding... My choices so far is the Carvin Redeye RC210 w/ the RC118

SWR workingman 4004 w/ a 4X10 cab

Carvin Avatar mix of the R600 and probly 2x12 cab

 

Plz help me here!!

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Those will all give you drastically different sounds. The first step would be to try and at least play through similar speaker cab arrangements, so you can get an idea of the difference between the sound of a 410, a 118, and a 210. The combination of the 210 combo with an 118 cab probably makes the most sense to me right off the bat, because it's scaleable and would give you very full, well rounded tone when used together, but that's my opinion and it really depends on your style and taste. So, try some cabs out!
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DEFINETLY GO CARVIN/AVATAR!!!!

 

I have the R600 with Avatar 2x10 and 1x15(no tweeter). IT ROCKS!! If you get this, it'll be the last amp and speakers you'll ever buy (unless u want more speakers...or something breaks...or they get stolen...or yea im done.)

 

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Originally posted by TanMan:

Ok, about the Carvin/Avatar combo should i just get myself just the 2x12 or should i get myself another cab w/ the combo like the 2X10, b/c i know both of those can support the the R600.

Well I have the 2x10 and 1x15, but I wish I had gotten the 4x10 or 2x12 and the 1x15 with a tweeter. And if you want to get the max power (600 watts) from the amp, order them in 8 Ohms. I ordered them in 4Ohms, and im only running 275, Bi Amped. Only thing is bridged u cant Biamp. And if wanted to use em full range or BIamped at 8 Ohms, its only 175 watts. And if you want the max Full Range power, get them in 2 Ohms.

 

I do recommend getting 2 speakers (what you get is up to you) because Bi-amping is awesome. But if u get the 1x15, get it with the tweeter. I wish I had the tweeter cuz I will probably need this for Jazz Band in school, and a full stack would be to big, and I'd rather use a 1x15 with tweeter than a 2x10. One reason is cuz the 15" cab has wheels...

 

If you dont mind a quick story:

I was fooling around with the 2x10 only in Biamp mode through the (i think) Low freq. Biamp Jack, or it could've been on the High freq. jack...and it sounds good with everything above 200 or 300 Hz going to the 2x10. You really feel it. Same thing with the 1x15 plugged in the Hi freq. Biamp jack and the knob rolled all the way in the opposite direction.

 

Have fun, and tell us what you decide to get. then tell us how it sounds. lol

 

Good Luck!

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Ok, i'm little confused about the whole:

Well I have the 2x10 and 1x15, but I wish I had gotten the 4x10 or 2x12 and the 1x15 with a tweeter. And if you want to get the max power (600 watts) from the amp, order them in 8 Ohms. I ordered them in 4Ohms, and im only running 275, Bi Amped. Only thing is bridged u cant Biamp. And if wanted to use em full range or BIamped at 8 Ohms, its only 175 watts. And if you want the max Full Range power, get them in 2 Ohms.

 

ok, i get the the whole buy them at 8Ohm for full power, but when you go to Biamped at 8 Ohms i'm a little confused there, so could you plz explain.

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According to the Carvin website, the R600 (same head as is in the RC210 combo) puts 175W per channel into 8 ohms, 250W per channel in to 4 ohms. When run mono bridged, it puts 600W into 4 ohms and 500W into 8 ohms.

 

If you want to take advantage of the bi-amp capabilities, you would be running the amp in stereo. Therefore you would maximize your power w/ two 4 ohm cabs, each getting 250W RMS. If you get a single cab, you could go 8 ohms and give it 500W bridged or 4 ohms and give it 600W bridged. (Technically you could run one 2-ohm cab on each side, bi-amped, to maximize power at 300W RMS per cab; however, I tend not to have any interest whatsoever in 2-ohm cabs -- higher impedance is good for some tightness in the sound.)

 

If you're concerned about overall volume, remember that increasing your loudness can be affected by increasing the amount of air you push (that is, using more cabs/drivers) and by increasing your wattage going to the cabs. If I've understood anything I've learned from this forum, to double your volume based only on changing power output from the amp, you would need a 10x increase in wattage. That is, a 1000W head will sound twice as loud as a 100W head (logarithmic relationship between watts and decibels). However, there is also the concept of acoustic coupling -- if you double your speaker cone area (e.g., going from one 2x10 cab to two 2x10 cabs), you will gain 3 dB in volume, which is a noticeable difference.

 

If volume is what you're most concerned about, hopefully what I've written will help and hopefully others will correct any errors I may have made.

 

Lastly, I don't know how you narrowed your choices to the SWR Workingman's gear and the Carvin/Avatar gear. If it didn't involve actually playing a variety of gear in your price range, please do so. I know that you can't do that with Carvin and Avatar, but it really would be worth your while to go play a bunch of other cabs and amps if you haven't already. There is no substitute for listening!

 

Enjoy the search, the purchase, and the use of your rig.

 

Peace.

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yea what willie said :D
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Hey guys, I have an avatar question... Eventually I'm planning on getting (hopefully) a SWR 550x and a Avatar 4X10. According to the website the 4X10 can handle 1400 watts. I was wondering how much power I need to pump into to make it efficient, or would I even need more wattage? (Take note that at first I will be running an 8ohm 4X10 alone! Then when I feel the need, I'll add something to make it 4ohms total) OR should I try some other configuration of speakers, like a 2X10 and a 2X12... or whatever... suggestions! (by the way, I'm not trying to take this post as my own. I just thought that since avatar users are looking at this, you guys would know the answer)

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Still working on it...

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