jeremy c Posted July 9, 2003 Share Posted July 9, 2003 The banner on the top of the page looked intriguing so I filled out the form and applied to be a "sponsored band". I suppose some of you have done the same thing. The question is, has anyone received a reply? Free download of my cd!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rumpelstiltskin. Posted July 9, 2003 Share Posted July 9, 2003 yeah, it's funny because i filled out the "i'm not in a band but send me info anyway" form. i was given a "you'll be sent something soon" email, but i haven't heard a peep since. [expletive stream] bose. i don't understand why people like them. robb. because i like people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexclaber Posted July 9, 2003 Share Posted July 9, 2003 Originally posted by robb.: [expletive stream] bose. i don't understand why people like them. Ah, the power of marketing... Alex Barefaced Ltd - ultra lightweight, high ouput, toneful bass cabs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenLoy Posted July 9, 2003 Share Posted July 9, 2003 More power to Bose for being so popular. I've always held the opinion that their speakers have zero midrange detail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigiVoices Posted July 9, 2003 Share Posted July 9, 2003 Any opinions on shelf top speakers with a kick ass mid range sound? I was going to get a pair of Bose 201 Series V Direct/Reflecting speakers for the midrange and the highs, but Benloy's comment made me wonder what everyone's opinion was. I have a powered sub in the corner so the lows are taken care of I just need two shelf speakers for the midrange and highs. Any thoughts on what the best speakers would be for the best price?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rumpelstiltskin. Posted July 9, 2003 Share Posted July 9, 2003 well, if you can afford a pair of bose, you may as well go out directly and buy a pair of B&W DM602 speakers. they're fairly large for being not a floorstanding speaker, but damn are they nice. they lack a little sparkle up top, but they speak so cleanly in the midrange it's silly. ben, seriously. if ford made a really well-marketed car that sold exceptionally well despite that it was a death trap, would you commend them for being popular due to adept marketing instead of quality products? robb. because i like people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martianrebel Posted July 9, 2003 Share Posted July 9, 2003 Re: Speakers... Check out PSB speakers. They're hard core. -{m}- What's these knobs for? http://www.martianrebel.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy c Posted July 10, 2003 Author Share Posted July 10, 2003 Well this turned into a discussion about Bose Speakers, but I'm still wondering if anyone has received a reply from Bose regarding the sponsored band thing. Whether I like the speakers or not, if Bose is going to give me a free PA system to use, I will use it. Free download of my cd!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tnb Posted July 10, 2003 Share Posted July 10, 2003 Jeremyc, I have NOT received any emails from Bose either. Whether I like the speakers or not, if Bose is going to give me a free PA system to use, I will use it. There you go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rumpelstiltskin. Posted July 10, 2003 Share Posted July 10, 2003 despite my extreme distaste for bose in the home, i've actually heard some good things about their PAs, though i have yet to hear a good sounding bose PA. regardless, it's not just a free PA, but also free promotions to get people out to see the show that really got me. that's probably premiere, or at least elevated, bookings and plenty of press coverage paid for by the george steinbrenner of loudspeakers. robb. because i like people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnS Posted October 29, 2003 Share Posted October 29, 2003 Originally posted by jeremyc: Well this turned into a discussion about Bose Speakers, but I'm still wondering if anyone has received a reply from Bose regarding the sponsored band thing. Whether I like the speakers or not, if Bose is going to give me a free PA system to use, I will use it. Jeremy, I found this thread on the "For the Band" Forum http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=23;t=000388 Expert Forums from Gig, EQ, Keyboard, Surround Professional & MusicPlayer: Some incredible news for my band... and all gigging musicians I did a search and didn't see where you got an answer to your question. The BOSE web site has a list of the bands and where and when they will be playing. I myself am wanting to hear what this system sounds like but they are not coming anywhere near me. I would be interested in knowing what you or others who have heard the system think about it. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Sweet Willie_ Posted October 29, 2003 Share Posted October 29, 2003 Forum regular/"For the Band" moderator and her band, "What the...?" are a sponsored band. JohnS posted the right link. She also wrote about it briefly on the LDL and gave us the same link that JohnS has provided. If you're really curious, send a PM or e-mail to Lee for more details. spreadluv Fanboy? Why, yes! Nordstrand Pickups and Guitars. Messiaen knew how to parlay the funk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Flier Posted October 29, 2003 Share Posted October 29, 2003 Yeah jeremy, my band was one of those picked! It's been a pretty incredible experience so far (see the thread that JohnS posted), and we think this new system is amazing. Being a major gear snob, that is no small admission for me. JohnS, I'm sorry none of the bands are from your area. We will be playing out of town some but I doubt we'll get that far out any time soon (we're in Atlanta). If I hear about any events near you I'll let ya know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rumpelstiltskin. Posted October 29, 2003 Share Posted October 29, 2003 i still haven't heard anything from bose, and it sure didn't come quickly. robb. because i like people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr M Pulsive Posted October 29, 2003 Share Posted October 29, 2003 robb... why such strong hatred for bose? I don't understand. Have some bad experiences with their equipment or what?.... Not looking to offend here, I'm just curious. -Mike ...simply stating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rumpelstiltskin. Posted October 29, 2003 Share Posted October 29, 2003 i don't like liars. their actions in this case are completely in line with everything else they've ever done. they generally replace facts with hubris and it irritates me that most people go for it. i don't like liars. they lie. robb. because i like people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffinator Posted October 29, 2003 Share Posted October 29, 2003 Originally posted by DigiVoices: Any opinions on shelf top speakers with a kick ass mid range sound? I was going to get a pair of Bose 201 Series V Direct/Reflecting speakers for the midrange and the highs, but Benloy's comment made me wonder what everyone's opinion was. I have a powered sub in the corner so the lows are taken care of I just need two shelf speakers for the midrange and highs. Any thoughts on what the best speakers would be for the best price??There are many speakers in the same price range as the Bo$e 201 that would absolutely destroy the 201 for midrange and HF detail. Klipsch SB-1's would be a good start. JBL Studio 36's would be a great choice - and they're extremely light, as an added bonus. Hell, there are plenty of low-priced "studio monitors" that would do better for highs and mids than Bo$e. A bunch of loud, obnoxious music I USED to make with friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hags2k Posted October 29, 2003 Share Posted October 29, 2003 Hmm...the only experience I've had with Bose is a wave radio/cd that my girlfriend has. It may not be a great deal for the price (I haven't asked her how much it cost yet), but it sounds pretty amazing for such a tiny little device. It fills up her whole bedroom, which is awesome (cause I spend so much time there........I wish) Perhaps I don't have the right ears for it, but I thought it sounded pretty amazing. I have no experience with any of their other products, though. unkownroadband.com - step into the unkown :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rumpelstiltskin. Posted October 29, 2003 Share Posted October 29, 2003 therein lies their strategy -- lack of comparison. most of their loudspeakers not only do not sound good to my ears, but they don't sound as good as similarly priced competition. sometimes they make products that sound good -- like the wave radio -- but at similar price, many of their competitors (denon, for example) make much better sounding products. robb. because i like people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr M Pulsive Posted October 29, 2003 Share Posted October 29, 2003 Originally posted by robb.: i don't like liars. their actions in this case are completely in line with everything else they've ever done. they generally replace facts with hubris and it irritates me that most people go for it. i don't like liars. they lie. robb.Gotcha, thanks. I've never personally used any Bose equipment & don't forsee needing to at this point. The new Personal Amplification System or whatever it is in interesting, though.... but I doubt most people will be eager to give up the amp rigs they've spent so much time and money constructing. ...simply stating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Flier Posted October 29, 2003 Share Posted October 29, 2003 Well... I have no previous experience with any Bose products so I can't comment on that. But the Personalized Amplification System really IS a great thing for musicians. Yes, Bose's marketing strategy is heavy handed, but I think they feel it's imperative that people 1) actually see and hear the thing for themselves before passing judgement, and 2) really understand the benefits they get from the system vs. traditional PA equipment. I really hope this concept takes off because I think once people really understand what they're getting from the system, they'll think of ways to make it work for them. I also think other gear manufacturers might follow suit and start making rigs that will work well for a system like this (such as low wattage tube amps for guitars, etc.) Also, there's a bass line out from the system for use with external power amps and subs, for bass players who want to do that. The system adjusts the crossover automatically when something is plugged into the bass line out. You COULD even continue to use your existing speaker cabs, but that would mean you wouldn't get all of the benefit of the system because conventional speaker cabs are directional, so only a few people are in the sweet spot. Still, though, you'd be able to hear your bass coming out of the PAS PLUS your rig, which would be cool. And since bass isn't as directional as say, a guitar amp is, you might not think this was a bad option. Anyway, sure I got the thing for free, but we wouldn't jeopardize our whole sound on something that sucked just because we got it for free. We are pretty extreme snobs about sound (all into vintage tone and the like), and we get no financial benefit from selling the sytem to others. But after seeing it and working with it we are really convinced it's a fundamental change in the way live sound works, and a change for the better. It's a really exciting thing and we've been like little kids about playing again ever since we got this thing. So all I can say is, it would be good to reserve judgement until you've had a chance to check it out for yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rumpelstiltskin. Posted October 29, 2003 Share Posted October 29, 2003 well, they are interesting. they're a really good idea, but they're not revolutionary. and i certianly don't think they merit their price, given their restrictions. but cool enough for people who play mostly in those situations. robb. because i like people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnS Posted October 29, 2003 Share Posted October 29, 2003 Originally posted by robb.: well, they are interesting. they're a really good idea, but they're not revolutionary. and i certianly don't think they merit their price, given their restrictions. but cool enough for people who play mostly in those situations. robb.Hey Robb glad to see that you finally got that first cup of coffee down this morning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Flier Posted October 29, 2003 Share Posted October 29, 2003 Robb, I agree that they priced it too high and I've told them that on several occasions - that their target market, working musicians who play in small to mid size venues, usually just don't make enough money to be able to afford them. In fact most of my musician friends who've seen our systems have two comments: 1) I want them really bad! 2) I can't afford them. This is a problem and I have certainly let the Bose folks know that. Part of our job as "beta testers" is to be honest about our experiences with the system and report back others' comments. Not that the people I deal with there have much to do with the price anyway, we have mostly dealt with the engineering folks who've been fantastic. But I guess they'll find out soon enough whether this pricing will work for them. I disagree that it's not revolutionary, though. None of the individual technologies that make up the system are revolutionary in themselves, but the sum of the parts - the CONCEPT - really is. The ability for musicians and their audience to hear virtually the exact same mix is pretty unprecedented. For the band to be able to control their own sound and know that it will translate to the audience as we intend it to sound, is also a new thing - at least for amplified musicians. Again, it's hard to get a grip on how different it really is until you hear it and use it. And the fact that it's so easy to carry around and set up while still providing PLENTY of volume for the average club, doesn't suck either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikertrash Posted October 29, 2003 Share Posted October 29, 2003 Originally posted by robb.: despite my extreme distaste for bose in the home, i've actually heard some good things about their PAs, though i have yet to hear a good sounding bose PA. I have a bunch of experience with the Bose 502 + sub woofer system and they are absolutely astounding IF you put enough power to them. I mean like 3k plus of Crown Macrotech bridged into the sub alone. Anything less and it either sounded bad or the sub blew. Big bands, big bars, all mic'd up, loud proud and ripping ears off. It all seemed kind of pointless in the long run. No one was saving any money and whatever weight that was saved by speakers was negated by the weight of the power amps. The only thing we were saving was floor space on stage. I've also dealt with BOSE on a corp. level and they can be at best...frustrating. JeremyC you are performing at a level that should be getting some attention from Bose. If fact, I think what you're doing is EXACTLY what they are looking for. You can choose to wait while they wade through a bazillion contacts and hope that you don't fall through the cracks but I might give some thought to going pro-active if you really want to be an endorser. You want to know if they are serious? They want to know if you're serious about Bose as well. I don't mean to get all preachy but, been there/done that. Ya got's ta jump through them there hoops. Especially with Bose Corp. who, as a group, are totally convinced that their dookie smells like roses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Flier Posted October 29, 2003 Share Posted October 29, 2003 bikertrash, That may have been your experience with Bose but it has not been mine. Bose advertised for a one time deal. They were looking for a set number of bands to demo and beta test their system. All I did was fill out an application like anybody else and they called me. I did not have to jump through any hoops, they said they liked my band and we fit what they were looking for and they've taken care of everything ever since - flew me up there for training, sent us all the gear we needed, have provided great support and constant access to the senior engineers. In fact they've done way more than we could have asked for. And they do NOT have an attitude, they've acted more like they're working for US and are very thankful to us for being willing to pioneer a new concept. I might add that this project is a separate division of Bose and I don't know if this division does things differently than the rest of the company, but the senior engineers are nearly all musicians themselves and are great folks. I'm sure a lot of deserving bands got passed over. My band has applied for a lot of things like this in the past and been passed over. That's just the way it goes with these things... I will ask whether they ever plan to take on any more endorsees but I got the impression this was a one time thing, for the purpose of introducing the product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikertrash Posted October 29, 2003 Share Posted October 29, 2003 Lee Flyer and anyone else who cares: Let me make one thing perfectly clear. I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR PROMOTION OR YOUR PARTICULAR SITUATION. My experience with Bose has been as a professional comercial installer. I've dealt with that side of the corp. and their 502 systems in personal use. I've been to their schools, been through their indoctrination and dealt with their tech support staff. I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THEIR ARTIST REPRESENTATION OR SUPPORT STRUCTURE. I'm glad that your Bose corp. experience is positive and I hope it continues to be so. You certainly seem to be doing everything the corp. likes to see it's representatives do. I would however suggest that if at any time you find their products to be anything less than "revolutionary" and superior in all ways, you keep that opinion to yourself as you will in all likelihood find your experience going downhill at an alarming rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Flier Posted October 29, 2003 Share Posted October 29, 2003 Actually I've been quite forthcoming with my opinions, including negative ones. I let them know right away that I'm not capable of kissing ass or keeping my opinions to myself, as anybody knows who's read my posts on these forums long enough. Bose let us know in no uncertain terms that they value negative input as much if not more than positive and that having any negative opinions would in no way jeopardize their commitment to us. Since this is a new thing, they're trying to learn as much as they can from us so they can improve the product. If that ever changed, I can only think it would be because we decided the system totally wouldn't work for us - in which case we wouldn't care if our relationship with Bose went downhill because we wouldn't want to be heard using their stuff anyway. We made it clear before signing the deal that if we didn't like the product we could walk away from it, because nobody wants to depend on gear that sounds bad or is unreliable, for their band's whole live sound! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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