Wally Malone Posted May 31, 2003 Share Posted May 31, 2003 I'll be playing a gig at the Edgewater in Laughlin, Nevada from June 10-15 with the Fleetwood Mac Tribute Band I play with. The leader called me today and said that they won't let us use speakers there and that we would be using in-ear monitors. Knowing this topic has come up in the past I did a search and read the threads. I imagine that I could go direct from my pedal board but it's got me wondering what players have been doing lately, such as using a pre-amp, a DI, a POD and if any of these options are better than others? The gig is at the Edgewater. Has anyone else played there and if so what was your experience? Wally I have basses to play, places to be and good music to make! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassaddik Posted May 31, 2003 Share Posted May 31, 2003 wish i oul come out and see ya- its about an hour away- i used in -ears in the show i was playing- bring a preamp thaat you like- it will be strange at first- but it will be ok- laughlin is a smll casino town- bing a good book- have fun!- peace, Adrian Praise ye the LORD. ....praise him with stringed instruments and organs... Let every thing that hath breath praise the LORD. excerpt from- Psalm 150 visit me at: www.adriangarcia.net for His glory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clatteramy Posted May 31, 2003 Share Posted May 31, 2003 Hey Wally, I just started using in-ear monitors, but my situation is a little different. We still have our full set-up on stage but I have a sequencer with a click and a piano vocal pitch cue coming into one ear. I don't use the monitor in the other ear, I just use my regular fitted earplug so I can hear the stage volume of my bass. Although I can't speak to what your setup will be like, I can say that I was a little worried about getting used to playing with the monitors, especially when I thought I would have to hear my bass through them, but once you get a good mix they're actually pretty fun. I thought it felt a lot like recording. Sorry I could be more useful, but good luck at the gig! www.clatter.com MySpace YouTube videos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tnb Posted May 31, 2003 Share Posted May 31, 2003 I played at the Edgewater and I didn't use an amp, but they had monitors. I haven't been there in years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveC Posted May 31, 2003 Share Posted May 31, 2003 Our band has been using in-ears for the last few gigs. I just go from a DI box to the FOH. The secret is getting a good mix. We were able to do that once and it was great. The problem for us is that most of the time we don't get a chance for much or a FOH sound check, let alone a monitor check. Sorry....started bitching there for a second. Anyway, they are a bit wierd at first, but the benifits are the ability to hear (or not) whatever you want, and they also act as ear plugs by blocking out excessive volume, those damn cymbyls, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prague Posted May 31, 2003 Share Posted May 31, 2003 I've been doing in-ear for years. Start by listening to your pedalboard output direct to any mixer. Monitor it with headphones and see what you get. I have yet to hear a bass that sounds "bad" when going direct. If it sounds okay, then a DI is fine. Anything from there will be tone-shaping. I go straight into the board having converted my "pedalboard" signal with a hi-to-low Z transformer. Interesting that a venue doesn't allow speakers. Right up my alley since my entire band "goes direct". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wally Malone Posted May 31, 2003 Author Share Posted May 31, 2003 Thanks to all the have replied so far. I talked to the leader this morning and she gave me a little more info. It looks like they have an electronic drum kit that they want the drummer to use, the drummer is out of town this weekend and doesn't know this yet. The guitar player is a little bent over this since this is a rock thing and is concerned about the overdriven distortion he gets from the amp. The leader and lead vocalist was concerned about wearing a pack since she wears dresses and they told her they would give her a floor monitor. I'm sure that they must have a good DI for the bass, as I learn more from them I'll post it. Thanks again, Wally I have basses to play, places to be and good music to make! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doug_hti Posted June 1, 2003 Share Posted June 1, 2003 just direct out of the pedal board or even a head to a DI straight to monitor world or FOH. Just make sure they have a nice limiter on your ears. The standard is a dominator II. Ears is a liability for venues and rental companies, so if they are half way smart and are ASKING you guys to use ears, I would imagine they have a good multiband limiter. Just pray it's not some crappy 166. Finalizers work good as well. If they do have a external limiter on it and the system is a Shure PSM600 or 700, then open up where the battery is and turn off the built in limiter, you will hate life if this is getting hit. And you may want to do the high frequency boost. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Capasso Posted June 2, 2003 Share Posted June 2, 2003 I'd love a picture of the setup. Maybe that would help your band understand what they will get and what they won't (like the guitar using an amp for his sound). Seems like the guitar will have to make the biggest adjustment. Does he/she have any kind of overdrive/distortion unit? Good Luck!! Tom www.stoneflyrocks.com Acoustic Color Be practical as well as generous in your ideals. Keep your eyes on the stars and keep your feet on the ground. - Theodore Roosevelt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timothy Lyons Posted June 2, 2003 Share Posted June 2, 2003 Now, in-ear monitors sound like a pretty good idea, especially for me and I tend to roam around the stage. But using a wireless system, I would need two wireless packs correct? Does this create an issue anyone? \m/ Timothy Lyons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc taz Posted June 2, 2003 Share Posted June 2, 2003 Tim, as long as the wireless unit for the bass and the in-ear monitors are on different channels, it shouldn't be a problem. Only way to know, of course, is by doing the ol' sound check. sevenstring.org profile my flickr page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wally Malone Posted June 3, 2003 Author Share Posted June 3, 2003 Originally posted by Tom Capasso: Seems like the guitar will have to make the biggest adjustment. Does he/she have any kind of overdrive/distortion unit? Good Luck!! TomAfter talking to the leader, she said that the guitar player is having the most problems accepting this. We're hoping they may be a little flexible and maybe allow his amp coming from a side of the stage instead of facing the crowd. Wally I have basses to play, places to be and good music to make! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prague Posted June 3, 2003 Share Posted June 3, 2003 Wally, what about the (almost) good ol' POD or equivalent. J-stations are cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wally Malone Posted June 3, 2003 Author Share Posted June 3, 2003 Originally posted by paostby: Wally, what about the (almost) good ol' POD or equivalent. J-stations are cheap.That had entered my mind, but after hearing what everyone had to say hear and talking with another friend who is a very good sound engineer I'm not worried about going direct. Fortunately I have a good sounding bass, I'll be using my Alembic six-string. Wally I have basses to play, places to be and good music to make! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Capasso Posted June 3, 2003 Share Posted June 3, 2003 Wally, when paostby asked about the POD, I figured he meant for your guitarist. It might be a way of recreating a familiar sound. Tom www.stoneflyrocks.com Acoustic Color Be practical as well as generous in your ideals. Keep your eyes on the stars and keep your feet on the ground. - Theodore Roosevelt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wally Malone Posted June 3, 2003 Author Share Posted June 3, 2003 Originally posted by Tom Capasso: Wally, when paostby asked about the POD, I figured he meant for your guitarist. It might be a way of recreating a familiar sound. TomActually, he does have a unit like a POD, don't know if he's ever used it on a gig. Haven't talked to him directly yet, just heard about his dissatisfaction from the band leader. Wally I have basses to play, places to be and good music to make! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prague Posted June 3, 2003 Share Posted June 3, 2003 Yes, I meant for the guitar. He's being too fussy if he thinks modelers are unuseable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randy clay Posted June 3, 2003 Share Posted June 3, 2003 Wally, In-ears are a blast. Are you singing? They really help you to hear yourself and the blend. That Alembic will probably sound great. Are they suppling the in-ears? It would seem that something you stick in your ear, should be a personal thing, not recycled from another user. My family group uses in-ears from Carvin, and I love 'em. But the ear peices we are using doesn't have a lot of bass, and the low frequencies buzz. I researched getting better ones, but WOW, they are expensive. You need to see a audiologist, they take a mold of your ear, but you can get a two driver unit for about $800. A little out of my range at the moment. Have fun! Randy from Waikoloa I'm trying to think but nuthin' happens.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wally Malone Posted June 4, 2003 Author Share Posted June 4, 2003 Randy, I'm assuming, that since this is a casino with new acts coming in weekly, there must be some sort of changeable outer part to the in-ears. Also assuming that what they have should be quality equipment since I know they even have an electronic drum kit. Hope I not assuming too much, I guess I'll find out soon. Wally I have basses to play, places to be and good music to make! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Capasso Posted June 4, 2003 Share Posted June 4, 2003 I never thought about the hygenic side of this. Bring some alcohol and cotton pads. or even some of that alcohol based antibacterial stuff that evaporates... Tom www.stoneflyrocks.com Acoustic Color Be practical as well as generous in your ideals. Keep your eyes on the stars and keep your feet on the ground. - Theodore Roosevelt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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