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hmm... i don't like djs. the wreck the music. hate techno with it's gay squeaks that sound like mobile phones. hate synthed drums that are real quick but take absolultely no talent compared to a real drummer (and hence sound like sh!t). what does everyone else think of DJ'd music?
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Not again... This is ground we've covered before. In my mind, DJs fall into the same category as arrangers or conductors. There are skilled DJs who can put together a blistering set that builds over hours, taking their audience on a sublime trip, and there are DJs who suck and every transition between cuts is a train wreck. So my opinion is...some are great, some suck. Gee, kinda like any musicians...
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[quote]Originally posted by sheX: [b]hmm... i don't like djs. the wreck the music. hate techno with it's gay squeaks[/b][/quote]hmmm... gay? i know your intent is to offend (and maybe find some new online buddies that are as dumb as you), but let's try it [i]without[/i] the homophobic references. hey everybody, don't waste your time checking out her website. it's not very good.
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Well, at least he's presenting his position as an opinion. "I don't like.....I hate....." If someone doesn't like something then I've got no business trying to change that. As for me: DJ's - I've got no use for them. I think there are some DJs who are really, really good at what they do. To do it that good must take some kind of talent, practice and creativity. Is it the same kind of work that it takes to master an instrument such as piano or guitar? I'm inclined to say no. I think much of the art of writing and performing a piece of music on an instrument lies in a good knowledge of the priciples of music theory. A DJ doesn't necessarily have to reley on that theory. To me, that separates the two.
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[b]Boy...er ah Girl! you really made a lot of friends with that statement. [/b] Being a musician who was at one time was a DJ while going to college. I believe that they both require equal amounts of skill. Different kinds of skill in similar areas. You have to know what music works and what doesn't. When something you play may break or make a piece of music/feeling/mood. Electronica has its merits. Have you ever heard of Switched On Bach? Never really thought of one being more or less musical than the other. Some folks dig it. Some folks don't. I happen to be one who does and I don't dis the folks that don't. No matter what [b]YOU[/b] may like there will be someone out there who [b]HATES[/b] it. Hopefully the folks on this forum will be mature enough not to fall victim to this sucker punch/flame fanning post. RobT

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followup: i had a few minutes to check out some of she's previous posts (actually, she's a he ;) ). he's a high school kid who's a beginning rock bassist. he seems excited about music, but he's still at the stage where his questions are about how to hold the bass and whether it's cool to put stickers on it. i've been there. we all have. when i was that age, though, i can't say i [i]hated[/i] any other types of music. well, i guess i hated whatever my parents were listening to, but i liked maiden, inxs, police, led zep, and i even had some miles albums. it seems that sheX's into non-programmed music, that's cool (i personally enjoy programming drums and am getting pretty good, but i'm also a decent drummer). [b]sheX:[/b] you don't have to like everything. in fact, explaining [i]why[/i] you don't like something (which you did) will make it clearer to yourself why you like the stuff you do. this is a great time for you! keep playing, and listen to everything you can get your hands & ears on. keep having strong opinions about music. and keep rocking.
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Abeck: As for me: DJ's - I've got no use for them. [how about playing your great artistic music] I think there are some DJs who are really, really good at what they do. To do it that good must take some kind of talent, practice and creativity. Is it the same kind of work that it takes to master an instrument such as piano or guitar? I'm inclined to say no. I think much of the art of writing and performing a piece of music on an instrument lies in a good knowledge of the priciples of music theory. A DJ doesn't necessarily have to reley on that theory. To me, that separates the two. [nobody has to rely on that theory, lots of musicians dont rely on that theory, how does that separate them. thelonious monk hates that theory. BB king doesn't subscribe to that theory, what about drummers they don't use instruments like guitarist or pianist, but they are musicians. musicianship isn't determined by what you use but how you use it, this is elementary because anything can be used for a musical instrument. A washboard, a block of wood, strings and hammers, and even turntables, i'll give you one thing though, that was the first time i ever read some one say that you needed theory to produce art :freak:
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Why the automatic assumption that DJs aren't musicians? I know quite a few who work both sides of the fence, playing instruments and bands but also DJing. Seems the two skills complement each other. If you're lucky enough to have a DJ in your band, that's the person to put together the set list!!
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[quote]Originally posted by Anderton: [b]Why the automatic assumption that DJs aren't musicians? Seems the two skills complement each other.[/b][/quote]Sure, they can compliment each other, but they are two different sets of skills aren't they? They way that a DJ performs/practices/adapts is inherently different than they way an instrumentalist would. To me, this makes them 2 completely different things, even though they exist in the same arena. Let me just stress that I have no problem with DJs. I'm sure some DJs are producing some amazing music that is creative, new and interesting. I'd have to agree that they are more along the lines of a composer/arranger.
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[url=http://zmax.org/supergreg/sgdotcom/]Here ia s link that should end ALL debate.[/url] Don't forget to download the Classic performances at the bottom of the page.
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[quote]Originally posted by KHAN: [b] [url=http://zmax.org/supergreg/sgdotcom/]Here ia s link that should end ALL debate.[/url] Don't forget to download the Classic performances at the bottom of the page.[/b][/quote]LOL.. The first "performance" is definitely the most awe-inspiring of the two.
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[quote]Originally posted by Ken/Eleven Shadows: [b]It's amazing how someone spinning tunes can get older people's panties in a bunch.[/b][/quote]Uhhh... SheX is 16. And I don't particularly care for the kind of music he listens to either, but I don't believe that everybody of any age is in lock step with each other musically. Anybody of any age is as welcome not to like DJ's as they are to like Frank Sinatra. I always hated the idea of people telling me what music I should or shouldn't like just because of my age - hated it when I was 16, too, since I wasn't listening to the same stuff as my peers then either. --Lee
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[i]"Sometimes as a DJ U have these 'golden moments' when everything seems to flow. You never know when they are going to happen. It's funny, on this particular occasion I wasn't thinking about DJing at all, but about a sweet girl I once met at a bus station. [/i] I myself have never had a 'golden moment' at a bus station, although I have been in some bus stations where they occurred...maybe it's all the free beer that caused everything to flow? :eek:
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[quote]Originally posted by Chris100: [b] [quote]Originally posted by KHAN: [b] [url=http://zmax.org/supergreg/sgdotcom/]Here ia s link that should end ALL debate.[/url] Don't forget to download the Classic performances at the bottom of the page.[/b][/quote]LOL.. The first "performance" is definitely the most awe-inspiring of the two.[/b][/quote]Now I do understand all those "Dj - Haters" :eek: That guy SUCKS !!!!!

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to me, sheX is talking about two different hates, for what it`s worth. DJs are people you go to listen to at a club, and there`s a fairly big variety of music among them-not all of it the usual techno/electronica stuff with the monotonous beats. Techno by itself gets a good amount of airplay these days, so sheX may be talking about what`s on the radio. I`ve always favored live music over people spinning records, BUT I also love to dance. I like house music personally, where it`s an original mix of sounds. At least it`s being creative.
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[quote]Originally posted by KHAN: [b] [url=http://zmax.org/supergreg/sgdotcom/]Here ia s link that should end ALL debate.[/url] Don't forget to download the Classic performances at the bottom of the page.[/b][/quote]The Truth Is Out There.... [img]http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/bc870647/bc/My+Photo+Album/Bertdone.jpg?bcfSAJ9ASJqb5RPu[/img]
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Didn't that "Supergreg" guy used to play with "Sparks"? :D :D :D My own opinion... sheX can't really be wrong. It's an [b][i]OPINION[/i][/b]. Opinions aren't right or wrong, they're opinions (of course, the saying goes, opinions are like assholes, everybody's got one, and they all stink). If I was to say "I hate Chinese food. It sucks"...(I love Chinese food by the way), well, perhaps I could phrase it a bit more constructively, but I wouldn't be right or wrong. I'd be stating an opinion. As to the "gay" reference...the term is widely used among teenagers nowadays to connotate something that is "unhip". I'm sure many younger teenagers have heard it so much in that context, they are more or less unaware of its more traditional meaning, y'know..."happy"... :D :D :D And, I like to dance, too. But, what I like to dance to and what 95% of the population consider "dance music" do not converge. But, then again, that's opinion.
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One of the skills that a good DJ and a good musician will have in common is the ability to LISTEN, very important. Most of the acrimony here is from DJs taking work from musicians. Yeah the times they are a'changing, and the future now will later be past. Somebody slap me, quick.
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[quote]Originally posted by Lee Flier: [b] [quote]Originally posted by Ken/Eleven Shadows: [b]It's amazing how someone spinning tunes can get older people's panties in a bunch.[/b][/quote]Uhhh... SheX is 16. --Lee[/b][/quote]I'm a freakin' moron. I meant to type "other", not "older". But that was an interesting typo, eh?
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