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Hi! I'm not talking about big financed, perfectly mixed, Christmas stocking fillers here! Our band have played a few gigs in the last week or two and due to a lack of funds and a fall out with the studio, we can't get a new batch of demo's run off (well we can but confrontation ain't my speciality).

 

We used a mini disc player plugged straight into the mixing desk at the gigs to record (for our own mis-use) the shows. People keep asking us after gigs have we a C.D to sell..we say YEAH, but we've none with us! So we've considered running off a batch of C.Ds, a sort of studio and live mixture. The 3 demo'ed songs first...then the best live tunes. The sound quality of the live music is a bit on/off. We were recording the pre-house mix (apparently it's much more difficult to record the house mix?!) a friend said he could tidy this up by mixing the levels on pc (is there any specialised programmes/equipment needed?).

 

Have any of you guys tried this?

 

Did it work out o.k?

 

What are the legal implications (the studio owns the copyright of the recording on the demo)?

 

We don't intend to package this (proposed) package as the demo, we intend to charge much less due to cheaper production (or lack of it ;) )

costs. I think it would be a good thing to send of to promoters, companies etc as it would show how the band operate in the two different enviroments.

 

What do you think? Thanx in advance.

 

CupMcMali...this monkey's gone to heaven :freak:

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So here is the question regarding your demos...did the studio keep the masters? If so, then I believe they may have some "right" to it. I dunno, check the recording forum for an answer on that one. As far as live CDs...just don't have covers on it, unless you have the permission of the artist (aka royalties), unless the song is public domain, like a classical tune that you gus reved up.

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I'm with BenLoy - what's with the copyright?

 

I'd also listen carefully to the material. Once you're selling it, there's no turning back. Any vocal "ambiguities" live forever.

 

Originally posted by Bumpcity:

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THe studio owns the copyright of the recording, not the songs. We never got the master as we were told at the time of recording that it was standard practice for the studio to keep this. It was our first time in a studio and it seemed perfectly normal to us (are we really that green?).

 

Regarding covers; we've a couple in our live set (helter skelter and paint it black) but don't intend to put them on as we're trying to put our own stuff out.

 

Thanx :)

 

CupMcMali...this monkey's gone to heaven :freak:

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That studio is bullshitting you!! They cannot own any recording (much less copyright) unless you have not paid them!! If you paid the studio for their time the master is yours, PERIOD! Did you sign any contracts with the studio?? If so, what?? And how can a recording be copyrighted and not the songs? You may have to use 'confrontation' (and a lawyer or policeman) to make them cough up what they 'think' is theirs!
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They don't own the copyright unless you signed something you probably shouldn't have (I don't know I hope they didn't actually use those words). But if you have not paid them in full for their services then they indeed do own the masters and are not obligated to release any copies until you have settled any outstanding debts with them.

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We paid in full, and signed nothing. The studio implied that they kept the master. They also advised us on copyright law (i.e they were helpful in supplying us with phone numbers and contacts etc) After the honeymoon period...."WOW look/listen !! We've a demo out" We had a stupid fall out with the studio and there's been no contact since.

 

Maybe I should just drive up and get it sorted.

 

Tom, regarding the performances, we played a 1 hour set for both of the two shows. We're confident we can muster a few really good, consistent tracks from 2 hours of music. As I've said before, we don't intend to put this out white label or anything....Just something to sell at our gigs...The main thing is to get the demo reproduced. Since we've got some live stuff lying about I thought an add on "The Cusp live at the Rosey" would be a nice, and inexpensive extra.

 

My main concern is whether or not something recorded via the methods we've used can be successfully transferred to C.D...whether or not the mixing on a P.C will work. Our friend seems confident he can mix something up....Have any of you guys mixed from Mini-Disc plugged into the Desk, through a P.C, burnt onto C.D and been happy with the results ?

 

We're going up to mix on Sunday, so I'll let you know after, If it's worthwhile venture.

 

THanx....CupMcMali. :freak:

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What is the problem with the studio then?

 

As for copyrights that's your problem if your intending to sell a disk of cover tunes (i.e. you don't own the copyrights you have to pay the people who do.)

 

The live recordings should be ok to use if your happy with the performances and the quality or the recordings.

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CupMcMali,

 

Not too familiar with your copyright laws, I guess they could be different from ours, but, you own the copyright of both the song and the recording. You hired the studio to record you, so, the work is still yours. Stick to your guns.

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Your copyright laws are likely different from US laws. I dunno, but under your laws, they may have mechanical rights to the recording of the performance that took place in their studio, particularly if you (likely without knowing it) signed those rights away in some sort of form. I think the first step is to reconnect with the studio, and find out what basis they have for claiming rights.

 

If you can add those demo recordings to your CD, great. But if not, I wouldn't spend a penny (or more important, a single minute) figuring out how to wrestle over it with the CD. Life is too short, money is too tight - and there's no point in wasting either on a battle over a demo recording.

 

Instead, I'd put together a live CD, and get your stuff out there. What's most important is to have SOMETHING to put in people's hands at your shows when they ask for it - frankly, 4 songs is enough.

 

Finally, I think a short "all live" CD is way cooler than a mix of studio/live stuff - a mix of studio/live implies that you really think all the recordings are the best representations of your material, and this may not be true. An "all live" CD suggests that you have the guts and the chops to put out a no-frills, naked recording; it also suggests that you may not have the cash at this point to invest in fancy studio time. And it sounds to me like your band would appreciate more the latter description (i.e. - gutsy, talented, and broke).

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Ta Music-Man, I never even thought of that. You may have just gave us the title, Gutsy, talented and broke....well 2 outta 3 ain't bad ;)

 

We still have to go up and mix the songs yet. I'm not expecting wonders, but then again, what with upping our rehearsal schedule recently and the gigs we've been doing (roughly one a week) we've got the songs down to a tee, so I'm confident there's at least four goodun's there.

 

Cheers for all the help.

 

CupMcMali...this monkey's gone to heaven :freak:

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Well, just back from the mixing session. Things are usually better in theory than in real life. We cut 3 (yeah only 3) that we're happyish with. I think we'll have to look at alternative ways of recording live shows....and more time at rehearsal on the dying note of a song....It's so dam easy when playing to (should that be FOR) a crowd of people to overplay, or forget that little drum patter and replace it with a 3 time round the kit extravaganza !! Ohh, I'm guilty as charged too :D

 

We'll let a couple of pals hear the mix and then decide wether or not to run with the idea.

 

Still learnt a few things though.

 

CupMcMali...this monkey's gone to Iceland :freak:

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