Uh Clem Posted April 25, 2002 Share Posted April 25, 2002 I'm talking about the ones who have some "apparent" status in the industry, but will not put their real names to their posts. Steve Powell - Bull Moon Digital www.bullmoondigital.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franknputer Posted April 25, 2002 Share Posted April 25, 2002 What are you getting at, Steve?? Frank N. Puter nunyadambidness productions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedster Posted April 25, 2002 Share Posted April 25, 2002 I don't think he's talking about joke posters like Axl and Lemmy (not me, BTW)...but people who post anonymously as though they have some clout: "I'm head of A&R at RCA records...blah yadda blah" but won't back it up with naming themselves. "Cisco Kid, was a friend of mine" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uh Clem Posted April 26, 2002 Author Share Posted April 26, 2002 [quote]Originally posted by franknputer: [b]What are you getting at, Steve?? Frank N. Puter nunyadambidness productions[/b][/quote]Hypothetical Examples: [i] "I used a $250,000 harmonica chain to make another $12mil seller - no I can't say who I am or who the band is (you might think it sux and then I'd look like a putz)." "Why does LindaR sound so bad, I like the songs, but, ugh! the sound of it." "ACME Widgets suck and I(guess who ;) ;) sorry can't tell ya :p ) know because my reputation for golden ears in the industry is well-respected(by other secret agents)..." [/i] Those kinda guys... and then the inevitable follow ups: [i] "who is this bone-head and what makes his opinion matter?" "oh, if you (lemmings) knew who (s)he was (but I'm not gonna tell you - tisk, tisk), and saw his/her wall full of platinum (surely you've heard tons of his/her work on the radio), you'd believe her/him..." [/i] And then you have others like Dave Reitzas, John Parterno, and many others, along with our very own GM, RN, EdC, DF, CA, etc. that own up to and put their names to their comments like most of us "regular guys" do. It really annoys me to no end with their silly "secret squares" game. I say if you cannot post with conviction, then...you suck. Uhhh, that's kinda what I was getting at...but, you weren't really looking for all that were ya ;) ....sorry :o Steve Powell - Bull Moon Digital www.bullmoondigital.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHAN Posted April 26, 2002 Share Posted April 26, 2002 Well, if I told ya who I was, I'd have to kill ya. . . . ...out of sheer embarrassment. ;) So Many Drummers. So Little Time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coxnvox Posted April 26, 2002 Share Posted April 26, 2002 Nice post, Steve. I've always thought that to be kind of an arrogant thing when I see posts like the ones you mention above. I would guess Craig, Roger, George and the other real pros are all comfortable enough with their talents to freely express their opinions "on the record," while the posers just have an insatiable need for people to think they're important. Out, kc Oh, I mean kerry cox, and I have my CD mounted on my wall...I sold enough copies of it to only lose $4,000... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alphajerk Posted April 26, 2002 Share Posted April 26, 2002 well, i had a guy come in the studio the other day [okay, a few weeks back now] with an album and said, "can you make me sound like THAT?" i open the cover and hello, John Paterno is the freakin engineer. and i might add, it sounds wonderful. the real reason is, all the money and the best of equipment and millions of sales dont really mean SHIT. there are TONS of gifted and talented folks around the world doing music who arent some flavor of the week superstar engineer/producer... its just insecurity, and all of that means very little in life anyways. i voted "they suck" but in reality, i just dont care... if they want to use a pen name, thats their business. alphajerk FATcompilation "if god is truly just, i tremble for the fate of my country" -thomas jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip OKeefe Posted April 26, 2002 Share Posted April 26, 2002 Steve, I can certainly understand what you're feeling. Personally, I post my name on EVERY post I make - if someone wants to check up on me, or contact me, then they should have no problems in doing so - not that I'm in the same ballpark as some of the people you mentioned or anything. :rolleyes: But my point is, I don't feel like I have anything to hide, and I stand behind my beliefs and opinions - and therefore, I have no problem doing so with my "name" attached. However, I DO know some people who ARE heavy hitters who DO keep their true identity hidden. Some of them are known to me personally, some by name and reputation, and I'm sure there's others who are not known to me at all. Personally, I'd say a large percentage of those "I can't tell you who I am but I'm a legend" posts are pure unadulterated BS (and you can oftentimes tell which is which by the tone and content of the posts). However, some of them are not... Mixerman for example, is a very well known and successful guy.Yeah, you probably HAVE heard his stuff on the radio. No, I'm not going to tell you his name (and please don't give out any hints Curve)... why the big secret? Well, he has his reasons, which he's explained to me, and I can understand them. Hey, if YOU were famous, would YOU want everything you said being open to microscopic examination by every kook out there? Tick off the wrong nutcase, and you could end up like John Lennon. One of many reasons why I carry a sidearm and train regularly... :evil: In any event, I gave Mixerman my word that I'd keep it to myself and honor his wishes. After all, it's HIS business if he wants to reveal his identity or not, not MY decision to make for him. Again, I'm not really a "name" - I've done a few things, worked with a few "names", had a few sales, but so have plenty of other people here. Even still, I litterally get dozens of emails on any typical day from various people from this and other boards / forums I frequent. Some with well thought out, well worded questions... and some that are quite confusing and require extensive thinking / decryption and long complicated answers, and some that are, to put it mildly, WAY out there on some other planet. I try to answer all of them. That takes time, and as Madonna said "time is money, and the money is MINE" :D But I'm flattered that people think I might be able to help them and respect me enough to ask me questions, and I believe that it's important to "give back". A lot of incredible people helped me when I was getting started in audio (and still do to this day) and one of the wisest (who shall go nameless ;) ) once told me, when I was thanking him for all his help, to "give it back" when my time came along. I never forgot that, and I try to live by it. But I'm no big "name" producer or anything - can you imagine how much email Craig or GM or Chris Stone get on a hourly basis? If I was in that "class", I might think long and hard about keeping MY identity a secret too. Anyway, just a few random thoughts on a subject that, IMO, has valid arguments on both sides of the fence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alphajerk Posted April 26, 2002 Share Posted April 26, 2002 phil, i dont think hes talking about MM... but PeeTee has some splainin to do. alphajerk FATcompilation "if god is truly just, i tremble for the fate of my country" -thomas jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip OKeefe Posted April 26, 2002 Share Posted April 26, 2002 For the record, I voted "they do not suck", but that would only apply to those who are REALLY "name" cats who for whatever personal reasons, want to stay annon. I'd have voted "they SUCK" for the faux "legends". As far as I'm concerned, you can drag all of them out of the bushes that you want. :) Hey alpha, in the times I've talked to him, I've come to the feeling that John's a very nice guy to boot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve LeBlanc Posted April 26, 2002 Share Posted April 26, 2002 I voted "they SUCK" just because I thought it was funnier :) I've always defended anonymous posters' right to be anonymous...it's easy enough to tell the bullshitters from the real folk most of the time...when you can't it's often entertaining enough. http://www.youtube.com/notesleb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alphajerk Posted April 26, 2002 Share Posted April 26, 2002 [quote]Originally posted by Phil O'Keefe: [b]Hey alpha, in the times I've talked to him, I've come to the feeling that John's a very nice guy to boot![/b][/quote]yes, john is one of the good people in this twisted world. alphajerk FATcompilation "if god is truly just, i tremble for the fate of my country" -thomas jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip OKeefe Posted April 26, 2002 Share Posted April 26, 2002 [quote]Originally posted by alphajerk: [b]phil, i dont think hes talking about MM... but PeeTee has some splainin to do.[/b][/quote]Yeah, I could be totally wrong, but my personal BS meter gets pegged when I read a lot of his posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Studio Pet-Rock Posted April 26, 2002 Share Posted April 26, 2002 Okay. Fuck it.I'm really Danny Bonaduchi!!! Now, can one of the BIG people on this forum PLEASE hook me up with a major label??!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alndln Posted April 26, 2002 Share Posted April 26, 2002 [quote]Originally posted by alphajerk: [b]PeeTee has some splainin to do.[/b][/quote]Exactly what I was thinking.After we find out maybe a chase through the village with torches in hand is in order. :idea: "A Robot Playing Trumpet Blows" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
videoeditor1 Posted April 26, 2002 Share Posted April 26, 2002 There are all kinds of people on these boards. On one of the many sides of this meeting place, there are those that are easily impressed by name dropping and association. Then there are those that name drop and affiliate. Then there are those that are so deep into their tech world, that if BB King stopped by, they wouldn't notice. Etc etc. Me personally, I'm more impressed with the people behind the talent than the talent themselves. It's the people that make the shows and the studios run that I associate with, cuz they do most of the grunt work. So Neil {as a typical example} (Fantastic Sound) gets pretty high ratings in my book. Steely Dan & Roger Nicols do not. I do not own Steely Dan records. I would not be able to recognize a SINGLE Steely Dan song as being from them if it were played for me. This is not to detract from the quality of work and the body of exerience that the Steely Dan team have. Roger has my respect for being a forum moderator. Beyond that...until I am exposed to his works, I have formulated little or no opinions. Craig has maximum props in my book, as does George M. I've always sought out to treat every "man" as a "man", until they prove otherwise. Phil & Jules and Tinder and Nika & Dan S & Dgauss(and :) yes, Cereal and Coaster ;) ) all the other THOUSANDS of contributors to these forums are the people that make me come back. It is the contribution of those people that have similiar experiences as I do, that fight the fights that I do, that have the same struggles, face the same fears - and hopefully conquer them...it is that group of people that are close and dear to me. A while back, there was a guy... I think it was "Produceher" was somewhat embrioled in a discussion. We asked him to "out" himself, and he did...requesting that people not call him much etc as a result. From my perspective, I thought that was odd. (To borrow a phrase from "The Curve"), NYC Drew would never attempt to establish (specifically voice / in person) communication with anyone on these forums without there express and explicit permission. Maybe it's because I've been around the block a few times? ...and really, at the end of the day, if you're living a honest life, who the hell cares who Mixerman is? I don't. He's not going to turn my turd into gold, and he, like anyone else has to take a dump a few times a week... NYC Drew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip OKeefe Posted April 26, 2002 Share Posted April 26, 2002 [b][i]BAM![/b][/i] (Sound of NYC Drew hitting the nail squarely on the head REALLY hard). :wave: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franknputer Posted April 26, 2002 Share Posted April 26, 2002 NYC Drew has it right on the $! For me, I was just jerkin' the chain a bit, as I like to do here :D I don't have a problem with using my name, I've just cultivated the franknputer handle in a few places. I doubt any of y'all would know of me, although you might very well have heard some of my work. I'm one of those guys who's just worked away for a long time, never getting famous - just getting paid. (And I don't mean rich, either - but I've made a living at doing audio full time.) I've worked with big names & small names and no-names - and at the end of the day, they're just folks. Some have talent, some are just lucky; some are friendly & helpful, some are prima-donna assholes. And what I've seen is that fame has nothing to do with which of these categories they might end up in. I hope I fall into the good ones, myself - and I'll keep posting my opinions, trying to be helpful, or just being silly. (Which, BTW, I also believe is a positive contribution to the world. :) ) Christopher Kemp aka franknputer :wave: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP3 Posted April 26, 2002 Share Posted April 26, 2002 I could care less if someone posts with their name or not. I do think that it's a good idea to provide a real email address in the profile so that someone can be contacted off the forum. I've noticed that the trolls [b]never[/b] leave an email address. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coxnvox Posted April 26, 2002 Share Posted April 26, 2002 [quote]Originally posted by mdpetrick@yahoo.com: [b]Okay. Fuck it.I'm really Danny Bonaduchi!!! Now, can one of the BIG people on this forum PLEASE hook me up with a major label??!![/b][/quote]Danny, didn't you spell your name wrong? ;) I do that all the time, too. But hey, you can play air bass on ANY of my recordings... Later, kc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Flier Posted April 26, 2002 Share Posted April 26, 2002 I can't really answer the poll because (as with most polls) I don't think there is an answer that applies to every situation. I would PREFER, in general, that people posted their real names. But I can also totally understand why someone would not want to, and can even see some benefit to not knowing who they are. So I don't think anonymous posters in general "suck" either. In the end, I think it's the individual's call and I will respect their wishes, unless they are posting personal slander on here (and "your music sucks" does not qualify as personal slander :D ). I also feel that this community is a pretty good self-policing force BECAUSE there are a lot of "heavy hitters" here, many of whom do post under their real names. If someone is legit, people will usually say so, and there are enough trusted parties here to figure out what's going on. Most of us know that Mixerman is "for real", for example. I happen to know "mcsnare" and he's for real too. Has anyone spoken up for PeeTee? Nope, don't think so. But you could have figured that anyway. You get the idea. Also, notice in mcsnare's thread that he did not say he was "anybody". He just obviously felt like getting on here and posting an opinion for what it was worth like anybody else. Somebody ELSE mentioned that he was a "big time" engineer. That's not his fault, and it doesn't especially matter. "Big Time" engineers have a right to their opinions too, and have a right to say something sucks, anonymously or not. I don't like the sound of "Two Against Nature" either - does anyone care? Would they care more if I had a wall full of platinum records? I dunno, it's just an opinion. --Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uh Clem Posted April 26, 2002 Author Share Posted April 26, 2002 Good discussion and some good points and yes, as usually NYCD nails some great sentiment. As for M&M - he's delusional as at this point I think everyone but him realizes that he's no big secret anymore (and it WAS NOT Curve that gave him away - someone called him by name right on his own PSW forum and he left it up there - do a search on...well you know, and you'll see). I'm in "Drew's RN" world as far as M&M is concerned - wouldn't know a piece of his flushings if it fell on my head. As for Mcsnare...He's a piece of work. On his debut MP Post, coming into Roger's kitchen, letting a fart, grabbin' a beer and buggin' out without as much as looking up. Like, "thanks for sharing man". Lee you know this guy? - drive him down to the CVS and hook him up with a refill on his Prozac. Steve Powell - Bull Moon Digital www.bullmoondigital.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Flier Posted April 26, 2002 Share Posted April 26, 2002 [quote]Originally posted by = stevepow =: [b]As for M&M - he's delusional as at this point I think everyone but him realizes that he's no big secret anymore.[/b][/quote]I don't think he really cares whether most people in the audio community know who he is or not. As he's stated it, the reasons he doesn't post under his real name is cuz 1) he prefers to let his statements speak for themselves, as he feels they should stand up on their own regardless of whether you like his work or not, and 2) so the average troll/lurker doesn't necessarily know who he is. I can respect those sentiments. Otherwise he doesn't seem to think it's any big tragedy whether anybody knows who he is. [quote][b] As for Mcsnare...He's a piece of work. On his debut MP Post, coming into Roger's kitchen, letting a fart, grabbin' a beer and buggin' out without as much as looking up. Like, "thanks for sharing man". Lee you know this guy? - drive him down to the CVS and hook him up with a refill on his Prozac.[/b][/quote]LOL... nahhh... I've been aquainted with him, worked with him a few times and known his rep since the early 80's and he's one of the good guys. Besides his major label work he's gone way beyond the call of duty for a lot for struggling young bands with no money, too. His debut post was uncharacteristic (as he said himeself) but I thought it was funny. I guess I just don't mind it when people dispense with the kid gloves, so long as they're not genuinely hurting anybody. So he thinks a record sucks, who cares? There's no such thing as bad publicity. :D --Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fantasticsound Posted April 26, 2002 Share Posted April 26, 2002 Phil, Lee, and NYC Drew, well said. I chose "don't suck," because I believe everyone, famous or not, has a right to privacy here. However, to any anonymous heavy hitters: You have a right to your privacy, only so long as you state your opinions with no reference to your stature in the biz. Once you pull out world famous credentials to bolster an arguement, you must be prepared to share those credentials. Otherwise, state your opinions and keep the hype to yourself. If there is credence to your posts, people will get it without any bombast. Other than the obvious names here (GM, RN, Craig), I've found the consistantly intelligent, thought-out and incisive posts have come from regulars who are probably famous only in their own homes and, perhaps, communities. (The 3 names at the start of this post come immediately to mind.) Without trying, they've earned my respect. (And, I believe, the respect of most other forum members here.) Thanks for the kudos, NYC Drew. That's high praise coming from you. I have been fortunate to have the chance to work with and around famous people.. it's neat but, so what? I'm not friends with any of these people. Just an aquaintance or one of thousands of tech's they'll work with in a career. Most won't even remember me, and it certainly doesn't make me a better mixer. It sure hasn't made me a better businessman, or I'd be as busy as you are, Drew! ;) It's easiest to find me on Facebook. Neil Bergman Soundclick fntstcsnd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meccajay Posted April 26, 2002 Share Posted April 26, 2002 Personally it's really not a question of thinking myself to be big time or small time etc. Im certainly a "small-medium time" producer. For me it's just a case of caution...real caution! I tend to stick to the notion of NEVER putting my personal info out on the net. I got burned years ago when I first began to play online in 1996. Nowdays I just remain cautious and somewhat distant. It sucks really because Ive gone thru about 100 threads of all the great people here sharing there names, there past, posting photes of themselves and there homes/studios, holding each others children, having drinks and dinner etc, and I just bit my lip because I'd love to be able to play like that but damn 1996, I just know there's one idiot in the bunch!! Recently, thanks to a few select people on this forum who are real cool and local, Im changing. Change is slow but good! TROLL . . . ish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Flier Posted April 26, 2002 Share Posted April 26, 2002 Jay, Would you mind sharing anything about how you got burned, if that's possible without revealing too much? --Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franknputer Posted April 26, 2002 Share Posted April 26, 2002 I hear ya meccajay - lotta nutballs on the 'Net, and not all of us are harmless... :freak: Me, I have my email up for the world to see, and I've set out contact info selectively now & again. So far, I've been lucky - the worst thing that has happened to me is a large amount of spam. (Frantically knocking the nearest piece of wood...) Funny how it seems I have more friends online than in real life - sign of the times, I guess. Hard to have a social life in the audio world (damned near impossible, actually - if I hadn't have taken time off from it, i'd probably never have gotten married). Married life & parenthood does the same - less time for hanging out with other people. Don't get me wrong, though - I LOVE my wife & my little people :love: but I'm glad to have people like the folks here & in the the BeOS community to swap stories & goof around with. Wow, I feel all warm and fuzzy now... [img]http://www.handjiveknits.com/Images/P3120061.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meccajay Posted April 26, 2002 Share Posted April 26, 2002 Well Lee, Back in 96-97 I met a few people online in a semi-professional/fun setting very similar(but way different) to this one. We all kicked it online for months, then we all decided to meet one weekend and we had a blast, but there was one girl in the group who was fucking NUTS!! Me, my girl at the time, and 2 others from the group of us were harassed/stalked/scared etc to the umpteenth degree by this particular nut. She knew damn near everything about us because we had fucking told her online....our faults!! It was the internet and it was all new for me, thats all I can say about my stupidity. What we had to do to get this fucking idiot off our backs was UNREAL!!! Obviously we didnt harm her, but the time, money and bullshit we went through to put this behind us was exhausting! It's a real shame to because the rest of the bunch of us could have been friends for life but for the bitter experience...great people! Now Lee obviously I know this is a MUCH MORE professional place to be and the people here have real lives, families, careers, and little time for such bullshit, but IM just a teeny bit gun-shy for now. All things in time.. TROLL . . . ish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franknputer Posted April 26, 2002 Share Posted April 26, 2002 Heh heh - was she from around here? If so, I wonder if I know her... :eek: :eek: :eek: (I knew of several candidates that would fit the bill, actually...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
videoeditor1 Posted April 27, 2002 Share Posted April 27, 2002 [quote]Originally posted by meccajay: [b]She knew damn near everything about us because we had fucking told her online....our faults!!... .... but IM just a teeny bit gun-shy for now. [/b][/quote]I guess you never told her about your propensity to make mince meat out of people that stalk you... :D Maybe if she knew [i]that[/i]... Seriously, I'm the kind of guy, if the "system" doesn't work the way it should to protect my rights, I have no qualms with circumnavigating the "system" to acheive what I consider a swift and equitable resolution. Works for me, it may very well not work for you. NYC Drew "The only way to argue with a nail is with a hammer" - NYC Drew, 2002. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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