DC Posted April 25, 2002 Share Posted April 25, 2002 Back in the 70's and 80's, it seemed like everyone I met absolutely hated the Beatles. I'm talking with a disgust usually reserved for Cowsills or David Cassidy or even dare I say, The Monkees. I could tell them about countless innovations and inventions, things the guys did that had never been done before but never seemed to change any minds. So the 90's roll around and all of a sudden, there's all this respect for the Liverpool lads. We've even got 'Why did the producer cross the road? Cause the Beatles did!' jokes. I even see loads of forum regulars quoting facts that I used ages ago to take up for the guys. So what happened? Is it once your band has been split up for over 30 years you're suddenly a piece of history and above ridicule? Did some pop icons recognize the Beatles and convert their fans? Was it that Beatle history show (that I missed being out of the country at the time) on TV? Is their sudden overwhelming popularity a fad? What's been your experience then and now? -David http://www.garageband.com/artist/MichaelangelosMuse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fantasticsound Posted April 25, 2002 Share Posted April 25, 2002 I've known a few souls who were ignorant of the Beatles (it didn't seem possible, but was the case) but I've only run into one or two people who disliked the Beatles or downgraded their contributions to recorded music and songwriting, so I can't help you with this one, DC. It's easiest to find me on Facebook. Neil Bergman Soundclick fntstcsnd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strat0124 Posted April 25, 2002 Share Posted April 25, 2002 [quote]Originally posted by DC: [b]Back in the 70's and 80's, it seemed like everyone I met absolutely hated the Beatles. I'm talking with a disgust usually reserved for Cowsills or David Cassidy or even dare I say, The Monkees. I could tell them about countless innovations and inventions, things the guys did that had never been done before but never seemed to change any minds.[/b][/quote]Man, that has never been my experience. Even country and bluegrass guys I knew back then liked them. The only people I assumed hated them were flat-topped, redman chewing, KKK sympathizing, sheeeeit kicking, gun toting, okies from muskogees. But after a few beers even they could be heard singing along with "Act Naturally" as done by Ringo. :) Down like a dollar comin up against a yen, doin pretty good for the shape I'm in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Flier Posted April 25, 2002 Share Posted April 25, 2002 Yeah, if I ever knew anyone who disliked the Beatles, I was blissfully unaware of the fact. Of course my bandmates and myself have been rabid Beatlemaniacs our whole lives so we're not complaining that they do seem to be more popular than ever now. :) I'm not really sure why. Maybe since 9/11 people are wanting to hear something with a more positive vibe again, plus George's death probably made that feeling even more acute. The Beatles really did have such a vibe, that has never been duplicated, and every once in awhile it seems like either the younger generations discover, or the older fans re-discover, that vibe and how special it really was. There was a tremendous amount of love in that band and a very positive thing they had to offer the world, and they had the balls to display that in a very real and visible way. If you contrast that with all the angst-ridden rock bands around today, and even with most of their contemporaries of the time, it's amazing how different and refreshing they were (and continue to be). --Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rim Posted April 25, 2002 Share Posted April 25, 2002 OK, found it. I ran into this web site when I was searching for Beatles stuff: http://www.areddy.net/beatles_suck/ That site doesn't really support why they don't like The Beatles but some links it contains are more detailed. Don't get me wrong. I love The Beatles. When I ran across this, it was a shock. I thought everyone loved The Beatles (or at least that no one hated them). I guess it's true, you can't please all of the people all of the time. aka riffing Double Post music: Strip Down http://rimspeed.com http://loadedtheband.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Flier Posted April 26, 2002 Share Posted April 26, 2002 Nah I would figure that there are people who hate the Beatles, and they are welcome to their opinions of course. That link is pretty funny. One of the articles it linked to had some pretty lame arguments as to why they thought the Beatles sucked: they copped some riffs from other artists (who hasn't?), they wrote "juvenile and puerile" lyrics (they list some examples, most of which are on the bottom end of the Beatles' catalog lyrically and none of which are from the top end), their solo work sucks... like as if that has anything to do with what they did in the Beatles... LOL. Hey, you don't have to like 'em but if you're going to write a whole web page about how much they suck, at least come up with some logical arguments! :D --Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fantasticsound Posted April 26, 2002 Share Posted April 26, 2002 I just remembered a wonderful song by Allan Sherman. I don't know if this was strictly tongue-in-cheek or serious, but, here it is: [quote][b]Allan Sherman Pop Hates The Beatles[/b] My daughter needs a new phonograph. She wore out all the needles. Besides, I broke the old one in half. I hate the Beatles. She says they have a Liverpool beat. She says they used to play there. Four nice kids from offa the street. Why didn't they stay there? What is all the screaming about? Fainting and swooning. Sounds to me like their guitars Could use a little tuning. The boys are from the British Empire. The British think they're keen. If that is what the British desire, God Save The Queen. No daughter of mine can push me around. In my home I'm the master. But when the British come into town, Gad, what a disaster. Little girls in sneakers and jeans. Destroyed the territory. 'Twas like some of the gorier scenes From West Side Story. Of course my daughter had to go there. The tickets are cheap, she hollers. I was able to pick up a pair For forty-seven dollars. When the Beatles come on the stage, They scream and shriek and cheer them. Now I know why they're such a rage, It's impossible to hear them. Ringo is the one with the drum, The others all play with him. It shows you what a boy can become Without a sense of rhythm. There's Beatle books and T-shirts and rings, And one thing and another. To buy my daughter all of these things, I had to sell her brother. Back in 1776 We fought the British then, folks. Parents of America, It's time to do it again, folks. When they come back, here's how we'll begin, We'll throw 'em in Boston harbor. But please, before we toss 'em all in, Let's take 'em to a barber.[/quote]:D It's easiest to find me on Facebook. Neil Bergman Soundclick fntstcsnd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedster Posted April 26, 2002 Share Posted April 26, 2002 [quote]Originally posted by DC: [b]Back in the 70's and 80's, it seemed like everyone I met absolutely hated the Beatles. I'm talking with a disgust usually reserved for Cowsills or David Cassidy or even dare I say, The Monkees. I could tell them about countless innovations and inventions, things the guys did that had never been done before but never seemed to change any minds. [/b][/quote]Hmmm, you stopped talking to people that hung around discos? :D :D :D (Sings:) "Well you can tell by the way I use my wok I'm a Chinese cook, no time to talk"... Either that or you stopped talking to people that only listened to Deep Purple, Zeppelin, Van Halen etc. who thought the Beatles were "lightweights". Either group could be promoters of that propaganda. Oh, and Neil, your Allen Sherman song was probably mainly serious...but you have to remember when it was done. Probably around '64 when the Beatles first hit, and no one over the age of 20 liked them, 'cause they were long hair (hahaha) noisemakers that sang "Yeah yeah yeah" and made kids want to dance. The over-20 crowd was too busy listening to their Perry Como records. "Cisco Kid, was a friend of mine" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Studio Pet-Rock Posted April 26, 2002 Share Posted April 26, 2002 Simply put; A person who does not like the Beatles, does not like music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Posted April 26, 2002 Author Share Posted April 26, 2002 [quote]Originally posted by Tedster: [QB[/qb][/quote]Either that or you stopped talking to people that only listened to Deep Purple, Zeppelin, Van Halen etc. who thought the Beatles were "lightweights". Either group could be promoters of that propaganda. [/QB][/QUOTE] Ted, I think your second theory is the one. I mean, I loved Led Zep etc but it was definately the hard rock crowd that thought The Beatles to be fluff. That said, I still think there's a huge difference between especially the 70's and now in the band's popularity. Either that, or I've stumbled upon a sort of musical nirvana by finding these forums. You cats think like me. :cool: Most everyone here absolutely rocks! -David http://www.garageband.com/artist/MichaelangelosMuse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedster Posted April 26, 2002 Share Posted April 26, 2002 Well, to tell the truth, that was going on even while the Beatles were together. They battled for popularity in '65 with the Stones and the Dave Clark Five...faded from popularity in '66 after John made his remark about Jesus, and they stopped touring. That was also about the time that other heavier groups began, some of the blues based stuff, and the "Yeah Yeah" moptops were considered passe. That all changed when "Pepper" came out. Then, in the later sixties, you had acts like Cream and Hendrix, and many people thought the Beatles were lightweights. But, I think a lot of people who were groovin' to Deep Purple et al didn't realize 'til later how big an influence the Fabs were. And, in my opinion, anyway, the measure of greatness isn't in how much someone is appreciated in their time, but how great their lasting power is. Peter Frampton outsold the Beatles in several areas, and although a lot of folks still like his music, he's had nowhere near the staying power of the Beatles. "Cisco Kid, was a friend of mine" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Flier Posted April 26, 2002 Share Posted April 26, 2002 [quote]Originally posted by DC: [b] I think your second theory is the one. I mean, I loved Led Zep etc but it was definately the hard rock crowd that thought The Beatles to be fluff.[/b][/quote]Yeah, I knew guys like that in the 70's too. I was always all about the Beatles and the Stones but a lot of the people in high school who played guitar were into Zeppelin, Van Halen, Hendrix, etc. and thought the Beatles and Stones were for beginners... LOL... so I did the smart thing, I quit high school and joined a band of older guys who knew better. :D [quote][b] That said, I still think there's a huge difference between especially the 70's and now in the band's popularity. Either that, or I've stumbled upon a sort of musical nirvana by finding these forums. You cats think like me. :cool: Most everyone here absolutely rocks![/b][/quote]I agree! I had no idea there were so many people who felt like I did until I joined these forums. It really is nice to "meet" so many like minded people, many of whom have already been a great help to me and, I hope, vice versa. Thanks for stopping by our web site BTW, Dave! :) --Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coyote Posted April 26, 2002 Share Posted April 26, 2002 Every Deep Purple fan I know also digs the Beatles. Personally I've always been a fan of both bands - both have been a major influence on my playing and writing. [quote]Originally posted by Tedster: [b]Either that or you stopped talking to people that only listened to Deep Purple, Zeppelin, Van Halen etc. who thought the Beatles were "lightweights". Either group could be promoters of that propaganda.[/b][/quote] I used to think I was Libertarian. Until I saw their platform; now I know I'm no more Libertarian than I am RepubliCrat or neoCON or Liberal or Socialist. This ain't no track meet; this is football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Posted April 26, 2002 Author Share Posted April 26, 2002 [quote]Originally posted by Lee Flier: [b][QUOTE] Thanks for stopping by our web site BTW, Dave! :) --Lee[/b][/quote]Lee, just wanted to say that I totally dug yourall's covers, but the two new original tunes are fantastic! Let Me Stay In This World has a sort of Kinks meet Pretenders meet Squeeze vibe that's really great. (Love the drone string guitar lick bit). Man, that For Love or Money just flat out rocks! The slide guitar parts make the song for me, along with the totally rambunctious drummin and bassin. Great vocals and the unison hollerin' stuff is way cool too. More What-The... originals please. :) Getting back to the topic, I suppose I should have asked; "Do you think a lot of industry people pay false homage to The Beatles from peer pressure when they really know very little Beatle history or album cuts? -David http://www.garageband.com/artist/MichaelangelosMuse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RABid Posted April 26, 2002 Share Posted April 26, 2002 Part of it may be a backlash from hearing so many fans credit the Beatles with making rock and roll popular, killing jazz, inventing sliced bread, and other such nonsense. I think what sets the Beatles apart from other boy bands is song writing and the ability to stick together for so long. Can you imagine how popular NSync or Back Street Boys would be if they had the writing skills of the Fab Four? Look at any band that stays on top for an extended period and you will usually find multiple composers within the band that can pen a string of hits. Sadly, too many bands dont realize their own synergy and realize too late that the individuals dont come close to the whole when everyone wants to do solo projects. Robert This post edited for speling. My Sweetwater Gear Exchange Page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedster Posted April 27, 2002 Share Posted April 27, 2002 [quote]Originally posted by coyote: [b]Every Deep Purple fan I know also digs the Beatles. Personally I've always been a fan of both bands - both have been a major influence on my playing and writing. [quote]Originally posted by Tedster: [b]Either that or you stopped talking to people that only listened to Deep Purple, Zeppelin, Van Halen etc. who thought the Beatles were "lightweights". Either group could be promoters of that propaganda.[/b][/quote][/b][/quote]Well, I know what you're trying to say. I'm a Purple fan, too. But, I'm talking mainly about when Deep Purple et al first came out, and most of the people that were into that heavier sort of music were considering the Beatles to be lightweights. "Cisco Kid, was a friend of mine" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobro Posted April 27, 2002 Share Posted April 27, 2002 [quote]Originally posted by mdpetrick@yahoo.com: [b]Simply put; A person who does not like the Beatles, does not like music.[/b][/quote]Bullshit. Not to beat around the bush- that's just bullshit. Is it ignorant bullshit, souless bullshit, meanspirited ethnocentric bullshit, or just a silly thing to say? Beats me, I cannot judge you or know you, only the thing you say. I like the Beatles. When "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" or many other Beatles tunes play, I LOVE the Beatles. I'm blown away by how much deeply musical stuff they made. But so what- neither I nor you is in the place to define what "Music" is. Don't spit on music by saying what all music is to all people. -Cameron Bobro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Flier Posted April 27, 2002 Share Posted April 27, 2002 Dave, thanks so much for the nice comments! Don't worry, we've got lots more originals being recorded as we speak, a couple pretty close to being done. I'll definitely let ya know when there's more. Cameron, I understand what you're saying and I agree with it. Somehow I don't think mdpetrick meant it literally though, he was probably just trying to express the depth of his love for the Beatles, which can be tough without resorting to drastic statements. :) --Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oliveloafe Posted April 27, 2002 Share Posted April 27, 2002 i agree with you Bobro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobro Posted April 27, 2002 Share Posted April 27, 2002 [quote]Originally posted by Lee Flier: [b]Dave, thanks so much for the nice comments! Don't worry, we've got lots more originals being recorded as we speak, a couple pretty close to being done. I'll definitely let ya know when there's more. Cameron, I understand what you're saying and I agree with it. Somehow I don't think mdpetrick meant it literally though, he was probably just trying to express the depth of his love for the Beatles, which can be tough without resorting to drastic statements. :) --Lee[/b][/quote]Yes actually I'm sure you're correct. I must say, there was a discussion about the Beatles on Dave Bryce's forum, and I was that far from saying something not so different from what mdpetrick said in response to one post until I thought it over. :o Actually when I first heard a Beatles album (at 16, no shit, in Mrs. Hawksworth's Singing Poets class) there was a lot of prejudice to overcome; a childhood completely without the music and full of nasty fake-liberal SoCal people giving the Beatles lip-service ad nauseum while making fun of me for being poor, but when I heard it, I thought, damn that's good music. :D Edit-BTW, first Beatles album- White Album! I grew up on folk on classical music and if the White Album isn't a great modern synthesis of the spirit of folk and classical, what is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkiNNY MulLIGan Posted April 27, 2002 Share Posted April 27, 2002 i think that when someone is copied as much as the BEATLES were, the people that weren't around in the first place hear a Beatles song and don't realise how innovative it was (is) because they've already heard that "sound" from all the clones, so they don't understand what the big deal is...having said that, i have to say that i don't remember knowing alot of people hating the BEATLES in the 70's...even HENDRIX did a cover of SGT. PEPPER live on "Hendrix in the West" (i think) and supposedly, if i have my facts straight,he did that the day after SGT PEPPER came out, having learned it the same afternoon or something like that...the same thing happened to Led Zeppelin...there "sound" and style has been cloned by so many "hair" bands in the 80's, some younger kids just think they're another hard rock band...not to compare anyone with the Beatles... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rim Posted April 28, 2002 Share Posted April 28, 2002 Also, when The Beatles first became popular, many of the rock/pop acts didn't write their own stuff - heck, some of them didn't even play instruments. The Beatles upped the ante for rock groups by writing and playing their own songs. From then on, it was hard for a band who didn't write their own songs to be taken seriously. Especially if you don't even play instruments - a la boy bands N'Sync, O-Town, et al. I wonder if the next level would be bands who not only write and play their own songs, but also record and produce them. I know many bands already do this but I wonder if it would get to the point where you're not taken seriously unless you also record and produce your own stuff? But I digress. I love you Beatles Oh yes I do I love you Beatles And I'll be true When you're not near me I'm blue Oh Beatles, I love you :love: aka riffing Double Post music: Strip Down http://rimspeed.com http://loadedtheband.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Pierce Posted April 28, 2002 Share Posted April 28, 2002 Well, I could have been one of the people you were talking about in the 70s and 80s, I guess. :evil: --Dave Make my funk the P-funk. I wants to get funked up. My Funk/Jam originals project: http://www.thefunkery.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedster Posted April 28, 2002 Share Posted April 28, 2002 Nah, Dave, Heck, everyone's entitled to my opinion...uh, I mean their [i]own[/i] opinion :D :D :D Good point. Joe Cocker's version of that song kicks ass. He did a killer "She Came In Through The Bathroom Window" too. But, for me, is it "better" than the original? To me, no...just different. I like different interpretations of a tune. "Cisco Kid, was a friend of mine" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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