Who was the first "no-talent" rock star?

[David R.]

I will have to jump in to defend Elvis. The man could sing, dance, and play (see the '69 comeback special). Sam Phillips did not create a Backstreet boy, Col. Tom Parker did. Blame him for the utter dilution of a great talent. Watch the video of Pat Boone singing "Tootie Fruitie" and you will know who has no talent.

[FoxTick]

i'm gonna have to agree with Henry (fellow sacramentan) on this one...i really never understood what the big deal was....i mean he did have some good songs but not so much as to call him a 'KING'....IMO at least..(flame suit on) if you had the chance to crown someone the king or queen of R&R, who would it be?

[Bobro]

If all your life you had heard that your long-lost cousin is a giant, and when you met him, you find he's only 6'2", and you then say, he is a midget, what does that show? Your own guillability and lack of perspective, maybe. Anyway Johnny Favortie predates all these guys, he's pre-war. But not rock and roll it's true. -Bobro

[Henchman]

[quote]Originally posted by Nytrix: [b] Axel Rose ... maybe he was an asshole (who gives a shit, I'm not living with the guy) ... and yes indeed, he couldn't sing to save his life - but he is a good songwriter. There's plenty of talentless losers out there to mention first before Axel. Like him, hate him, he's a prick, can't sing - but he wrote 2 masterpieces at least that I've heard. He CAN write songs. People's exhibit #1 : November Rain People's exhibit #2 : Estranged I'll throw my vote in for those 1 hit wonder embarrassments from the early 60's ... Bobby Darrin, Bobby Vee, Fabian, Bobby Rydel, Bobby Vinton. (spelling)[/b][/quote]Dude, stope smokin' crack. How you can pile Bobby Darrin in with the rest of those guys, including axl, is beyond me. Bobby Darrin was no one hit wonder by any means. And he could sing his ass off too. Get out your music history books before you say shit like that. And as far as aI I am concerned, everything axl has done is crap.

[David R.]

Next time you hear "Sweet Child of Mine" listen to some Ethel Merman. I swear they are the same person. No, really.

[Bobro]

[quote]Originally posted by David R.: [b]Next time you hear "Sweet Child of Mine" listen to some Ethel Merman. I swear they are the same person. No, really.[/b][/quote]Don't be insulting Ethel Merman like that- way back in the day she sang for George Gershwin. THE George Gershwin, in fact the world premiere of "I Got Rhythm" was sung by... the young lady Ethel Merman. The Ted Nugent guy who shot a bear with a bow and arrow or something said it best: "you don't listen to an axle, you grease it". -Bobro

[Dylan]

No way! GN'R rocks (well, used to at least). Sure, Axl is an asshole, but who isn't in rock n' roll?

[alcohol]

If you don't understand why Elvis is great, you got a "music appreciation deficiency." MAD The guy could really sing well , don't believe me, Chet Atkins thought so too. I heard Chet say that in a NPR interview. If you think Chet Atkins sucks, you got MAD.

[tnb]

I'm casting my votes for Avalon and Fabian. I have played for both (Grease, the musical) and while they were very nice guys, talented they were not. Come to think of it, Chubby Checker was pretty lame too.

[Nytrix]

[i]Dude, stope smokin' crack. How you can pile Bobby Darrin in with the rest of those guys, including axl, is beyond me. Bobby Darrin was no one hit wonder by any means. And he could sing his ass off too. Get out your music history books before you say shit like that. And as far as aI I am concerned, everything axl has done is crap.[/i] [b]I disagree. But, I do commend you on your conduct.[/b]

[FoxTick]

[quote]Originally posted by alcohol: [b]If you don't understand why Elvis is great, you got a "music appreciation deficiency." MAD The guy could really sing well , don't believe me, Chet Atkins thought so too. I heard Chet say that in a NPR interview. If you think Chet Atkins sucks, you got MAD.[/b][/quote]do you like Elvis because Chet does? i don't like elvis...i never have and probably nver will - there, i said it! i guess i have MAD. i like Chet, but don't like Elvis...am i breaking any rules here?...and where did Chet come from anyway?...Chet Atkins' name shouldn't even be mentioned in this thread. [quote]Originally posted by alcohol: [b]Perry Farrell Axl Rose NIN The above all make J -Lo and Brittney seem like geniuses[/b][/quote]i was going to let this go, using Brittney and genius in the same sentence is a desecration to music itslef. and i do like the artists you mentioned above(except J-Lo and Britt)...am i therefore subject to any other cute acronyms? ;) speaking of acronyms, IMO = In My Opinion :)

[Mark V]

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[Nawledge]

I don't think J-Lo or Brittany Spears are Rock stars period. not even no talent ones, if that is what you call Rock, then PuffDaddy can actually rap, dance, and write his own music. :eek:

[geoffk]

think it's funny to read that quote from Keith re: that Elvis didn't do anything new he was just cute...because it can be applied to the stones also--especially early on.

[alcohol]

I guess one could say they thought Chet Atkins sucked. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Even if you do not like Chet Atkins' music, I don't believe you could deny his talent and musical ability. If you did deny Chet Atkins as a talent, then a good argument could be made that you didn't understand his music, much in same say a person doesn't understand a foreign language - both in it's literal meanings and in the language's subtle expressions. The idea that music is a universal language is one of the world's great fallacies. I can respect someone saying they don't like Elvis, they are entitled to their tastes; but to deny his talent as a vocalist really seems like you really haven't listened. No rules broken, but perhaps there is a will to deny a widely acclaimed man his due. Axl Rose's inability to sing in tune is legend. To that extent Brittney and Jennifer tower over him. His songwriting leaves much to be desired for my tastes. Trent Reznor's method of compositional organization is primitive and tedious for my tastes; but absolutely unforgivible is his writing of lyrics. That they are pretentious isn't a sin, it's that his pretentions are expressed in such a prosaic manner.

[fantasticsound]

That's the alcohol talking..

[KHAN]

Hmmm..... Was Elvis a [b]"No Talent"[/b] rock star? I don't believe *[from hearing him my whole life]* that he had [b]NO[/b] talent. Was he musically gifted to the degree of Chet Atkins? Not even close. I wonder though, how many "Rock Stars" could live up to those standards of musicallity?

[FoxTick]

[quote]Originally posted by alcohol: [b]Axl Rose's inability to sing in tune is legend. To that extent Brittney and Jennifer tower over him. [/b][/quote]only because Axl doesn't sing thru an autotuner and a whole bunch of other heavy processing gear..Axl's vocals are at least honest.

[Henchman]

[quote]Originally posted by Nytrix: [b] [b]I disagree. But, I do commend you on your conduct.[/b][/b][/quote]It's not about agreeing or disagrreing in this case. It's about facts. You called Bobby Darrin a 1 hit wonder. Ever heard of the following songs: Beyond the Sea Mack the Knife Splish Splash I'll be there Things I'll be there Now that's six right off the top of my head. Also, in 20 years, who will remember or play any of the guns n posers crap. I guarantee you, you will still be hearing songs like Mack the Knife and beyond the sea. And not November Rain and the likes.

[Roto]

So what if Elvis became popular for playing black music in the 50s? That doesn't make him a hack. A ripoff maybe, but it's not like black musicians didn't copy each others stuff. The stuff Elvis recorded for Sun was great. Besides, wasn't the question, "who was first?" There had to be someone before Elvis. How about Bah-Bah-Bah-Bing Crosby? I wouldn't call him a no-talent, but I find him obnoxious and by all accounts he was a real jackass.

[Nytrix]

Mack the Knife Splish Splash Those are the only one's I've heard of. I'd take that bet about those songs 20 years from now. Not, that I think Guns N' Roses is so awesome (I don't particularly care for them - but I DID like those 2 songs - the rest I didn't really like) but that the competition in this case is so weak. And I'll put the lyrics of "Estranged" against the innocuous tripe bullshit like "Splish Splash" anyday. He was part of that clean-cut, white-bread, corporate America, dimple cheeked bullshit they tried to feed us after they tried to take the real rock scene down (Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Jerry Lee Lewis, Buddy Holly, Pre-Army Elvis).

[Henchman]

[quote]Originally posted by Nytrix: [b]Mack the Knife Splish Splash Those are the only one's I've heard of. [/b][/quote]See, just because those 2 are the only ones YOU'VE heard of, doesn't mean he was a one hit wonder. So before you make statements about someones talent, you should at least get all your facts straight.

[chessparov]

Henchman, thanks for sticking up for Bobby Darin. "I'll Be There" is one of my favorite ballads BTW. Also sung well by Gerry and The Pacemakers. (No, the "Pacemaker" doesn't mean they were old!) P.S. Elvis has left the auditorium.

[Nytrix]

[i]See, just because those 2 are the only ones YOU'VE heard of, doesn't mean he was a one hit wonder. So before you make statements about someones talent, you should at least get all your facts straight.[/i] What is this guy like your brother or something? Ask anyone under 40 and see how many songs they come up with. I'll go beyond saying how many songs of his can they name - I bet they have never even heard of him. He had a hit or two in the early sixties, then you never heard of him soon as the British invasion happened...thank god. Christ.... Splish Splash I was taking a bath .... I'd swear you were putting me on. My facts are fine thank you. While we're "recommending" here, I recommend you not address people like they're something you stepped on and are scraping off your shoe. Makes for a better world.

[Henchman]

[quote]Originally posted by Nytrix: [b][i] What is this guy like your brother or something? Ask anyone under 40 and see how many songs they come up with. I'll go beyond saying how many songs of his can they name - I bet they have never even heard of him. He had a hit or two in the early sixties, then you never heard of him soon as the British invasion happened...thank god. [/b][/quote]Nope, he's no relative. But I am under forty. So I guess anything before the 70's is shit because anybody under 40 hasn't heard of it. I guess Glenn Miller was a wanker too. As was Louis Armstrong, Nat King Cole.... Need I go on? BTW, the reason you never heard from Bobby Darrin past, say the early seventies, is because the guy was born with a heart problem. He wasn't expected to live past his teens. He ended up dying in the early seventies. A quick search I did turned up the fact that "mack the Knife" sold over 2 million copies, and received a grammy. This was back in 1959. So, all I'm saying is, before you stick somebody in a lineup of one hit wonders, check the facts. Oh, and he did write some of his songs. Unlike people like Sinatra etc.

[Johnny M]

Cortney Love!!! BTW...I love the Monkeys!\ Regards

[Super 8]

[b]THE KING MAY BE DEAD, BUT THE [i]COAT[/i] LIVES ON!!![/b] uh-thankya very much. :eek:

[deanmass]

Cereal, Don't be baggin on Da Splitz!! Elvis is OK, but NOT the Splitz! IMHO, Don Ho... PS- There is NO F***ing WAY you can think Elvis had NO talent....He was Bad Mofo in Da Day...

[BP3]

[quote]Originally posted by Henchman: [b] Ever heard of the following songs: Beyond the Sea Mack the Knife Splish Splash I'll be there Things I'll be there [/b][/quote]Potsie really nailed "Splish Splash" on Happy Days. :eek:

[Rog]

[quote]Originally posted by Henchman: [b] [quote]Originally posted by Nytrix: [b][i] What is this guy like your brother or something? Ask anyone under 40 and see how many songs they come up with. I'll go beyond saying how many songs of his can they name - I bet they have never even heard of him. He had a hit or two in the early sixties, then you never heard of him soon as the British invasion happened...thank god. [/b][/quote]Nope, he's no relative. But I am under forty. So I guess anything before the 70's is shit because anybody under 40 hasn't heard of it. I guess Glenn Miller was a wanker too. As was Louis Armstrong, Nat King Cole.... Need I go on? BTW, the reason you never heard from Bobby Darrin past, say the early seventies, is because the guy was born with a heart problem. He wasn't expected to live past his teens. He ended up dying in the early seventies. A quick search I did turned up the fact that "mack the Knife" sold over 2 million copies, and received a grammy. This was back in 1959. So, all I'm saying is, before you stick somebody in a lineup of one hit wonders, check the facts. Oh, and he did write some of his songs. Unlike people like Sinatra etc.[/b][/quote]Christ! Who gives a fuck? Chill out. Darin sucks hamster dick. There, I said it ... ;)