OT - That Venus and Mars thing (woman troubles)...

[Dan South]

[quote]Originally posted by LiveMusic: [b] By the way, I do think this -- any person who has found their ideal soul mate -- they are very fortunate and they should damn sure let their spouse know it. I think it's VERY hard to do. [/b][/quote]Duke, This is just my personal observation, but I don't believe in the concept of a soul mate. Every person on this planet is an individual with individual tastes, preferences, quirks, attitudes, issues, fears, beliefs, wishes, hopes, dreams, ambitions, etc. Some individuals are similar to you; these often become friends. Others are as different as night and day; these folks we're better off avoiding. And, of course, there's every degree in between, a continuum, if you will. But the important thing to remember is that no one - even someone WAY over toward your end of the continuum - is going to match you stride for stride in every way, every day. Sooner or later, you're going to discover some small (or not so small) thing that you don't like about the person that you thought was perfect for you. If you go into the relationship knowing that you're dealing with an individual and that individuals are going to have differences of opinion from time to time, you'll be prepared to confront the issue and work out some sort of compromise. But if you've convinced yourself in advance that this person is your "soul mate," your "other half," your "missing piece," etc., you're going to be devastated when that inevitable day arrives. ... Back to the original issue, I suggest that you take Lee's advice and start looking for the "hidden gems" instead of pursuing the shiny sirens that seem to dominate your social circle. There are no guarantees, of course. Some of the shy girls can be trouble, also, but you've got a higher probability of striking gold if you're willing to prospect in less popular waters. When you find your "gold nugget," remember that love is a VERB in addition to being a noun - I think Leo Buscalia may have said that, but I don't recall for certain. - Love isn't a non-stop party; it's putting up with a bad day or a bad mood from time to time. It's being positive when circumstances should be making you grumpy. It's trusting someone enough to let them see your faults and your bad side and knowing that they love you anyway. Give a girl a break, and she'll appreciate it. Lee's hints about what women look for in a man sound like sage advice from my admittedly testosterone-colored perspective. Every woman considers the possibility of children and how their arrival might affect the relationship. Kids are tough to deal with sometimes. A woman will conclude that if you can't deal with HER when SHE'S having a rough day, you'll be ill-equiped to handle a teething toddler or a troubled teen. Maybe your one friend is giving you the cold shoulder because you come off as Mr. Party Time and she doesn't trust you to be Mr. There When I Need Him. Mr. Party Time attracts party girls. Mr. There When I Need Him attracts the keepers.

[Sylver]

[quote]Originally posted by Lee Flier: [b]Duke, As for the Venus/Mars thing, well, I hate stereotypes both male and female. I am not a female stereotype and I'm not interested in male stereotypes. But there is one thing that I think is hardwired: women want a protector. That's what we look for in "the one". I don't mean necessarily a great big muscular he-man, I mean somebody that they can sense will look after them, will not be elsewhere if something goes wrong, is willing to be patient and work at problems and not dodge responsibilities. Women who want to get married and have kids, are looking for someone who can take care of a family, and there are a lot of biological instincts that kick in there. Heck, I don't even want kids and I'm the most independent low maintenance type around probably, but I still feel that way. I'm willing to be a protector too, a shoulder to cry on, baby a guy if he's sick or tired, etc., but it's gotta be a two way street and I'd really prefer not to initiate a relationship. If a woman pursues a man it's generally because she's either desperate, so insecure that she can't handle a real man, really hates men and wants to bust yer balls, or is just looking to get laid. [/b][/quote]Wow, Duke, the good advice keeps on flowing. I guess we all have put a lot of thought into the pursuit of love. I want to comment on this passage that Lee wrote and I think she brings up very valid points that just may tie into your situation. I've found that women in general do want to be cared for. And I think this translates to all aspect of the relationships that they seek. Now, with all respect to my wife and Lee and all you women out there ... I think that some women, whether realixing it or not look for economic stability. If they percieve that a man is economically unstable, there is a tendency to dismiss that guy as "relationship material". Maybe that is part of your problem with women. I'm not saying that you don't have money, and I don't know whether you do or not, but for a perspective partner you may look unstable because you are a professional musician(at least, I've always gotton the impression that you make your living with music). No matter how comfortable you are now, a woman you are dating might see that as drying up at any time. Now, I want to stress, that I'm not saying that women are gold diggers or anything, it goes back to that protection thing. I'm not saying that women want men with a lot of money, they just want to make sure that there is stability there. I think that this financial stability translates in their minds to stability in other ways. Someone else mentioned that you need to be happy and comfortable with yourself to really attract someone. It seems that you have that down, there are a lot of women that seem to be throwing you signals. Just not the ones you want. Whether that they are too crazy for you, or married(BTW, the one whose husband was right there ... there might be some wierd voyer thing going on there. "I wanna watch while you f*** my wife." It's not uncommon.) or just not your type, someone will eventually come along. Funny thing is, I've found that just about the time you give up and stop looking ... WHAM! There she is, just waiting for you. The really hard part is after you are in the relationship. (Don't even get me started about kids! I have 4!) Jack

[Rog]

Maybe your insistance on slim, attractive women is limiting your options? I've gone out with attractive women and not-so-attractive women ... I've tended to have relationships with the not-so-attractive as they tend to 'connect' with me - I can talk to them, they make me laugh and we develop a deeper level of trust and understanding. Hell, if you want kids you have to find someone you are 100% sure you will be with until you die. Looks are a bonus but if someone is making me laugh night and day then she's the one. Try not to worry about it, there is such a thing as trying too hard - I don't know about you but love tends to sneak up on me when I'm not looking and least expect it. Good luck fella :)

[Wewus432]

" I don't know why women are so bitchy all the time. They've got most of the power in the world and all the pussy." 500 Simoleans to the person who can tell me who said that. This whole thread is an age old debate, that's why so many replies. It really can't be figured out logically you MUST use your intuition. I think most women would agree with that. Remember: the force is with you.

[strat0124]

Lee you continue to give affirmation that you are a righteous babe (said in the most respectful way!)......I love your attitude. Whomever is man enough to "commit" to you is one lucky dude. :)

[DC]

Duke, first off, what became of that girl you spent ten years with? Any chance of getting back together? I think a lot of courting problems these days stem around the sort of Seinfeld, Sex in the City idea of disposable relationships. I heard a show on Public Radio about couples that had been together forever and they all said one thing; It's hard to stay together, it's easy to split up. Now I'm not saying that you should stick with an insane person, not at all. But you should maybe change your expectations of an ideal relationship. I'm been with my woman for almost 7 years now and I'll disagree with Dan by saying that I do believe in Soul Mates and she's mine. It's the best thing I've ever had but it's not easy to stay together sometimes. I'd not describe myself as a male whore exactly before we met, but I was a traveling musician for years. When you're seldom home, you sort of make a home sometimes with someone you just met I guess. These relationships are what they are and it would be rare if one ever took. Let's face it, you can share someone's body and life story in a few nights and usually it comes off like a void you need to escape. I had an immediate attraction with the girl I'm with now and yeah, I'm with you on slim attractive girls and she's one. We were in seperate bands in our area and eventually ended up in the same band. Thing is, we had the conversation bug from the start and we could talk all night easily. We eventually started some touching but she made me wait forever before we made love the first time. This is not a bad thing when you're finding your soul mate. I think lack of patience for pleasures of the flesh can easily translate into a general lack of patience concerning everything with a relationship. Now, it's been hard staying together. Like everyone we've had problems here and there. It always boils down to perception. I loved the earlier analogy of the serial and parallel gender thing. You have to pay attention and notice people, appreciate people. You have to compliment the cool things done for you and you have to find some little special things to do yourself. You mainly have to learn to look out of someone else's eyes and see the world from their viewpoint. You also have to do some things you wouldn't normally do. I say this as someone who hadn't been to church in years (I'm 44) and now I have to hit a mass at Catholic church weekly. (It's cool tho, great pianist and usually a Cello or Oboe sitting in.) So from what I've read, I'd say check in on the girl you miss. Or maybe give the one that seems to lack physical attraction another chance. And stay away from the charm chrisma monsters! Good luck man,

[Stephen Fortner]

A few items which don't necessarily have much to do with each other: 1. Lee, more women who are able to think like you would be half the equation involved in having a truly egalitarian society with non-f**ed up love relationships being the rule instead of the exception. The more I read your posts, the more I think human cloning isn't a bad idea. :) 2. Duke, I really empathize with you about women #1 and #2. Reminds me of someone it took me way too long to get away from. Gorgeous. Intelligent. Homeowner. Delivery RN, absolutely adored bv her patients and co-workers. Before that, was a diving instructor in the Caymans. World traveller, and knows how to deal with a culture and not act like a tourist. I could list hundreds of seemingly wonderful "checklist items" that attracted me to her. But then there was the personality that I got to deal with: Alcoholic, and I'm talking about an angry-type drunk. Impossible to please and easy to displease, and her displeasure was like a Samurai sword that had to draw blood before being put away. Pathological liar... she could look you straight in the face and deny having said something terrible that you heard her say five sentences ago. At her worst, she could be physically violent; broke two pairs of my glasses and on one occasion opened up a half-inch cut under my left eye. When I called the cops, she lied to them and tried to say I had been hitting her. (Fortunately they didn't buy it.) Finally managed to stay away, and she sent me a BILL for a couple of gifts she had bought me in the past year. :eek: (Sorry- I guess seeing this thread tapped in to my need to vent some of this. This girl was gnarly; a man would wind up in jail for a hundredth of the sh*t she pulled.) I know that in this world one is bound to encounter very damaged and unhappy people who behave badly. But the more men I talk to, the more stories like mine I hear. It seems no less common than reports of men abusing women. This doesn't give me feelings of misogyny, it just makes me wonder WTF is up with our society. 3. At this point in my short life (I'm 32) I've found that the cliche that you only meet the right person when you truly "love yourself" is indeed true, but only paritally. If you feel bad about yourself, you'll exhibit an uncanny subconscious knack for winding up with people who confirm those bad feelings. But feeling good about yourself, and showing all the right outward signs (physical fitness, financial responsibility, etc) is no guarantee that you will find your soul mate, if there is such a thing. A whole lot of luck is involved as well, methinks. 4. You can be as good to yourself as possible, but hit a point where you legitimately worry that you are just not going to be one of the people who has that luck. This is why people "settle." No real advice to give, other than to just be the best person one can be. And if someone's behavior feels wrong to your gut, don't second-guess your gut. Run, don't walk, in the other direction.

[Stephen Fortner]

DC wrote: [quote] I think a lot of courting problems these days stem around the sort of Seinfeld, Sex in the City idea of disposable relationships. [/quote]ROTFLMAO !!! I despise "Sex and the CIty" for that very reason. It packages completely empty values as female empowerment. Put it this way: If there was a show about four good-looking, successful urban professional MEN treating women in a similar fashion and then reducing their misadventures to a series of glib one-liners over $15 martinis, the overall reaction from women (and a lot of men) would be one of extreme offense and disgust. Did I mention that it was THE favorite show of that woman who I was ranting about in my last post?

[Lee Flier]

QUOTE]Originally posted by Dan South: [b] [quote] This is just my personal observation, but I don't believe in the concept of a soul mate... no one - even someone WAY over toward your end of the continuum - is going to match you stride for stride in every way, every day. Sooner or later, you're going to discover some small (or not so small) thing that you don't like about the person that you thought was perfect for you.[/b][/quote]Well I guess that all depends what your concept of a soul mate is. I do believe in the concept, but I don't believe a soul mate is somebody who matches you stride for stride in every way or sees everything exactly the same way you do. What would you even have to talk about? :D Rather, I think a soul mate is one who complements you. Yes, they would have to share some core values that really define you, maybe understand some deep things about you that very few people would. But in many other ways I'd assume they'd be different, and that you'd have your issues with each other. A soul mate to me is somebody who sorta fills in the gaps where you yourself are lacking, has some skills and qualities you don't have and vice versa. It's a cinch that if two people are coming at the same problem from different angles they're going to disagree, but that can be helpful too. For example one married couple I know, the wife tends to react to things right away while the husband tends to deliberate for a long time before he'll take action. They can drive each other nuts sometimes for that reason, but there are plenty of times when he's been awfully glad to have her around in a situation that required swift action, and plenty where she's been glad in retrospect that he was there to restrain her and take the wiser course when she was ready to do something foolish and rash. And I think they are learning a lot from each other and the longer they're married the more balanced they'll become as individuals. The husband and I are great friends and lots of people wonder why we didn't get together because we're so similar. And the answer is: we're so similar! LOL... --Lee

[Lee Flier]

[quote]Originally posted by Sylver: [b]Now, with all respect to my wife and Lee and all you women out there ... I think that some women, whether realixing it or not look for economic stability. If they percieve that a man is economically unstable, there is a tendency to dismiss that guy as "relationship material". Maybe that is part of your problem with women. I'm not saying that you don't have money, and I don't know whether you do or not, but for a perspective partner you may look unstable because you are a professional musician(at least, I've always gotton the impression that you make your living with music). [/b][/quote]No, Duke isn't a professional musician. But you're right about the financial thing. A LOT of women equate financial stability with emotional stability. And a lot of men also equate their self worth with their financial worth (and of course this can be reinforced by women). This sucks IMO. Sure, I want a guy that can pull his weight, but that doesn't have to translate to dollars. The fact is that if you feel emotionally secure with someone, periods of financial insecurity just don't matter as much. Yeah it sucks if you can't pay the bills but I don't expect the man to be the only one responsible for making that happen, and if there's something he can contribute to the relationship that he does better than making money, I'm fine with that, since I happen to have a skill that people are willing to pay me for. Then again I'm pretty broke myself these days cuz I gave up a lot of my work to be a starving musician :D , so a sugar daddy doesn't sound so bad right now either. :D I suppose for women who are low or no wage earners it would be more of an issue, especially if kids will be involved, and I guess that's just a necessary fact of life. But if you're a guy who doesn't make much money it's probably important to determine whether your economic worth is going to be an issue with the girl you're interested in. No sense in tying up your own self esteem with somebody who is never going to appreciate your good qualities as long as you don't bring home the bacon. --Lee

[Lee Flier]

[quote]Originally posted by SteveFortner: [b] 1. Lee, more women who are able to think like you would be half the equation involved in having a truly egalitarian society with non-f**ed up love relationships being the rule instead of the exception. The more I read your posts, the more I think human cloning isn't a bad idea. :) [/b][/quote]No way! I'm having enough trouble getting ONE of me married! :D Can ya at least wait till I find my soul mate and then you can clone both of us? LOL... Kidding aside... I do appreciate all the nice comments especially at a time when I am pretty royally sick of being single myself. And it's nice to know how many "real men" there are on the MP forums! You guyz rule! :D [quote][b] I know that in this world one is bound to encounter very damaged and unhappy people who behave badly. But the more men I talk to, the more stories like mine I hear. It seems no less common than reports of men abusing women. This doesn't give me feelings of misogyny, it just makes me wonder WTF is up with our society.[/b][/quote]Yeah, that's it exactly. There are just tons of psychos out there, of both sexes. Of course whichever sex you have to deal with in a relationship is going to seem like the bigger psycho. :D But in any case it's very sad that there are so many people walking around with such deep unmet needs. There are a lot of reasons for this in our sociey IMO, I could go on about that for a long time. But the bottom line is it sucks! [quote][b] 3. At this point in my short life (I'm 32) I've found that the cliche that you only meet the right person when you truly "love yourself" is indeed true, but only paritally. If you feel bad about yourself, you'll exhibit an uncanny subconscious knack for winding up with people who confirm those bad feelings. But feeling good about yourself, and showing all the right outward signs (physical fitness, financial responsibility, etc) is no guarantee that you will find your soul mate, if there is such a thing. A whole lot of luck is involved as well, methinks. [/b][/quote]AHEM... yep. [quote][b] 4. You can be as good to yourself as possible, but hit a point where you legitimately worry that you are just not going to be one of the people who has that luck. This is why people "settle." [/b][/quote]Yep. I could never "settle" personally... but you do reach a point where you can get really down because you haven't found the right person and that inevitably will cause you to question yourself and say "What's wrong with me?" which affects your self esteem, which causes you to not come off as well to people so then you get ignored even more and it's a viscious cycle. I guess if someone is really your soul mate they'll see through that somehow though. That's pretty much what happened with me and my band, actually. I hadn't been in a band in a while, didn't want to "settle", but because I hadn't been playing it really ate away at my confidence and I wasn't so gung-ho about meeting people and promoting myself. But somehow my now-bandmates, whom I already knew were my favorite bassist and drummer in town, seemed to realize that and realize it was worth asking me to play with them even though they hadn't heard me. Which turned out to be a good move for everyone concerned, to understate the case! I guess it took a little bit of luck and timing, but also a lot of insight on their part, for that to happen - insight that perhaps only a "soul mate" can have. By the same token I have been able to fill in a lot of pieces that have been missing from THEIR previous bands, and have insights into them that no one else has. So it can work... but geez... like Tom Petty said "The waiting is the hardest part". --Lee

[Sylver]

Oh, Lee, you are so cool! Your attitudes remind me of my wife a lot actually. You're right on the moeny about guys though, there are plenty of damaged goods out there on the males side of things. I have a friend who destroys women professionally. An ex-bandmate in fact(I bet you never would have guessed that he was the lead singer :rolleyes: ). He moves from one relationship to the next wreaking emotional, mental and finantial havoc on thier lives, then starts banging someone else, leaves all of his possesions(and occasionally some of mine too. I lost a really nice bass that way) and moves on. Funny thing is, he kicks himsellf about it afterwards. Of course this doesn't keep history from repeating itself. I think he needs the tables turned on him ... lol! :D Jack

[halljams]

[quote]Originally posted by TheWewus: [b]" I don't know why women are so bitchy all the time. They've got most of the power in the world and all the pussy." 500 Simoleans to the person who can tell me who said that.[/b][/quote]UUMMM .... Keanna Reeves?

[henryrobinett]

[quote]Originally posted by halljams: [b] [quote]Originally posted by TheWewus: [b]" I don't know why women are so bitchy all the time. They've got most of the power in the world and all the pussy." 500 Simoleans to the person who can tell me who said that.[/b][/quote]UUMMM .... Keanna Reeves?[/b][/quote]Keanu Reeves?! I was thinking Richard Pryor but I don't think he'd use the word "bitchy".

[LiveMusic]

Well, sonofabitch, I typed one HELLUVA reply, damn good one and the whole thing disappeared. I _HATE_ computers sometimes. I don't think I have the energy to recreate it. Peace and Love, I'll leave it at that.

[G. Ratte]

[quote] I despise "Sex and the CIty" for that very reason. It packages completely empty values as female empowerment. Put it this way: If there was a show about four good-looking, successful urban professional MEN treating women in a similar fashion and then reducing their misadventures to a series of glib one-liners over $15 martinis, the overall reaction from women (and a lot of men) would be one of extreme offense and disgust [/quote]Right on, I hate this show...my last gf, it was her favorite. She'd say "it's so realistic!" When I heard that, uuuuuuuuh. Big sinking feeling, trouble's a comin'. This is weird, too. She and a small circle of friends have a website now with personal blogs and they run down their after-work lives of expensive restaurants, then the bars, then the one-night-stands. Wow, just like the TV-show, here in Manhattan. So I torture myself reading this shit and think "I used to be in love with this girl for over a year?!" I didn't know!! goddamn. They just did a shoot for FHM magazine as "the girls on the couch" where they detail their sex lives, cheating, etc. It'll be out in a couple months. Wow. She was supposed to be the bridesmaid at her best friend since HS's wedding; then one day she just decided she didn't wanna do it and never talked to her friend again, totally ditched her. That's rough. This girl is crazy-hot, bubbly personality, can quote Hegel at the drop of a hat...so in NYC, 8 million people; she's pulling people, dropping them, whatever. I can't relate... but it makes me really appreciate this one female friend, we've been close over 5 years and she never flakes on me now & then over romantic stuff like my other girl friends do. She's always down and I love her platonically and that makes me feel really good that she's out there. So even when my romantic life is going to shit, I think about our situation and everything's cool enough. Loyalty is where it's at. You need a crew that's down, and I'm a down MF. Here's to the stand-up people in this world, who don't flake like dandruff. G. Ratte'/cDc

[Tom Capasso]

Livemusic, Sorry that things are not going in the direction that you want them to. I think Dan, Lee, and others have given some sound (sorry, I couldn't resist) counsel. It is also impressive that so many here have taken your situation seriously and have spoken directly to it. Myself, I'm not able to offer better advice than what's been provided. I just couldn't help but note the repeated presence of alcohol. I don't drink much, and I couldn't deal with being around people that are more than a bit high. And it sounds like too many bad times in your situation ("wife of friend" especially) have this "added element". It would make me think hard about where I want to spend my time...but that's just me. As to the difference between men and women, I've been more aware of this lately (I'm 47) when I deal with women (mainly my wife, but family and friends as well). It's helped to understand that others don't think/process/reason the same way I do. I'm not saying I understand everybody else, I'm just trying to think before I open my trap. Good luck finding what makes you whole (whether in a mate or elsewhere in life). [quote]Originally posted by Sylver: [b]...Now, here is my slant on things: The thing that causes the major problems between men and women can be broken down very easily. Men are serial(not cereal) devices, and women are parallel devices.... Jack[/b][/quote]This was [i]GREAT !![/i] My wife tells me this all the time. :eek: Tom

[Dan South]

[quote]Originally posted by Sylver: [b]The thing that causes the major problems between men and women can be broken down very easily. Men are seriel(not cereal) devices, and women are parallel devices. Women, by their nature are able to do many things at once. My wife can talk on the phone, wipe a nose, type on the computer and watch a tv all at the same time. Men, can only do one thing at a time, and when asked to go beyond those limits fails miserably. Every know a guy that could watch the kids AND get some housework done? Nope. It doesn't happen. This point manifests itself in two very important ways, which is where the most friction comes from ... Women tend to stretch themselves to full proccessing power, making them much more likely to breakdown, or freak out. This can take the form of "being a bitch" or having a breakdown. That's why men think that women are crazy and over emotional. Men on the other hand, only able to do one thing at a time, tend to focus intently on one and only one thing. This tends to make them have attention deficit disorder(which I think is a fancy scientific term for being a man. I've never known a woman to have this disorder) Ever try to have a conversation with a man with a TV on in a room. You may think that we are involved in the conversation, but we are faking it. Our eyes will keep flicking over to the TV, no matter how many times we've seen the commercial. That's why women think men are self centered and unresponsive. The human race, therefore, would be hopelessly doomed, except for the fact that we have these insane sex drives that make us do things like have sex without protection, which results in more humans. All opinions above are solely those of the editor, and are wild speculation, having no basis in scientific fact. Jack[/b][/quote]Scientific fact or not, this post is pure genius. I nominate it for best post so far in 2002 on SSS. Brilliant!

[Sylver]

[quote]Originally posted by Dan South: \Scientific fact or not, this post is pure genius. I nominate it for best post so far in 2002 on SSS. Brilliant![/QB][/quote]Wow, with cudos like that, I wish I could turn it into a song lyric. Let's see, what rhymes with parallel ...

[Wewus432]

That quote I gave earlier in the thread was Richard Pryor as guessed correctly by henryRobinett. Sir your check is in the mail. henry what do you mean you don't think Pryor would use the word bitchy he used to be the foulest mouth SOB on the face of the earth. I think he said that before he got burned up things just didn't seem as funny after that.

[andy_dup10]

Duke For what it's worth, neither of the planets you mention actually support life and maybe that's the problem: two dead planets that don't belong in the same solar system? May be we should say that men are from Earth and women are from another planet very similar but the sky is a different colour. There is some excellent advice been given in the replies to your inquiry but the top and bottom of the man women conundrum is both want the same thing but on their own terms. There is a lot of pressure for men and women to conform to certain stereo-types and with the rise of feminism, this has view has become distorted with women now believing that not only do they demand a bigger slice of the cake but they also want the whole thing and the keys to the bakery too in order to stop men from eating the cake and making any more . How does this help you? Well not a lot really because as you get older dating gets harder and for a bloke that means looking at younger girls who haven't been traumatised by failed relationships. However, it's not impossible as younger girls do like older men how have the wit, wisdom, maturity, and experience over their younger rivals. Be positive about your self and get stuck-in. I know it's scarey but what in life isn't! I hope this is of help otherwise you have just wasted about 20 seconds of your life for nothing. Good luck. Cheers ;)

[henryrobinett]

[quote]Originally posted by TheWewus: [b]That quote I gave earlier in the thread was Richard Pryor as guessed correctly by henryRobinett. Sir your check is in the mail. henry what do you mean you don't think Pryor would use the word bitchy he used to be the foulest mouth SOB on the face of the earth. I think he said that before he got burned up things just didn't seem as funny after that.[/b][/quote]I got it right!! Cool. "Bitchy" just seems too, too . . . I don't know. He'd say "BITCH!", but "bitchy" is something a woman might call another woman. It's more of a polite form of an insult. I guess that's how I read it. I didn't mean he was ABOVE using language like that. Mr. Foul Mouth. But for a time he was, and still is, when he was, the funniest man on earth. But of course he was on crack. And then he did "The Toy" with Jackie Gleason and lost all respectability. What was THAT shit all about? But what does this have to do with men and women?

[Ignatius Riley]

There, I removed the "offending" link (but I thought it was quite hilarious!). Ciao, Iggy.

[Sylver]

WARNING: THE ABOVE POST LEADS TO PICTURES OF MALES GENITALIA!! THOSE OF YOU AT WORK, OR WHO HAVE KIDS IN THE ROOM, DON'T CLICK ON IT. A little warning would have been nice. :mad:

[strat0124]

Sex is like playing bridge, you better have a good partner or a good hand.....Woody Allen.