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[Anderton]

Another reason why I think we have a little better quality is that registration is required to post; you can't just start flaming away on impulse. When SSS was on AOL, we had only people who were willing to pay $3 an hour to be in the forums. That certainly kept out the jerks, few people wanted to pay that much just to vent.

[michael saulnier]

[quote]Originally posted by Anderton: [b]When SSS was on AOL, we had only people who were willing to pay $3 an hour to be in the forums. That certainly kept out the jerks, few people wanted to pay that much just to vent.[/b][/quote] Pay to vent... isn't that what "shrinks" are for? guitplayer

[dansouth]

[quote]Originally posted by alphajerk: [b] i think MP has a really nice cross section of people from every nature of the business. i think even if we dont agree with each others ideas, we take them into consideration and not just blow them off. hopefully we cause each other to think more about what we do.[/b][/quote] Good synopsis! The respectful give and take attitude of the MP forums creates a great learning environment. Even when little scuffles arise, there's always some value to the information that gets passed around in the heat of battle.

[dansouth]

[quote]Originally posted by Curve Dominant: [b] I know I was a little "off-da-hook" when I first came here, but Craig's guidance has taught me to chill out and approach it more intelligently. I've become a better person since I've joined this forum, and I look forward to learning more and more as more people from divergent backgrounds participate.[/b][/quote] Curvey! I ALWAYS thought your were cool, my man. Maybe I'm off-da-hook there witchya. [img]http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/wink.gif[/img]

[Sp3nc3r]

I've been coming to MP's Forums for quite a while now. There's two MAJOR factors that keep me coming back; 1) The amount of knowledge being openly shared by both veterans and newbies alike (I still consider myself somewhat of a newbie). I have increased my engineering "bag 'o tricks" exponentially since last year, and I am grateful beyond words 2) The high calibre of those frequenting these forums. Everyone is respectful of one another, willing to help at the drop of a hat, and posesses a HUGE sense of humour (quick glance in Tedster's and Khan's general direction [img]http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img]). There's no other forum in existance that is of such quality. The vast array of personalities keeps it that much more colourful. Everyone deserves a massive pat on the back for keeping that way. Cheers!!! Spencer

[TAZZ]

I'm a fairly new here and just want to say THANKS TO ALL!!!!!!! This is one of VERY few places to get an INTELLIGENT ANSWER, without a bunch of BS. [img]http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/cool.gif[/img]

[Trash Monkey]

Hi All, As a recent transplant here I can tell you that there are indeed forums and lists out there that purely discriminate against newbies. God forbid you ask a simple question when you get into new gear you are unfamiliar with and don't even THINK about answering a question if you are not one of the original 5 list members cause they'll flame you to hell. MP forums rule, you guys are just more laid back and agreeable. I scour through most of the forums, read the tech articles, in short I try to use the forums to give my clients the BEST possible recordings they can get with my rig and their money. Russ

[not coaster MODERATOR]

Because if we can't laugh at ourselves, then by gosh........... Let's laugh at someone else!

[Philip OKeefe]

[quote]Originally posted by guitplayer: [b] Pay to vent... isn't that what "shrinks" are for? guitplayer[/b][/quote] LOL! Actually what I thought when I saw this was "pay to vent" is what a punk band that plays a gig at the Roxy (or insert your "favorite" club's name here) does when they have to pre-purchase / sell tickets as a condition of gigging at said establishment... Phil O'Keefe Sound Sanctuary Recording Riverside CA http://members.aol.com/ssanctuary/index.html email: pokeefe777@msn.com

[badfish]

I got an idea, put up a flamers forum, that way they can flame each other all to hell and not get in the way of the wonderful learning process that the forums here have. But it does not matter to me because I can just not respond to the occasional bouts of mental defecation that plagues mp from time to time. I would like to say though, that this is probably the best learning tool that I have come across in a long while. Some of those pompous know it alls have good ideas just terrible interpersonal skills.

[Senator]

Man, there's lots of people on these forums who are just wankers with nothing to do. They start pointless arguments and talk total shit. I DON'T KNOW ANY MUSICIANS WHO CAN TYPE MORE THAN 50 WORDS A MINUTE. The amount of tossy shite that is posted proves that many postees are otherwise intersted (not tunes). [img]http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif[/img] ------------------ Ed

[alphajerk]

hey ed, i can type over 50 words a minute AND play guitar, bass, keybuards, and drums... i also engineer, produce, program, and whatever else. i'll stop there with the different skills i own but its just a fraction of what i do. what is it not cool for a musician to be computer literate? what a fucking stupid comment.

[surfjunkie]

i think seator ed's point was that there are a lot of non-music production topics here for a music site forum. also a S.F. comment, and a waste of his far superior typing skills.

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Does anyone else see the irony of a "aren't our forums so civil" thread possibly turning into a slugfest...? [img]http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img]

[Anderton]

No, it won't turn into a slugfest. I don't think people here have the time for slugfests. Generally, when someone posts something stupid, everyone sort of notes that it's stupid and moves on. As to covering non-music topics...well, most are related to music in some tangential fashion...but I like that there are a variety of topics here. It's interesting to hear a musician's take on political matters, for example. My model for this forum is like a giant cocktail party where musicians get together and unwind. Just like a real party, people sort of break off into groups and discuss things. The majority of the discussions relate to music and technology, but as we all know, there's more to life than that.

[Senator]

[quote]Originally posted by alphajerk: [b] what is it not cool for a musician to be computer literate?[/b][/quote] Are you serious? Fuck man. [img]http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/confused.gif[/img] Let's exchange the word 'any' with 'many'. My original comment was a badly worded agreement with the original post. My point being that excellent musicians log on and give up altogether because the questions they need answered are swamped by techheads who know fuck all about the subject at hand and are simply displaying computing prowess. How many pot-head bass players with excessive knowledge in a given area feel comfortable logging on to this shit?? i know lot's that don't. That's my point. Alpha, you asked a question. You should have left it there. ------------------ Ed

[strat0124]

Bass players who smoke ganja?????? Say it ain't so! I understand where you're coming from. I read and write on this thing while at work.....honestly don't have time at home to surf the net. Although I have had some great back and forth friendly banter, occasionally things either get swamped with technobabble or turn into individual instances of arrogant indignation. It's all about perception....and a simple hello might be misconstrued by another as a slam. I don't take any of it to heart.....it's kinda like going to a party, if you contribute to a conversation and get feedback, you may contribute more.....or if you contribute what you personally think is significant and either get ignored or drowned in a sea of diction, seemingly to elevate themselves from those they deem "no talent"....yeah it's rude, but it's the internet.....the haven for rudeness. Mostly here, folks are cool, and give mutual respect....it's not always the case though. I know who I can talk to and expect a great response from....whether we agree or disagree. If I didn't have so much time at work to mess around online, I might not have never found this place. Again, brutally honest, nobody really would lose sleep if I never came again....it's the nature of the medium we choose to BS on....folks come and go.

[alphajerk]

no ed, im not serious at all. imagine me saying it with a big fucking smile [img]http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img]

[Senator]

[quote]Originally posted by alphajerk: [b]no ed, im not serious at all. imagine me saying it with a big fucking smile [img]http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img][/b][/quote] If I imagined you saying anything to me at all it not be offensive and with the proper respect due, like anyone who looks at me. Remote communication allows the willing certain freedoms... Ya hear that lawn mower man! Ya 4376 posts don't scare me buddy [img]http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img] This message has been edited by Senator on 07-27-2001 at 12:18 AM

[Chip McDonald]

[quote]Originally posted by Senator: [b] How many pot-head bass players with excessive knowledge in a given area feel comfortable logging on to this shit?? i know lot's that don't. That's my point. [/b][/quote] What does it matter if they're a pot head or not? ------------------ [b]New and Improved Music Soon:[/b] http://www.mp3.com/chipmcdonald

[dansouth]

Hmm. Fooled me. I thought Ed's earlier post was facetious, as though he were making a jokingly nasty post, a la Khan's earlier example about waiting until someone cool posts, etc. Then his response to alpha seemed a little more serious, although maybe it was just a product of escalation. The beauty of MP forums is that anyone can post here. You don't have to be brilliant, yet you can rub elbows with brilliant people like Craig, Roger, et al. You're bound to learn something unless you act like a total weenie, pissing all over everything and everyone. I've been to a few other forums, and most have been cordial and supportive. One went belly up because a troll moved in and caused so much "noise" that the sponsors decided to pull the plug. That was the exception, though. I find that most people who frequent music technology forums recognize the kinship in similar interests and the opportunity to leverage their combined experience for the good of all. The attention deprived wankers who lash out just to get noticed move on to greener pastures. These guys need a continuous stream of new people to "tell off," because the cumulative total of people that they "put down" or "teach a lesson" is heavily tied to their sense of self-worth.

[alphajerk]

[quote]Originally posted by Senator: [b] If I imagined you saying anything to me at all it not be offensive and with the proper respect due, like anyone who looks at me. Remote communication allows the willing certain freedoms... Ya hear that lawn mower man! Ya 4376 posts don't scare me buddy [img]http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img][/b][/quote] oh id say it to your face and you wouldnt find it offensive. but proper respect due? respect is given, not paid. [img]http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img] life allows us certain freedoms.

[soapbox]

Anytime you get into an "us vs. them" argument, aren't you involving yourself in a type of clique ("us")? Just a question...preparing to dodge flames...ouch! [img]http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/wink.gif[/img]

[Senator]

[quote]Originally posted by soapbox: [b]Anytime you get into an "us vs. them" argument, aren't you involving yourself in a type of clique ("us")? [img]http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/wink.gif[/img][/b][/quote] Yes. At the start of this page I made a directionless comment about the amount of threads that crumble into complete bullshit from one simple question. If someone posts something 'wrong' they are attacked like cod in a sharkpool. It is not musicians, well none that I know, that can be bothered with the personal to and fro that develops. Hence the '50 words a minute' comment. I am still slightly offended that someone who didn't catch the vibe would ask what I mean and then call my comment 'fucking stupid'. I was actually just trying to spread a bit of warmth to those who do feel like cod, sorry for stepping on toes in the process! PS Bass players habits not important at all. Used descriptively like 'school of hairy drummers'. Not all the people included in this description need be hairy. Simply painting a picture. Figurative not literal. PPS This has degenerated into complete shit. Sorry for my part. ------------------ Ed This message has been edited by Senator on 07-29-2001 at 07:00 AM

[soapbox]

FWIW, my post was a light barb directed at the subject matter only. My comments do not represent the opinions of Musicplayer.com. They are meant only to give voice to a sleepy and silly individual. Thank you for your attention.

[Bonafide]

[quote]Originally posted by Senator: [b] Yes. At the start of this page I made a directionless comment about the amount of threads that crumble into complete bullshit from one simple question. [/b][/quote] No flame here. I do disagree though. I find the MP forums to be very valuable and have far less 'filler' than other music forums. I find most of the postees very inteligent and respectful and most of all helpful. Personalitys are 'allowed' here and tolerated and in my opinion help make this place a little more fun. A serious topic gets just as much attention as a silly topic. Often times people post a silly topic or un-music related topic because it is interesting and because it allows people to interact with each other without all of the techno babble. And then there is the 'Techno babble'.. I have learned a lot of interesting things reading the so called 'babble', there are a lot of well established, well connected engineers, producers and songwriters who frequent the MP forums. People with legitimate track records and peoples whos opinions I trust or at least can admire thier point of view. If you know musicians who won't participate because things are so 'out-of-hand here, I wonder how they get along in the real world. This forum is very reflective of the real world only we don't have the judgement of someone's appearance. Cheers.

[Rod S]

And I would like to add that the positive vibe in the forum usually mellows people out a bit. There's some people who have posted for a while which eventually have mellowed out and started being less insultive in postings. A lot of people have changed their handles to include their names instead of nicknames, and many have gone beyond the wall of anonimity to actually introduce themselves and tell us their name.

[alphajerk]

oh get over the 'fucking stupid comment' senator. its made tongue in cheek. dont be so offended.

[whosmatt]

i just like the fact that the BBS software doesn't automatically turn "fuck" into "f**k" or "shit" into "s**t." now THAT would be fucking stupid. [img]http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif[/img] [quote]Originally posted by alphajerk: [b]oh get over the 'fucking stupid comment' senator. its made tongue in cheek. dont be so offended.[/b][/quote]

[kudyba]

I could turn that fucking feature on if you'd prefer... [img]http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif[/img]