bvdd Posted July 23, 2001 Share Posted July 23, 2001 Scott from MA started an excellent thread in the guit section: "what's new on other forums". It's somewhat similar to this one I planned for today, but I wanted to specifically bitch about the CLICK factor. It's obvious that this forum is the major exception to the rule, being comprised of people vastly different in our experiences (as usual) but not taking any opposing views personally and not needing to strut around like demented peacocks with hard-ons just to impress beginners. There have been many I've been on before this since I seek out computer forums too, and the CLICK FACTOR is incredible. There is one VERY informative computer forum that unfortunately has about 5 guys who are self titled as "ABSOLUTE SUPREME MASTER TECH GOD" and the like. And trust me, they are never .. nor ever have been WRONG. Another very "COOL" software company's forum includes know-it-alls who will carry on arguments for days about the most ridiculous minute detail, just so they don't have to admit they didn't already know something. In May, a guy started a topic wanting to know what the secret was to mixing pop songs. When a friendly "newbie" suggested he try phase canceling one track just to see if it's the strange effect he was after ... the big shot lions had him for lunch. Complete with name calling. And just because the guy wanted to help someone. Then I stuck my nose in defending the guy, and I "dared" to call this bunch rude. So they spent the next WEEK really ganging up on me until the moderator finally locked the thread. Of course the moderator didn't lift a finger to support me either. To this day that thread is the one they all refer to as the most vicious .. but none will bring up the point of unnecessary flaming and rudeness. Sorry for the long ride here but being trashed on a forum by pompous jerks is quite a unique thing and I guess I've been holding on to my frustration for too long. In my opinion the participants and moderators here are the model for what ALL forums should be. And if a jerk shows up here, I think it's up to all of us to quickly get him to change his ways or move on. It doesn't hurt to be nice and there is no substitute for maturity. Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dansouth Posted July 23, 2001 Share Posted July 23, 2001 Unless you're talking about clicking the mouse, I think you mean "clique" factor. Are you referring to other MP forums, or forums outside of MP? The MP forums are well-managed and generally cordial, but differences of opinion are inevitible, and when feelings get hurt, flames will flare just like they do anywhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alphajerk Posted July 23, 2001 Share Posted July 23, 2001 i have a big problem with the "elitism" you mention... it doesnt happen at MP very often [although there is one or two posters who have the disease], but some of the other forums on the net its a BIG problem, one place in particular. im certainly one who thinks there is much to be learned from people of all levels with recordings music in which what is right tends to be heavily subjective. and i will quickly take on those who fail to see that and start vomiting their pompous diatribes. alphajerk FATcompilation "if god is truly just, i tremble for the fate of my country" -thomas jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strat0124 Posted July 23, 2001 Share Posted July 23, 2001 You can't escape the clicks...."birds of a feather"...just human nature. I totally agree with your assessment, but you may find that these folks found inclusion in some form or another just like folks have done here. I don't doubt that maturity plays an important role in how we relate to each other, but it's not always the case. I had an amp tech (on another board) thrash me because I said I liked the tone of the new Super Reverb. And he's several years my senior. Also, our "tone" when we post might be interpreted differently than we intended.....happens for sure. I don't think anyone that hangs here intentionally tries to hurt anyone else.....nor would I. But it's the web, and sooner or later somebody's gonna pick on a normally soft spoken regular, and the outsider will be besieged upon by ones already sporting inclusion. I hope that I have been a gentleman here, and have offered apologies when I think I may have offended anyone. I'm pretty outgoing, and don't let things bother me....though I have been slighted by someone here, won't mention a name...not bad....but it was their way to let me know I wasn't part of their group. I let it slide.....I find more positives here to let that one instance kill my inquisitive spirit. So yeah....clicks are everywhere. Down like a dollar comin up against a yen, doin pretty good for the shape I'm in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuri T. Posted July 23, 2001 Share Posted July 23, 2001 [quote]Originally posted by bvdd: ........In my opinion the participants and moderators here are the model for what ALL forums should be. And if a jerk shows up here, I think it's up to all of us to quickly get him to change his ways or move on. It doesn't hurt to be nice and there is no substitute for maturity........... Bill[/B][/quote] I think every regular on every forum feels the same way. That's why there's more than one forum. Different strokes ya' know. It all depends on point of view. You might feel part of the 'clique' on this forum where a newcomer might get flamed and then feel as you do about other forums. I regularly visit and post occasionally on a few forums. I just try to generally ignore most of the noise floor though maybe once or twice joined in the fray. [img]http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dansouth Posted July 23, 2001 Share Posted July 23, 2001 I notice that trolls don't last long here. I've seem them latch on to other forums to the point where intelligent discussion all but ceases. How have we remained troll resistant for so long? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHAN Posted July 23, 2001 Share Posted July 23, 2001 I have many important points to make on this subject, but I am going to wait until someone "COOL" starts a similar thread. [img]http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/redface.gif[/img] [img]http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img] ------------------ ----------- KHAN (Always hopeful, yet discontent) [url=http://www.floydtribute.hpwebhost.com]www.floydtribute.hpwebhost.com[/url] So Many Drummers. So Little Time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strat0124 Posted July 23, 2001 Share Posted July 23, 2001 [quote]Originally posted by KHAN: [b]I have many important points to make on this subject, but I am going to wait until someone "COOL" starts a similar thread. [img]http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/redface.gif[/img] [img]http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img] [/b][/quote] Funny stuff...Khan we can count on you.....Dguass can't be far behind!!!! Down like a dollar comin up against a yen, doin pretty good for the shape I'm in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bvdd Posted July 23, 2001 Author Share Posted July 23, 2001 Well, guess I didn't even know the correct spelling for 'click'. Ok .. clique it is, then. No, I'm not talking about other MP forums and I'm not talking about having different opinions. 'Elitism' as alpha calls it, is exactly what I mean. I do not feel like I'm part of ANY forum's clique .. certainly not here. In fact part of my point was that I don't see any 'clique type' behavior here at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dansouth Posted July 23, 2001 Share Posted July 23, 2001 A lot of factors go into the make up of a forum, but the personality of the participants is the biggest one. Most people here are serious about their craft. I suspect that that helps keep us "on topic." That doesn't mean that newbies aren't welcome, but no-talent fools who think the world of themselves will not get a warm reception here. [img]http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/wink.gif[/img] The next most important factor is the temperament of the moderators. More than one moderator here has made it clear that blatant B.S. without topical value will not be tolerated. That helps keep the "juvenile delinquents" at bay. [img]http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bvdd Posted July 23, 2001 Author Share Posted July 23, 2001 "I have many important points to make on this subject, but I am going to wait until someone "COOL" starts a similar thread." OK strat, slap me with the stupid stick again ... what does he mean? (boy it's embarrassing when you don't get a guy's humor) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted July 23, 2001 Share Posted July 23, 2001 Hey, if these forums aren't "cliquey" enough for everyone, then I'd be happy to stir up the pot if you'd like ;-). Here are some topics that should get some blood boiling: 1) Yngwie Malmsteen is the best guitar player that ever lived. 2) Analog rules. Digital sucks! 3) Macs are for people who can't use real computers. 4) Tube gear is the only way to fly. Solid state sounds too cold. 5) If you can play classical music then you can play anything Of course I'm just joshin' you all, so please don't play off these statements ;-). But in all seriousness, the reason that I love the MP forums is the huge amount of respect and decency that is shown everyday by just about everyone. Kudos to everyone! -Dylan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonafide Posted July 23, 2001 Share Posted July 23, 2001 [quote]Originally posted by dansouth@yahoo.com: [b]More than one moderator here has made it clear that blatant B.S. without topical value will not be tolerated. That helps keep the "juvenile delinquents" at bay. [img]http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif[/img][/b][/quote] Hey Dan, I agree. I think what makes this forum unique, (Actually most of the MP forums) is the intelligence factor. Aside from the random personalitys that give this forum its life, the topics and responses show maturity and thoughfulness. I think most of us have a high regard and respect for our moderator and he shows the respect back to this group. I have a sincere appreciation for this group and feel fortunate to have a place to learn, teach and voice my own opinion. The collective knowledge here is astounding. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. Gauss Posted July 23, 2001 Share Posted July 23, 2001 i'm not wearing any pants! -d. gauss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedster Posted July 23, 2001 Share Posted July 23, 2001 [quote]Originally posted by bvdd: [b]"I have many important points to make on this subject, but I am going to wait until someone "COOL" starts a similar thread." OK strat, slap me with the stupid stick again ... what does he mean? (boy it's embarrassing when you don't get a guy's humor) [/b][/quote] Khan's pulling your chain...poking fun at the "clique" thing by pretending to be cliquish. It's a joke... [img]http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img] Oh, and D...Be ye wearrrrrin' a kilt? "Cisco Kid, was a friend of mine" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bvdd Posted July 23, 2001 Author Share Posted July 23, 2001 duh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pro Jules Posted July 23, 2001 Share Posted July 23, 2001 Just checking in to see if everything here was 'clickety boo' See ya suckers! [img]http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/eek.gif[/img] Jules Jules Producer Julian Standen London, UK, Come hang here! http://www.gearslutz.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott from MA Posted July 23, 2001 Share Posted July 23, 2001 [quote]Originally posted by bvdd: [b]Scott from MA started an excellent thread in the guit section: "what's new on other forums". [/b][/quote] Hey, thanks! I was afraid that it would be viewed as pointless dribble, and everyone would tell me to shut up. [quote]Originally posted by bvdd: [b]It's obvious that this forum is the major exception to the rule, being comprised of people vastly different in our experiences (as usual) but not taking any opposing views personally and not needing to strut around like demented peacocks with hard-ons just to impress beginners.[/b][/quote] The thing that I have found most inviting about the MP forums is that people treat my opinion with as much validity as the next guys. Everywhere else that I have posted, you have to "prove yourself worthy" to the other members. ------------------ [b]Scott[/b] (just another cantankerous bastard) Scott (just another cantankerous bastard) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedster Posted July 24, 2001 Share Posted July 24, 2001 Scott from MA said... >>>The thing that I have found most inviting about the MP forums is that people treat my opinion with as much validity as the next guys. Everywhere else that I have posted, you have to "prove yourself worthy" to the other members. That's why I have so much fun posting here. I know nothing about anything, and y'all put up with my shit anyway. I LOVE YOU GUYS, MAN...(sob)... [img]http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img] (YOU'RE STILL NOT GETTING OUR BUD LIGHTS...TEDSTER!!!) Ahh well...off to studio land tonight. Wish us luck...and a bunch of killer first takes...(as if)... "Cisco Kid, was a friend of mine" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hippie Posted July 24, 2001 Share Posted July 24, 2001 Hey all, don't let the elitism on the forums bother you; the people that are responsible for this behavior are social misfits either by their looks or maybe their mother dropped them on their heads when they were young, I dunno. Everyone needs to be "king of something", if they choose an internet forum to be "top shit", that is small potatoes in the big scheme of things. Just let them go on their merry, fat, sun-starved, mommy's boys, cheetos eating, big fish in a little pond, self-rightious, horny, desperate, ways! [img]http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img] (or as another option, us bad mo-fo mp'ers can go over there and kick their sissy asses!) -Hippie In two days, it won't matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderton Posted July 24, 2001 Share Posted July 24, 2001 <> I think it's because these sites tend to be self-policing. When a troll appears, the cool people who frequent these forums don't take the bait. In fact, they just kind of make fun of the guy until he disappears. And when all else fails, there's my magic DELETE button [img]http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif[/img] Craig Anderton Educational site: http://www.craiganderton.org Music: http://www.youtube.com/thecraiganderton Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/craig_anderton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curve Dominant Posted July 24, 2001 Share Posted July 24, 2001 Spammers, too, usually live to regret posting here. I've seen some spammers driven to tears by our notoriously sarcastic anti-spamming methods. E Eric Vincent (ASCAP) www.curvedominant.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alphajerk Posted July 24, 2001 Share Posted July 24, 2001 i find two kinds of elitists, ones that have self esteem issues and others that are just old and set in their ways. the second are easily respectable because they just have lost touch with whats going on now, especially in the underground. its not the way they came up through the ranks. they resemble the doctors of yesterday thinking is OKAY for interns to work far more hours than they should because thats how THEY did it. REALITY dictates this is WRONG and hopefully LAW will soon agree [i DONT want to be medically serviced by some intern lacking sleep and more importantly judgement]... of course recording isnt brain sugery so this method of learning isnt the only way either... the first bunch are the most obnoxious. these people are outright SCARED of whats going on in the underground [or what they call in a derogatory manner, hobbiests] and fear for their views, their jobs, and their own self worth... those are the people i like to fuck with the most and go out of my way to do. i have no respect for them or anything they do. and nothing gets them more than beating them at their game. they are the ones who tend to fall back on the DAWs are worthless and nothing good can be accomplished on them and 2" is the answer to everything, fortunately thats just not true. everything is ONLY what you make of it. i think MP has a really nice cross section of people from every nature of the business. i think even if we dont agree with each others ideas, we take them into consideration and not just blow them off. hopefully we cause each other to think more about what we do. shit, we even talk about religion here with great passion and hopefully at the end of it, we are no less friends because of it. we agree to disagree. not only that but a LOT more can be said here than any other forum i have been to [and have been banned from] alphajerk FATcompilation "if god is truly just, i tremble for the fate of my country" -thomas jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chip McDonald Posted July 24, 2001 Share Posted July 24, 2001 What's different about this forum is that there is that it is *very lightly* moderated, and moderated by clearly respected people - instead of "unknowns". The virtual sensation being something like the last day of school, perhaps; the teachers have *some* authority, but there is a tacit understanding that things are pretty free to a point. Hmm. Of course, having said that things ARE pretty "free to a point" - I'm not sure that "point" has been reached (speaking from my personal, uhm.... "interesting" interactions). ------------------ [b]New and Improved Music Soon:[/b] http://www.mp3.com/chipmcdonald Guitar Lessons in Augusta Georgia: www.chipmcdonald.com Eccentric blog: https://chipmcdonaldblog.blogspot.com/ / "big ass windbag" - Bruce Swedien Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chessparov Posted July 24, 2001 Share Posted July 24, 2001 Even though I'm a relative "newbie" in recording and posting here, I'm also very impressed with the high standard of this bbs and the quality of "return" responses to my questions. The ironic thing about the best people in any given field, is that they tend to have less to prove-therefore they're better at giving guidance or tactfully sharing their opinion with others. Of course a sense of humor makes it even more entertaining! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
- Posted July 24, 2001 Share Posted July 24, 2001 Well, I don't have anything to say that hasn't already been said, but... GROUP HUG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [img]http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHAN Posted July 24, 2001 Share Posted July 24, 2001 GO TEDDY, GO !!!!!!!! [img]http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img] ------------------ ----------- KHAN (Always hopeful, yet discontent) [url=http://www.floydtribute.hpwebhost.com]www.floydtribute.hpwebhost.com[/url] So Many Drummers. So Little Time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curve Dominant Posted July 24, 2001 Share Posted July 24, 2001 chessparov posted: [quote]Even though I'm a relative "newbie" in recording and posting here, I'm also very impressed with the high standard of this bbs and the quality of "return" responses to my questions.[/quote] Chessparov, I, in turn, am impressed with the quality of "newbies" such as yourself who have been joining this board as of late. Craig's board attracts a quality clientele, and I believe it reflects accurately and fairly on him. I know I was a little "off-da-hook" when I first came here, but Craig's guidance has taught me to chill out and approach it more intelligently. I've become a better person since I've joined this forum, and I look forward to learning more and more as more people from divergent backgrounds participate. Eric Vincent Curve Dominant Sound&Vision curvdominant@earthlink.net Eric Vincent (ASCAP) www.curvedominant.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael saulnier Posted July 24, 2001 Share Posted July 24, 2001 Oh boy, oh boy!!! I wanna be in a clique, or even a click! Is there a secret handshake, or a inside joke no one else gets? Is Valky a member or Lee or Lisa or Jungle Girl? (I like music girl cliques the BEST! [img]http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img]) If not, sign me up for Chip's cat-herder clique... it's the fur that makes it better. [img]http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img] Or is it really an asylum? ... oh well, I'm only a... guitplayer ------------------ http://www.mp3.com/acousticvoodoo Guitar Forum CD Info http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/Forum19/HTML/000537.html I'm still "guitplayer"! Check out my music if you like... http://www.michaelsaulnier.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 24, 2001 Share Posted July 24, 2001 I drift around different forums. Some are better than others. It is never my intention to make friends, but to share interests and compare ideas, or match wits. My one pet peeve is long posts. That seems to be one flaw here at MP. Usenet is really bad for cliques. rec.audio.pro is a prime example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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