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My dad went to take pics down at the park of an eagle and it's nest area again today and the eagle flew off, and the feather sailed it's way under his car. I do realize these are illegal to keep unless you are Native American but I am so, I'm going to frame it!

 

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Very cool!

 

I don't think it is illegal for non-native Americans to keep an eagle feather; just how one obtains it.

 

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Franky - from Alaska. My great grandpa was from Point Hope -- William Oquilluk:

 

http://www.earthinstitute.columbia.edu/news/images/AlaskaStoryteller.jpg

 

His daughter Etta, my grandma is still alive (late 60's) so that leaves my mom at 1/2 and me at 1/4 Inupiaq. Apparently he proved some kind of Alaska climate record by means of counting tree rings... more info here:

http://www.turtletrack.org/Issues00/Co05062000/CO_05062000_Summer.htm

 

And there is quite a bit of text excerpted from his book here:

http://www.alaskool.org/native_ed/historicdocs/people_of_kauwerak/kauwerak_pp.htm

 

I really want the book, I have a great Aunt in Alaska who can get me a copy but I've been waiting years. Might as well buy used through Amazon...

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That's awesome Phait! I looked at both of those links and it's pretty cool stuff.

 

I met a folk singer named Ethan Daniel Davidson who used to live in a tiny village in Alaska called Wiseman. Ethan said that only about a dozen people lived there.

 

Ethan has some sound files on his website at

http://www.ethandanieldavidson.com/

 

Some of the links on his website are broken, but if you go to

http://www.ethandanieldavidson.com/edd-start.htm

and click on music, you will see 5 album covers. Click on each one to see which sound files are available.

 

I've seen Ethan play a number of times in Des Moines. I also drove up and saw him in Wisconsin. One show in a suburb of Milwaukee and one in Madison. I don't think he's played in Appleton though.

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Originally posted by Phait:

Yeah, I believe you need a permit, and I suppose they only issue those for research or educational purposes. Without that, it's illegal.

Well, my Mother-In-Law is Cree/Blackfeet; my wife has an eagle feather; neither have used them for research or education. You gotta be Native. Otherwise....
I've upped my standards; now, up yours.
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Phait, if your great grandpa was Inuit, I'd say you have every right to have that feather.

 

(Native American Shaman voice) Use it wisely...

 

Sigh...I miss living in Alaska sometimes...

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i got a Buntspecht (Picoides major) feather two day ago, the cat brought him home, still alive, but he died next day

 

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I read the act. I don't think it prohibits anyone who finds a feather from keeping it. Finding and keeping a single feather would not qualify as "taking" or "collecting" eagle parts. I could be wrong, but the line it draws seems to stop short of that.

 

-Peace, love, and Brittanylips

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There are other eagles too and neither they, nor their parts, are protected. Only the Bald and Golden Eagles are within the scope of the protection act.

 

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Actually, Brittanylips, not only does the act prohibit anyone from keeping a found feather, I don't see anything in the link Phait provided that gives him the right to keep his feather.

 

Indian or not, according the the website you must provide the following to the Fish & Wildlife Service to possess whole eagles or parts of eagles:

 

  • A completed application obtained from your nearest FWS Regional Office
  • Certification of tribal enrollment from the Bureau of Indian Affairs

 

Do you have certification as a member of a tribe, Phait?

 

Chances are it will never be an issue, but technically, it appears to be illegal for Phait to keep this feather, regardless of his lineage.

 

When they say parts, Brittanylips, that means anything. Unfortunately, people have been known to kill animals for feathers, hence the hard line on keeping feathers. Phait knows a bird was neither harmed nor killed to obtain this feather, but the FWS has no way of knowing.

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Yeah what Neil says is true, although like he said, I doubt it will ever be an issue.

 

Phait, the Native Americans of the plains only awarded eagle feathers to someone who had performed a worthy coup or act of bravery. Did you do something that you haven't told us about? ;)

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Originally posted by Wooden:

WOW they need a certificate? you know of all of the ancient cultures, native americans, and ancient asian cultures are what i like the most.

I'm 100% saxon-Germanic our tribe goes thousands of years back. Our most common ceremony is to drink beer untill we drop. We don't collect feathers, we rob other tribes feathers.

Fan, nu pissar jag taggtråd igen. Jag skulle inte satt på räpan.

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Originally posted by Phait:

Boosh bud where have you been?

Had a very rough time here with me and my family but I'm back,... Not totally happy again but we're okay.

 

Hey I just found an eagle missing a feather. Do you think I can keep it?

Fan, nu pissar jag taggtråd igen. Jag skulle inte satt på räpan.

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Originally posted by fantasticsound:

Actually, Brittanylips, not only does the act prohibit anyone from keeping a found feather, I don't see anything in the link Phait provided that gives him the right to keep his feather.

 

Indian or not, according the the website you must provide the following to the Fish & Wildlife Service to possess whole eagles or parts of eagles:

 

  • A completed application obtained from your nearest FWS Regional Office
  • Certification of tribal enrollment from the Bureau of Indian Affairs

 

Do you have certification as a member of a tribe, Phait?

 

Chances are it will never be an issue, but technically, it appears to be illegal for Phait to keep this feather, regardless of his lineage.

 

When they say parts, Brittanylips, that means anything.

I understand what a part is. The act prohibits people from doing certain things with eagles and eagle parts, but I don't believe that finding and keeping a single feather would rise to the threshold of those things expressly prohibited by the act.

 

If a feather happens to flutter down onto your doorstep, I think you're OK, I don't think that rises to the threshold of "the take, transport, sale, barter, trade, import and export, and possession of eagles."

 

-Peace, Love, and Brittanylips

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But it does...

 

I've read all too many stories of people coming up against laws designed to protect endangered species where common sense goes out the window to err on the side of protecting the endangered animals.

 

The most famous instance of this occured about 10 years ago, when a farmer ran over a protected rodent, IIRC., with his tractor while working his land. Somehow it got out that he'd hit the animal which was found to be a protected species, and he was instantly up to his neck in lawsuits and bureaucratic red tape. He may have even lost his farm over the issue. All because a protected rodent crossed the path of his tractor in a field on his property.

 

A feather, a foot, a beak, a whole body.. it doesn't matter. The law rarely examines the individual circumstances in these cases.

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Oh this is one of those silly things people argue about on the internet.

 

We're being silly.

 

I'm sure it's OK to keep the feather.

 

It's also OK to pass a feather on to your kids.

 

The feather - and posessing it - is not the problem. It's certain actions that are prohibited. Killing an eagle, buying its feathers, or a Native American giving a feather to a muggle are prohibited actions. But if you see a feather on the forest floor, I'm pretty sure there's no part of the act that is violated by picking it up.

 

But this is silly. We're both arguing, and neither of us really knows for sure.

 

But I'm right.

 

:)

 

(Secretary) eagle burger, anyone?

 

-Peace, Love, and BaldEagleLips

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BTW - Here's the first reference I've found to the incident I mentioned earlier. The sources motives in mentioning it are certainly biased, but the facts do seem in order from the news coverage I heard at the time.

 

Near Bakersfield, Calif., a farmer was arrested in 1994 by Fish and Wildlife officers for inadvertently killing five Tipton kangaroo rats while plowing his own soil. His tractor and plow were seized as "murder weapons." Under the ESA he faced heavy fines and three years in prison.

 

from this website

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