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Ani,

 

I think you'd better stop while you're ahead. Or at least do some research before asking anymore silly questions. I thought nose-to-the-books research was one of your oft-used and better strengths?

 

Oh, and FWIW, your biggest obstacle is going to be obtaining a work visa for Australia. There are various facets and exceptions, but for the most part you have to have a desired set of skills that they cannot muster up locally in order to get any long-term employment. And that's going to be tough, because Australians are pretty effin' sharp ;)

 

You might be able to find temporary "shit-job" level work, and chase employer sponsorships that way, but you can't really depend on that and the rug can be pulled out from you at any moment.

 

As far as social interaction and how well received you might be in Australia, i think you've seen a pretty good preview of that in this thread. People only treat you like you are, sweetheart.

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Originally posted by Ani:

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Originally posted by Bon Mot:

"newfoundland?" okay, Ani. Good One. You really had me going there, what with the "local yoko's" and all. Pretty funny. :freak: and I'm not ashamed to admit to an error... Newfoundland to Cape Cod.... :rolleyes::o

Huh? :confused: , Just kidding, I get it. It's not supposed to be understandable, in any context. Which is good because it certainly isn't! You're just keeping things moving. Kind of like telling the entire forum, "So you folks think you're nuts? Then riddle me this, Batman!" :thu:
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Riled up? Nope, not me. Other than the fact that I have some Aussie friends & try to hold a high opinion of humanity in general, it doesn't really affect my being when you wave around such obviously misguided opinions.

 

Yet - a simple statement that what you said was insulting is supposed to be an attempt to hijack this thread? Umm, okay...

 

I used to date a woman from KC, and she was really messed up in the head. Plus, I saw a show on TV that said there's a lot of cult activity out there. Are all women from KC completely insane, or are there women there who are capable of actually having a civil relationship with other people? Honestly, I want to know.

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Oh, and FWIW, your biggest obstacle is going to be obtaining a work visa for Australia. There are various facets and exceptions, but for the most part you have to have a desired set of skills that they cannot muster up locally in order to get any long-term employment. And that's going to be tough, because Australians are pretty effin' sharp
Phaeton,

 

FWIW, I would not be ignorant enough to attempt relocation to another continent without all of my t's crossed and my i's dotted. That means a secure job lined up, my living accommodations prearranged, and a visa or work agreement in place. I agree that Australians are pretty effin' sharp, John Sayers, Nursers, and Keysking, among others here on the forums are prime examples of great intelligence.

 

What this discussion is about, just so happens to be a "GLOBAL" job listing that caters to "MY" field of expertise. After all, I am considered to have expert skills in the packaging and shipping industry and I have certification stating so at national levels. If I were to apply for the job with FedEx, and they were at all interested in the skills that I have offer in both domestic and international shipping regulations and procedure, then all the rest would be dependent upon what I could negotiate in terms of making a smooth transistion. Chances are, with the company being Global, I would remain a citizen of the US until I made attempts on my own to obtain citizenship in Australia. I'm not sure how it works, but last night when I came acrossed the job listing; thoughts that have laid in the back of my mind began cycling around.

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I used to date a woman from KC, and she was really messed up in the head. Plus, I saw a show on TV that said there's a lot of cult activity out there.
I'm sorry Chris, she must have left you with some really effed' up memories for you to still be thinking about her. :cry: Maybe she bedazzled you. :evil:

 

What does YOU having an effed' up relationship with a woman in Kansas City have to do with ANYTHING about ANYTHING involving "MY" interest in learning more about Aussie???

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What this discussion is about, just so happens to be a "GLOBAL" job listing that caters to "MY" field of expertise. After all, I am considered to have expert skills in the packaging and shipping industry and I have certification stating so at national levels.

 

Well then "YOU'VE" got a "LEG" up on "ME" from when I was "LOOKING" into it about 10 "YEARS" ago. Don't know if this could get you an actual Australian citizenship, but with this it's probably not necessary as long as you're gainfully employed and stationed there.

 

Good luck in whichever you do.

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Originally posted by Ani:

I used to date a woman from KC, and she was really messed up in the head. Plus, I saw a show on TV that said there's a lot of cult activity out there.
I'm sorry Chris, she must have left you with some really effed' up memories for you to still be thinking about her. :cry: Maybe she bedazzled you. :evil:

 

What does YOU having an effed' up relationship with a woman in Kansas City have to do with ANYTHING about ANYTHING involving "MY" interest in learning more about Aussie???

It doesn't have anything to do with it. :rolleyes: But, I'm not surprised that you didn't get it.

 

My broad assumption that all women in KC are nuts is not a valid conclusion from the evidence given - and the big difference between my evidence about them, and yours about Australians, is that mine were at least based in some actual experiences & facts.

 

And don't worry, I think of her very little now - only when I have cause to remember something about her.

 

(BTW, you should read a bit more carefully - I said she was FROM KC, not that she was IN KC.)

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No Chris, actually it's YOU that can't seem to grasp what's going on here. You are ASSUMING that I'm making broad assumptions when all I did was ASK SINCERE QUESTIONS about the living conditions and cultural practices of a continent that presented a possible job opportunity. My questions were about "comments made by others" relative to the way women are treated in foreign countries. I asked if there was any truth to the statements being made.... There are many countries abroad where the women are subdued or are completely isolated away from most public things; Muslim women are not allowed to be seen without their coverings. Other countries have female "circumcisions", if you can call it that, that actually sew young females private areas closed until marriage; I believe parts of Africa still practiced this some 10 years or so back. I don't know if it still goes on, but I'm sure there is alot of stuff like that that goes on around the world that never makes our headline news. I did not intend my questions as insults, nor do I truly believe that the Australians that responded to this thread will perceive them to be directed as insults; if they take my questions as insults, then I am truly sorry and apologize to each one of them.

 

My broad assumption that all women in KC are nuts is not a valid conclusion from the evidence given - and the big difference between my evidence about them, and yours about Australians, is that mine were at least based in some actual experiences & facts.
Again, I'm assuming NOTHING!!! Asking questions is not a means of accusing anyone of anything and if that's your interpretation; you seem a bit paranoid. Confirming or nullifying warnings put forth by others is a general practice in life when making level headed decisions. Time permissive, researching the web provides many answers; but there is nothing wrong with asking people of the community about cultural differences.

 

In considering a relocation to ANYWHERE, USA inclusive, I am concerned about what living conditions my children would be subjected to; as well as myself. Damn Straight I'm going to explore the situation as quickly as I can when there is an open opportunity that must be acted upon in a timely manner. Before I signed a contract for purchase in the home that I'm in now; I visited potential new neighbors throughout the immediate neighborhood, introduced myself, and questioned them about the stability of the neighborhood. I asked a LOT of questions about surrounding neighbors, the schools, weather hazards and driving conditions, and etc. Those acquaintances that I established prior to buying the home turned into freindships after taking possession of it; they remain friends to this day.

 

Also, I might point out that your evaluation as to the mental stability of the girl FROM Kansas City is strictly your opinion and not a professional assessment. She might very well be saying the same thing about you.

 

As far as evidence about the Australian communities, I HAVE had some actual experiences and facts to base my concerns to a degree in knowing that there are DEFINITE cultural differences between Aussie and USA. Read my post in dealing with the Australian Copyright Council. You like to say that I talk big time shite, but why don't you ask any of the music professionals chiming in from Australia what the ACC's web site looked like prior to 2000/2001.

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Let me just sum this up.

 

Ani is crazy, and stupid, a particularly bad combination. Why is it so hard for everyone to see that? It's so fucking obvious, and yet everyone has been skirting this issue for....years now.

 

The woman is out of her TREE, not right, never been right, and probably never going to be right, UNLESS....

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Well.. u can tell all us Aussies have been asleep while you all rant about our women !!! lol

Im off to a job now... i'll be back later to answer all Ani's whoredom questions and issues of morality and society! Perhaps John will enlighten you in the meantime!!!

Let 'em have it Sayers!

 

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Well for starters, maybe you could try phrasing your questions something like "What is the religious climate like in Australia?" rather than starting out with "I hear that people are killing Christians..." or maybe "What is life like for women in Australia?" rather than "I hear that Australian women get passed around like whores. Is this true?" :rolleyes: You may see those questions as valid, but they're buried in all this other garbage so that it appears that you are drawing these parallels, whether you intend to or not.

 

And BTW, my evaluation of my ex is quite carefully considered, after several years of close interaction with her, & the benefits of my own subsequent therapy to help shape my opinions. I don't choose to share the details - they are none of anyones' business here. Still, you don't have to be a farmer to recognize manure.

 

I might add, however, that being the offspring of a social worker does not equate to attaining a degree, yet you had no pause in passing your evaluations of the people mentioned in the ebay Mom thread, without ever having met them.

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Originally posted by TheWewus:

Let me just sum this up.

 

Ani is crazy, and stupid, a particularly bad combination. Why is it so hard for everyone to see that? It's so fucking obvious, and yet everyone has been skirting this issue for....years now.

 

The woman is out of her TREE, not right, never been right, and probably never going to be right, UNLESS....

Please forgive the Wewus, for he is currently recovering from adverse effects on an attempted penile enlargement. He was a little bit out of it when he mistakenly grabbed the fingernail clippers in thinking that it was his pump. :freak::D:love:

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"I hear that people are killing Christians..."
WTF Chris, THAT was in reference to an ENTIRELY different continent... Northern Ireland happens to be in Europe, NOT Australia. :freak:

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Originally posted by TheWewus:

....The woman is out of her TREE, not right, never been right, and probably never going to be right, UNLESS....

Unless what?

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Originally posted by Ani:

Originally posted by TheWewus:

Let me just sum this up.

 

Ani is crazy, and stupid, a particularly bad combination. Why is it so hard for everyone to see that? It's so fucking obvious, and yet everyone has been skirting this issue for....years now.

 

The woman is out of her TREE, not right, never been right, and probably never going to be right, UNLESS....

Please forgive the Wewus, for he is currently recovering from adverse effects on an attempted penile enlargement. He was a little bit out of it when he mistakenly grabbed the fingernail clippers in thinking that it was his pump. :freak::D:love:
God almighty Anita, I bow down before your superior power. You've got some real juice, or something.

 

Something really unique about you, I think.

 

Sorry maam. You know I've always loved you.

 

Damn you're wicked. I can feel it from here.

 

With my whatever I do, and your power we could do good things.

 

I've got this really weird feeling. ha

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What a cool thread!

 

Some quick answers:

 

1. We still have winters - in the southern NSW and Victoria it can get down to minus 4 or 5 celsius. Snow in some areas but not a lot.

 

2. As far as promiscuity goes, the US has 3 times the teen birth rate than Australia. (64 births per 1000 for 15-19 year olds as opposed to 21 here).

 

3. Gay relationships legal in all states, drug injecting rooms on trial in a couple.

 

4. Americans on the whole tend to have a bunch of traits ascribed to them: loud, dumb, fat, embarrassing in social situations. Personally I've only found Wewus to be like that.

 

5. If you were wanting to replicate the lifestyle you have at home, the closest you will get would be Perth in Western Australia. And it does tend to be warm all year round.

 

6. Work visas can be hard to obtain, particularly for non-university trained people. I know I've read stories of US public servants coming out and not coping with the cloistered environment of public service. Australia Post is government owned but otherwise pretty much a private industry - there are rounds of redundacies being offered at present.

 

7. We don't have a culture similar to Europe really. Aussies like taking the piss out of Poms in particular. We like wogs now, particularly those who'll chuck on a cossie and go to a B&S in their ute. (which leads to the next point):

 

8. We speak the Queen's english (none of this bullshit like sanitize - it's sanitise) with a huge range of aussie colloquialisms thrown in.

 

That's all I can think of at present. Mr Sayers I'm sure will have stuff to add, although keep in mind he's a NIMBY Hippy from marijuana county :P

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Originally posted by nursers:

....Mr Sayers I'm sure will have stuff to add, although keep in mind he's a NIMBY Hippy from marijuana county :P

Beautiful. He'll be the first person I'll look for if I ever get to Oz.

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although keep in mind he's a NIMBY Hippy from marijuana county

well I happen to live near Nimbin - that's the only part that's correct. You could also say I live in byron bay which is the yuppie capital of OZ.

 

Ani - aussies love technology. We have the fastest takeup of new tech in the world, mobile phones, digital TV, computers etc are all common here.

 

Aussie women are not whores - women have won all the feminist demands like any other civilised country.

 

I live at the same latitude as Tampa florida and half the country is north of me,(north means hotter here) think carribean climate, summer all year round. Yet down south Tasmania is more like washington state, maine etc. with beautiful forests and rolling green hills.

 

You can get the phoenix type climate by going inland where it hits 100F+ in summer and frost in the winter. Think Alice Springs right in the center.

 

here's a map showing australia and NZ placed in their correct latitude in your territory for comparison.

 

http://johnlsayers.com/Stuff/aussieworld_2.gif

 

The main cities are Sydney and Melbourne - 3 million plus in each. They are big cities - Melbourne stretches for miles, it's one of the biggest cities in the world. It's also the second largest Greek city second only to Athens.

 

Schooling and medical are all free but you have the option of private in both.

 

hope this helps

 

cheers

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Thanks KeysKing, Nursers, and Anyhorizons.... and JOHN (in my edit here)

 

Australia certainly seems to be an interesting place. I know my father and his second wife, after my mom died, spent their two week honeymoon in Australia and loved every minute of it. The shorelines that they brought photos of were absolutely incredible with the scenic skyscapes. I actually thought the photos were of oceans until they told me about the alligators that didn't allow for swimming in the area.

 

While awaiting the return of some of our Aussie friends, while fretting the potential of pop-up porn I keyed in the words "Australian Whores" into a search engine. The first site that popped up was an excerpt to a book titled

 

"DAMNED WHORES

AND GOD'S POLICE

The Colonization

of Women in Australia

(Penguin Books, 1975, 1994, 2002)"

 

Here is that excerpt...

SOURCE

 

EXCERPT FROM THE 1975 EDITION:

 

"The social and economic conditions of the first fifty years of white settlement in Australia fostered whores rather than wives. The traditional Judeo-Christian notion that all women could be categorised as being exclusively either good or evil with the Virgin Mary and Mary Magdalene being the prototypes of each kind was brought to Australia with the First Fleet. But its application to the women in this country was totally lop-sided. From 1788 until the 1840s almost all women were categorised as whores or damned whores as Lieutenant Ralph Clark called them. This categorisation was initially based on the fact that virtually all of the white women to come here in the first two decades of colonisation were transported convicts, but it was constantly reinforced by the social structure which evolved in the penal colony. Thus even female convicts who had served their sentences had little chance of having their status redefined and the stereotype came to be applied to many other women in the colony who had not been transported."

"Successive generations of women, it will be argued later, have collaborated in perpetuating this existential straitjacket but these women have been victims of circumstances which provided them with a fixed choice. Denied economic independence, unable to control their fertility adequately, and always aware of the reprobation which awaits the rebel, none but a handful of Australian women has had the opportunity to do any more than submit to living out their lives as dutiful wives and bountiful mothers; and having no alternatives and wanting some share of human happiness, they have accepted and enjoyed this as best they could."

 

EXCERPT FROM THE 1994 EDITION:

 

This edition included the memorable Letter to the next generation that riled so many young Australian women but which spurred a number of books by young women.

 

"I dont want to wait until I am ninety-eight to try and explain to a 25-year-old what moved me and so many of my generation to activism and revolt. I want, while there is still some chance of communicating, to tell you the story of the modern womens movement. I want you to know how it started, what we did, and what it did to us. In hearing our story, I hope you will also learn something about yourselves, about where you stand in this great movement of change, and that it might just move some of you to reach out for the torch. It is time for it to be passed."

 

EXCERPT FROM THE 2002 EDITION:

 

The complete edition that includes all the material from the 1975 and 1994 editions plus the first-ever Time Line of Achievements by and for Australian women 1788-2001.

 

1987 Mary Gaudron sworn in as a Justice of the High Court.

Di Yerbury is appointed Vice-Chancellor of Macquarie University, the first woman to hold such a position.

1988 The first women pilots in the Royal Australian Air Force graduate.

Federal Child Support legislation established Child Support Agency to collect maintenance payments from non-custodial parents.

1989 Rosemary Follett, Labor Chief Minister of the Australian Capital Territory, becomes the first woman to head an Australian government.

Elizabeth Reid appointed Program Director, Division for Women in Development, UN.

 

 

 

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I think that novels such as these that are based on fact may be where some of the comments were stemmed from.... past behaviors as John stated in between my edits.

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Originally posted by StoneinaPond:

Originally posted by TheWewus:

....The woman is out of her TREE, not right, never been right, and probably never going to be right, UNLESS....

Unless what?
Unless I tell her to shut up, then she will.

 

Anita would you please stop?

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Again thanks to you guys in Aussie, yet another question...

 

What are the labor laws like in Oz? Are your companies unionized or strictly salary based. Do you have a set amount of hours to work per day or do the hours fluxuate according to need and are persons required to work extreme hours or in unfavorable environments such as extreme heat or cold? What I read on the FedEx web site appeared to be VERY favorable working conditions with an inviting call for action... unlike the almost slave labor working conditions that the Post Office is rapidly degrading to.

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Alligators are not native to Australia. I guess some smart-alec put them on that ocean-looking river and messed up the place.

 

 

As an American, I ask please forgive this thread, you sons of whores.

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Ani - australia was created as a penal colony - you could get "transported" for simply stealing a loaf of bread.

 

The first ships arrived in Sydney - the first penal colony - There were criminals and the police/military - together for 6 weeks on the ships. By the time they got here all was worked out. As you can see - most of the women were criminals.

 

But that was 200 years ago. Things have changed since then.

 

cheers

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