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http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/29/nyregion/29internet.html

 

Regardless of how you feel about his politics and political ambitions (and I'm NOT looking for this to turn into a political debate :) ), I would think most of you would welcome this action.

 

Personally, I say "it's about time!" I HATE spyware and adware, and dealing with it is a major time drain and hassle. I wish every state (and even our national AG) would consider taking similar actions. Congress should pass national anti-spamware laws and the government should enforce them HARD. Oops, I'm getting too political. Sorry. :o

 

But in general, I think it's a good idea that they go after the jerks who cause all of us so much grief. :mad:

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I like Eliot Spitzer more and more.

 

Although, after I googled Spitzer (I was a little hazy on his background), I realized my feelings are not shared by everyone.

 

Apparently the man who led the investigation that ended the Gambino family's control of the Manhattan trucking and garment industries has committed the cardinal sin (at least, apparently, in the minds of many folks of a certain political stripe) of investigating sleazy practices in the insurance and investment industries.

 

Now, as a card-carrying member of the same grand old party that many of Spitzer's enemies are in, I would tend to think that anyone protecting the interests of investors would be seen as a hero. But, go figure -- the most vocal of my fellow party members, they see Spitzer as a do-gooder busybody...

 

It's almost like some of Spitzer's critics don't have the interests of American investors and consumers at heart.

 

Imagine.

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I don't want to turn this into a thread for the Political Forum. But as a NYS resident, I'll mention a few things.

 

It's common knowlege that, soon after his election as NYS Atty Gen. 4 years ago, Spitzer has planned to run for Governor against George Pataki in 2006.

 

As "Blue" mentions, he seems to be going after EVERYONE. The only problem for someone running for major public office: he's going after many of the industries that are huge political contributors. Talk about biting the hand that feeds.

 

My wife's home office PC is so corrupted with spyware that Spybot and AdAware are no longer effective. So, I have no problem with our AG ramming a 10 footer up the culprit's ***.

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I have three studio computers and two dedicated internet computers... the stuff in the studio is intentionally NON-internet equipped, specifically because of the threats that are out there. If one of the internet machines gets taken out, it's not nearly as bad for me as it would be if one of my "work" computers was. Yes, it's a bit of a hassle to D/L updates and stuff like that on the internet machines, scan it and burn a CD or drop it on to a thumb drive and sneakernet it to the studio machines and scan it again before installing it, but OTOH, I feel a lot safer that way. It would be nice, in a perfect world, if I didn't have to take such extensive precautions, but even with the lawsuits, I don't think that it is ever going to be "safe" for me to stop doing so. :(
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Hey Phil why do you need updates on the non-internet computers? Maybe the occasional driver, I suppose. I agree with your idea of disabling internet features on the music computer, I disable all networking features. But I don't run any system link type programs so I don't need that capability. In general, I think its best to realize what it is you are going to do with a particular machine and optimize it for that purpose. Multitasking the hell out of one machine, means it will be sub par in just about everything you do with it.

 

Overall I agree something needs to be done to stop adware. While I don't have issues due to way I run things, I have alot of friends and family who call trying to get me to straighten them out. It's frustrating, and it threatens to undermine the entire web. I know alot of people who have computers, that aren't computer people. These people just want to go online and enjoy the advantages that the current users tell them about(ebay, online banking, shopping, band sites, concerts, etc.), but they get discouraged when they get loaded down with spyware so bad they can barely boot the machine. So what happens they have this best buy computer with high speed access that just sits there collecting dust.

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Originally posted by Keysking:

Originally posted by not Cereal:

or use a mac.

Amen.

 

I dont even know what spyware or adware does!

 

serious! :D

It loads your computer up with a bunch of programs and code that keep track of your keystrokes, logs the websites you view, sends you emails and pop up ads that are in line with your web surfing interests, installs stuff like "casino games" software programs, and in general, bogs down your system performance and MAKES YOUR LIFE A LIVING HELL!!! :mad:

 

Be thankful you use a Mac. :) Not having to deal with this crud is one of the biggest advantages of doing so IMO. :)

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Hey Phil why do you need updates on the non-internet computers? Maybe the occasional driver, I suppose.

 

Most recent example:

 

Downloading and installing the PT 6.9 upgrade. :)

 

Apps need occasional upgrades too, but you're also correct about the driver updates. :)

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Originally posted by AudioMaverick:

Both of those links require registration. CNN doesn't have anything. Off to Google.com ...

That's strange... the Baltimore Sun article didn't require any registration for me to view it. Is that link not working for you? :confused:

 

Again, Here it is.

 

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Bravo.

This stikes me as being "by the people for the people".

 

The failure of our legal system to keep up with technolgy that drives a significant piece of our economy is shameful. Apparently Spitzer is relying on an existing statute that prohibits interference with trade. Seems a valid argument to me.

 

Ive spent hours and hours over the past year dealing with this crap and I am certain ive never been informed of nor have I ever approved of its installation. Twice I was forced to nuke a disc and reset the machine to its original state- and then had to re-load SW and application files.

 

I also do NOT connect my music making PC to the net. Like Phil I have to use a memory stick to load anything I might download off the net into it.

 

Spyare and adware make me very anxious about surfing unknown sites. This drastically reduces the value of the internet as a research and exploration tool. Shut em down.

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Sorry, Phil:

Please register or log in The article you requested is available only to registered members. Registration is FREE.

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Originally posted by Philip O'Keefe:

Originally posted by AudioMaverick:

Both of those links require registration. CNN doesn't have anything. Off to Google.com ...

That's strange... the Baltimore Sun article didn't require any registration for me to view it. Is that link not working for you? :confused:

 

Again, Here it is.

 

:wave:

Yup... Still asks. If you are running Mozilla Suite or Firefox, check your password manager. It could also be a tracking cookie.

 

But, the UK links I put up covered it pretty well. Intermix is so close to a techno company I bought WiFi security software from (for my previous employer).

 

This is one of the top three things that chaps me about e-commerce on the Internet. Too much greed-driven scenarios that end up compromising PCs to achieve their personal goal$. Because of this kind of stuff, I have rebuilt a few computers since I've been at the new location. One poor realestate agent was shocked out of her witts trying to show pictures of homes to clients & getting multitudes of porno pop-ups. That was thanks to her teenage son sneaking onto her laptop! At least, I was able to save the important data before rebuilding it!

 

I am rarely soap-box passionate about such things. But, I am about this topic! These people cause way too much effort and money to be spent by the end user to correct what they foul up. They don't care, since they aren't the ones spending hours recovering the OS.

 

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i have none of my music macs nor my win95pc or xp pc on the net.

 

however, i do have a dual 866 g4 on the net and its odd, but i constantly find these "xxxx.exe" files on the desktop a lot. they dont show up in any download manager, and it only happens in safari.

 

it never happens in mozilla, which is my browser of preference on that machine.

 

at work i have IE on win98. its a pokey little peice o'junk. i have no idea or concern if its infected or not, but i never get popups.

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oh, i dont know if it makes a difference or not, but at work the machine i use on the net is routed through a local server running nt 4.x with soft/hard firewall, then into a central server blocks away.

 

no one has hacked our system yet, and it hosts its own website locally.

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The myspace clowns say they don't install spy/adware? All the bastids have to do is come over an look at wifey's computer. The stepson and daughter have sites on myspace and that computer is always full of malware and much of it is myspace.

I hope the next one to go under the gun is AOL and all the crap they install with their shit. Weather Bug is among the worst crap to remove and it comes in with AOL. That is another POS those kid's install all the time. Gator? Kill them all!

 

The boy is gone now and I've told daughter not to use it again. Her computer if always fouled too and it's from AOhelL. I've tried to get her to use Trillium. Maybe my nagging will start to work since her computer dies with all the shit that gets loaded.

I run Adaware and Spybot on it and I'll add the Microsoft program too.

 

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someone i know that uses my internet mac always installs msn and aol messenger. it totally hoses os9.x but doesnt seem to bother osx.

 

back when i only had one computer, an 8600 mac, this same person used to totally hose my pt rig by installing same software. this is why i removed all my music computers from that situation and put a brand new computer there for getting hosed.

 

we wont say who this person is......but they no longer have acces to any of my music computers. PERIOD. EXCLAMATION POINT!

 

NO AOL OR MSN ON ME PT SETUP.

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