Jeff Klopmeyer Posted October 9, 2004 Share Posted October 9, 2004 Okay, I'm pretty good at identifying sounds on recordings. Pretty damn good. I can usually tell you with accuracy what kind of signal chain was used -- guitar, amp, mic, effect, whatever -- when I hear a song for the first time. But every time I hear "Jumping Jack Flash", I am convinced I hear a bagpipe come in at a couple of places in the tune. Am I insane? Okay, yes, I may be insane in any case. But is that really a bagpipe? My ears tell me yes, but logic tells me no. - Jeff Marketing Communications for MI/Pro Audio My solo music and stuff They Stole My Crayon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Flier Posted October 9, 2004 Share Posted October 9, 2004 Actually it's a sitar. Brian Jones did this drony sitar thing and I believe they ran it through a cassette recorder to make it distort (as they did with the guitars). You can hear this a little more clearly at the end of "Street Fightin' Man." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mats Olsson. Posted October 9, 2004 Share Posted October 9, 2004 You two, get a room! http://www.lexam.net/peter/carnut/man.gif What do we want? Procrastination! When do we want it? Later! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Klopmeyer Posted October 9, 2004 Author Share Posted October 9, 2004 Ah, freakishly distorted and sustained sitar drone. Of course. How silly of me. But am I wrong on the bagpipishness of it? - Jeff Marketing Communications for MI/Pro Audio My solo music and stuff They Stole My Crayon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip OKeefe Posted October 9, 2004 Share Posted October 9, 2004 Lee, I need your brain... HEY - I already have to timeshare "our" brain... we're not adding another person to the shared brain club - no matter HOW cool you are! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbach1 Posted October 9, 2004 Share Posted October 9, 2004 Originally posted by Philip O'Keefe: Lee, I need your brain... HEY - I already have to timeshare "our" brain... we're not adding another person to the shared brain club - no matter HOW cool you are! Oh, how generous of you. bbach Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Klopmeyer Posted October 9, 2004 Author Share Posted October 9, 2004 If you're so smart, O'Keefe, how come you didn't jump in first with the "sitar drone through a cassette recorder" answer? Well, mister producer guy? - Jeff Marketing Communications for MI/Pro Audio My solo music and stuff They Stole My Crayon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Flier Posted October 9, 2004 Share Posted October 9, 2004 Originally posted by Da HalloWeasel: If you're so smart, O'Keefe, how come you didn't jump in first with the "sitar drone through a cassette recorder" answer?Cuz I had the brain this week. I have to give it back to Phil tomorrow night, so he will answer all your bagpipe questions thenceforth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedster Posted October 9, 2004 Share Posted October 9, 2004 http://www.dusko.net/pinky/pictures/023.jpg You're wrong...all of you. I have the brain, and you'll never get it back. "Cisco Kid, was a friend of mine" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Bryce Posted October 9, 2004 Share Posted October 9, 2004 Originally posted by Herman Tedster: http://www.dusko.net/pinky/pictures/023.jpg I am SO gonna use that as my Hallowe'en avatar. Thanks, Tedster! dB ==> David Bryce Music • Funky Young Monks <== Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedster Posted October 9, 2004 Share Posted October 9, 2004 Attaboy, Dave!!! "Cisco Kid, was a friend of mine" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip OKeefe Posted October 10, 2004 Share Posted October 10, 2004 Originally posted by Lee Flier: Originally posted by Da HalloWeasel: If you're so smart, O'Keefe, how come you didn't jump in first with the "sitar drone through a cassette recorder" answer?Cuz I had the brain this week. I have to give it back to Phil tomorrow night, so he will answer all your bagpipe questions thenceforth.AS proofr I tiPE thu8s rePaly... I nead tha brean bak... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip OKeefe Posted October 10, 2004 Share Posted October 10, 2004 1969's Through the Past, Darkly's Jumping Jack Flash and 1968's Beggar's Banquet's Street Fightin' Man and Parachute Woman all used the "through the cheap cassette recorder" distortion trick. SFM is the song that is most widely known for this, and I'm sure there are others. Pretty brilliant - "do ANYTHING you need to for the tone you want" school of engineering. In addition to sitar, Jones plays tamboura on SFM too. And of course, as I know you're aware Jeff, there are no electrics on SFM - it's all acoustic guitars through the cassette deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Klopmeyer Posted October 10, 2004 Author Share Posted October 10, 2004 Originally posted by Philip O'Keefe: And of course, as I know you're aware Jeff, there are no electrics on SFM - it's all acoustic guitars through the cassette deck. Of course. That's as well known as the fact that Jimmy Page played the solo on "Sympathy for the Devil". (Lee baiting is always a fun activity on a Saturday night) - Jeff Marketing Communications for MI/Pro Audio My solo music and stuff They Stole My Crayon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip OKeefe Posted October 10, 2004 Share Posted October 10, 2004 You're SO bad. Bad Weasel! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prague Posted October 10, 2004 Share Posted October 10, 2004 Are we talking about the original recording of JJ Flash? I have no idea where you are thinking there is a part that sounds like a bagpipe. I hear a few different guitar parts. Yea, they aren't what we think of as standard rock sounds, but bagpipes? Did you notice there are no cymbal crashes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Flier Posted October 10, 2004 Share Posted October 10, 2004 Originally posted by Da HalloWeasel: That's as well known as the fact that Jimmy Page played the solo on "Sympathy for the Devil". NOT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Klopmeyer Posted October 11, 2004 Author Share Posted October 11, 2004 Originally posted by Prague: Are we talking about the original recording of JJ Flash? I have no idea where you are thinking there is a part that sounds like a bagpipe.It (the sitar, as it turns out) comes in twice. The first time is in the "non-solo" section, the little bridge between the second and third verse. The second one is near the end, during the "Jumping jack flash, its a gas" repeats. - Jeff Marketing Communications for MI/Pro Audio My solo music and stuff They Stole My Crayon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prague Posted October 11, 2004 Share Posted October 11, 2004 Well, I guess you must be referring to what I always heard as just a tone arrived at on a guitar. Maybe a 60's Coral electric sitar. Is there some official liner note somewhere that says some sort of "sitar" was used? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Flier Posted October 11, 2004 Share Posted October 11, 2004 Originally posted by Prague: Is there some official liner note somewhere that says some sort of "sitar" was used?No but Keith Richards has mentioned it in interviews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Klopmeyer Posted October 11, 2004 Author Share Posted October 11, 2004 Since I've proven I'm nuts beyond the shadow of a doubt, I may as well throw out the admission that I also think I heard bagpipes on an AC/DC record. I'm not sure which one. Maybe this is a specific mental illness, some very focused subset of schizophrenia. Hearing bagpipes on rock songs. It's harmless enough. - Jeff Marketing Communications for MI/Pro Audio My solo music and stuff They Stole My Crayon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip OKeefe Posted October 11, 2004 Share Posted October 11, 2004 I'll bet you go crazy when you hear Big Country... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Klopmeyer Posted October 11, 2004 Author Share Posted October 11, 2004 I know an eBow when I hear it, pal. - Jeff Marketing Communications for MI/Pro Audio My solo music and stuff They Stole My Crayon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLsound Posted October 11, 2004 Share Posted October 11, 2004 Originally posted by Da HalloWeasel: Since I've proven I'm nuts beyond the shadow of a doubt, I may as well throw out the admission that I also think I heard bagpipes on an AC/DC record. I'm not sure which one. Maybe this is a specific mental illness, some very focused subset of schizophrenia. Hearing bagpipes on rock songs. It's harmless enough. - JeffThe AC/DC song: "It's a Long Way to Top if you want to Rock and Roll" Has bag pipes. It comes at the end of the song. Jim http://www.artistlaunch.com/artist4.asp?artistid=3633 http://www.myspace.com/jlockmusic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Klopmeyer Posted October 11, 2004 Author Share Posted October 11, 2004 That's it! THANK YOU, JLSound. And please tell these people that the bagpipe is really there, and that it's not a sitar, and I'm not totally psycho. - Jeff Marketing Communications for MI/Pro Audio My solo music and stuff They Stole My Crayon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip OKeefe Posted October 11, 2004 Share Posted October 11, 2004 Originally posted by Da HalloWeasel: THANK YOU, JLSound. And please tell these people that the bagpipe is really there, and that it's not a sitar, Statement #1... and I'm not totally psycho. - Jeff Statement #2... They don't have to be mutually exclusive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franknputer Posted October 11, 2004 Share Posted October 11, 2004 Originally posted by Da HalloWeasel: Of course. That's as well known as the fact that Jimmy Page played the solo on "Sympathy for the Devil".Heh - who would really want to bolster their rep by claiming that anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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