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As mentioned in the conversation, K&M, I have both the 18820 and the 18953 (wider version of 18950), with stackers on them, and when I installed the stackers I was quite surprised of how flexible they are in all directions.

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Another vote for K&M stands.  I use their table stand, 18950 with the 18952 stacker. 
I mostly play solo and the table stand is sturdy and folds down in seconds.  When I use a 2nd keyboard the stackers take a minute to attach and you can adjust the angle, height and position over your bottom board.  It’s expensive but solid and easy to use. 

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18 hours ago, EscapeRocks said:

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Posted
19 hours ago, Tom Williams said:

At the risk of Blasphemy, the OnStage is more versatile than the Invisible stand (I have both) due to the former's ability to adjust both height and tilt for the upper tier.  My Invisible stand is essentially just two parallel metal shelves.

 

Yes, no doubt, many stands are more versatile than the Invisible. The Invisible just happens to be very good at one commonly desired kind of setup that almost no other stand is good at. 😉 The K&M 18880 system is unusual in being versatile and able to pretty much give you what the Invisible did. I'm not sure about the OnStage Z. Does it let you flip the top tier backwards, or perhaps "slide" its arms so far back that they can be completely behind the bottom board? (though you might want to remove its front lips to use it that way.) The pics posted (of that and others) do not seem to really address the OP's request for "a 2 tier stand that gets the keyboards close together like the old invisible stands did" (or, at least, could).

 

Here's pic of the K&M "emulating" an Invisible. The front of the top keyboard is lying right on the rear of the bottom keyboard (can't get closer than that!)... and in that case, how far forward you can bring the top board (to keep the keys close on the other axis) will depend on the bottom board, i.e. how much panel space you need to keep accessible. Stacking this way isn't always ideal (i.e. if the bottom board has a deep panel, you might be better off adding height to the top tier to allow overlap), but sometimes it is.

 

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8 hours ago, AnotherScott said:

The front of the top keyboard is lying right on the rear of the bottom keyboard

I'm Mike, and I approve this ergonomic model.

 

@AnotherScott or other 18880 owners - can the horizontal arms of the stacker be removed from the upright brackets that attach to the 1-tier stand? That way you could position boards in this way (top board resting on the uprights at the back, and on the lower board at the front) without the flipped horizontal arms protruding behind the rig.

 

This kind of thing (using my Stagg stand)?
 

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4 hours ago, stoken6 said:

 

@AnotherScott or other 18880 owners - can the horizontal arms of the stacker be removed from the upright brackets that attach to the 1-tier stand? That way you could position boards in this way (top board resting on the uprights at the back, and on the lower board at the front) without the flipped horizontal arms protruding behind the rig.

 

With something like a sawzall, I suppose. 😉 It doesn't naturally come apart like that, but being aluminum, it should at least be easy to cut.

 

But if all you want is posts sticking up, rather than buying any stacker at all, it would be simple and cheap to try putting some long wooden dowels into the stacker opening in the base, cut to the height you want. But I don't know, it might not give you the stability you'd want. I wonder if there is a dowel diameter that would be the right fit where it wouldn't have play.

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44 minutes ago, AnotherScott said:

 

With something like a sawzall, I suppose. 😉 It doesn't naturally come apart like that, but being aluminum, it should at least be easy to cut.

 

But if all you want is posts sticking up, rather than buying any stacker at all, it would be simple and cheap to try putting some long wooden dowels into the stacker opening in the base, cut to the height you want. But I don't know, it might not give you the stability you'd want. I wonder if there is a dowel diameter that would be the right fit where it wouldn't have play.

I used a hacksaw to cut about 4 inches off of the arms of the stacker, the aluminum cuts very easily-

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Just now, Montunoman 2 said:

I wonder if Liquid Stand’s are any good? They come with wheels which could be handy. Good price too. 
 

https://www.amazon.com/Liquid-Stands-Piano-Keyboard-Wheels/dp/B0DBZM6N9X?source=ps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&ref_=fplfs&psc=1&smid=A205NGHGNY52SP

The problem with stands like that is the setup and breakdown is much too time consuming.  I had the On Stage KS7365EJ and it is a great, solid stand, just not suitable for gigging.  I do have one in my studio, as it never gets broken down.

 

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They have a Liquid Stand in a studio I record in a lot. Nice enough stand but definitely not for the gigging musician. Not terribly stable over repeated use, either. 

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For anyone in the north of England (UK) looking for K&M stands, I am selling a brand new set 18880 and 18881 for less than the price of just the 18880 and throwing in a gig bag! I also have the K&M tablet holder that fits these stands 🙂

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I use the 18880 with 2 stackers.  I love the stand, but here are the negatives you should know.   I recommend it but here are the things no one posts.  They aren’t major. I don’t want anyone to freak out when they first take delivery though. 
 

 

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PS - kicking out the back side of the legs so the feet are not perfectly parallel can help a little. 

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21 minutes ago, CEB said:

I use the 18880 with 2 stackers.  I love the stand, but here are the negatives you should know.   I recommend it but here are the things no one posts.  

from that post:

On 1/21/2024 at 1:43 PM, CEB said:

The biggest pain in my opinion with the tiers are the spring pins that stop the board from sliding forward

As you also mentioned there--and as I suggested i the context of emulating an Invisible--sometimes it makes sense to use the 18881 backwards, in which case the pin is irrelevant (unless maybe your top board is quite deep, and you don't want to tilt it). But more to the point, the pin can be cut off pretty easily. As you say, its purpose is to stop a board from sliding forward, but if you're using the board flat (not angled down), it serves no purpose, you can just get rid of it. And if you're running 3-tier, then you have a 18882 in the middle, and unlike the 18881,  its pin is actually located on a piece that slides in and out, and you can likely avoid it altogether unless you need the extra depth that sliding piece provides.

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I’m running two sets of 18882s (the ones with pass thrus for middle use) because I couldn’t find a set of 18881s anywhere on the globe. 😀. I thought perhaps they were going to be discontinued but that was over a decade ago.  Great product. Mine has definitely not had an easy life. 

 

 

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The invisible does let you get the boards close, but because of the support wires, it's pretty much useless with my pedal board, it sticks out way to far, so to get my seat in a good position to operate the foot controls, both keyboards are in an awkward position.

 

I've been using OnStage Z stands for a number of years. I have 3 of them, 2 with the top tier and 1 I use when I have a single board gig, or to use to hold my Viscount in my 3 board L shaped rig. You can get the boards close between adjusting the tier height and angle, and still have room to see and use the controls on the bottom board. The only thing I don't like about the Z 2nd tier is it's length is fixed, like on the Standtastic stands. 

Here's a pic of my Z stand, you can get an idea of how close the boards are. 



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I love my On Stage Z.  I use it for every organ/piano gig where I don’t have tons of space.  It is the only upper tier I know that will ride a 2-manual organ. 
 

Having a cargo van helps a lot.  The stand came with a case but I’m not sure I would use it if I had to tear it down and reassemble it in order to transport it.  Since I. Have a van I just bring it in as narrow as possible and throw it in the van assembled.  

On-Stage KS7365EJ Pro Heavy-Duty Folding-Z Keyboard Stand with 2nd Tier,Black

 

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I might get kicked out of Keyboard Corner for saying this, but I love X stands. 
Maybe I’m lucky, but never had one fail ( knock on wood) 

 

I use this one in the link below with scrim to cover up cables and put a little flood light under the keyboard. It gets lots nice comments from other musicians and audience too.  
 

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I have a pair of those z stands. The are sold through Amazon and badged under a bunch of different brand names.  I like them if I have a lot of stage room and want to setup in a L.  I know nothing about the upper tiers. They were cheap when I got mine but everything now costs more.  
 

here are mine. 

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On 9/15/2024 at 9:44 PM, Dave Number Four said:

Does this work for your needs?

 

It can go as low as you want, and also change the angle of the upper tier. I don't use it that low since I need to see the YC controls. 

 

On-Stage KS7365EJ

 

Or is there something about the invisible stands I'm missing?

 

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To answer my own question, the OnStage one doesn't give much flexibility in terms of moving the top tier forward or back

Posted
6 hours ago, Dave Number Four said:

To answer my own question, the OnStage one doesn't give much flexibility in terms of moving the top tier forward or back

 

The good news is that the bottom tier is fairly deep, so there might be enough room to adjust a bottom board (i.e., moving it forward or backwards) to accomplish the desired alignment.

 

 

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On 9/21/2024 at 12:21 PM, Moonglow said:

 

The good news is that the bottom tier is fairly deep, so there might be enough room to adjust a bottom board (i.e., moving it forward or backwards) to accomplish the desired alignment.

 

 

Right, good point. Last night I tried putting the top tier one hole lower and moving the bottom board a couple inches towards me. Was better!

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On 9/20/2024 at 11:58 AM, Montunoman 2 said:

I might get kicked out of Keyboard Corner for saying this, but I love X stands. 
Maybe I’m lucky, but never had one fail ( knock on wood) 

 


You can always put a belt/rope around the legs (or something to keep the legs from splaying out in the event of the pin failing).

My problem with x stands is that 1) none of them that I've tried are tall enough for me while standing, I'd need a riser and 2) the space underneath is not ideal.  Mainly it's the first thing--the space under my spider pro is also not great.

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