velvetoceansound Posted January 15, 2002 Share Posted January 15, 2002 I've been casually browsing for a new mixer for my church. I've looked at Soundcraft Spirit 8, A&H GL3300, even Mackie SR40 8bus. I happened across Carvin's website to take a look at what they had to offer. The online documentation wasn't very impressive. Just a quick rundown of the typical specs, some without all of the test conditions included. No close up views of the channel strips, master section or the back I/O panel. No user's manual to look at or even a sales brochure. This line in particular puzzled me: Freq. response: 80-5k Hz ±1.5 dB; THD distortion: less than .002% 20-20k Hz; Input Noise: -128 Dbu • AC ripple < .00003% • Balanced Size: 34.5in. W x 22.7 in D x 8 in H"H, wt:56 lbs Freq. response of 80-5K Hz???? How can this be??? Is this reflective of the quality of the board? The price looks nice, but I assume you get what you pay for. Anyone care to dispute? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanmass Posted January 15, 2002 Share Posted January 15, 2002 I have owned several Carvin products ( A Bolt Guitar from Kit, 4@12" monitors and an AG100d) and been impressed by all. Carvin offers a 10 day no-questions return. I'd at least try one.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
not coaster MODERATOR Posted January 15, 2002 Share Posted January 15, 2002 I'm not sure what Carvin's return policy is. 30 day no questions?? If so, you can always try one out and use the balance of the cash you'll save for some nice outboard gear. Enough churches use them where you can't dismiss them as complete junk. I am no expert on Carvin. This is merely a strategy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teh dri Posted January 15, 2002 Share Posted January 15, 2002 there must be an explanation on the frequency range issue though perhaps the extra frequencies are outside of the range of measurement.... if you follow me... hahah yeah right um.... maybe with the recession and all they cant afford to give you that extra frequency damn it, maybe that mixer is made for churches and it says somewhere in the bible that.... ah never mind.... far be it for me to make light of any situation with religious people, theres always one who gets offended :p peace n all that.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricknbokker Posted January 16, 2002 Share Posted January 16, 2002 I have one of the smaller ones... Studiomate, I believe. Very, very nice. And one of the quietest mixers I've ever used. Half decent pre-amps, too! I use a lot of Carvin gear, and I've never been disappointed. Order a catalog... you'll get them for the rest of your life , even if you only buy a cord! Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve LeBlanc Posted January 16, 2002 Share Posted January 16, 2002 Carvin mixers are work horses...it will last you forever and most likely NEVER have a problem. I love Carvin gear, especially their live boards. [ 01-15-2002: Message edited by: Steve LeBlanc ] http://www.youtube.com/notesleb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Everett Posted January 16, 2002 Share Posted January 16, 2002 Not trying to change the subject, but if it's in your price range, take a look at the soundcraft K2. I like it a whole lot better than the Mackie or the Yamaha at that price point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwarf Posted January 16, 2002 Share Posted January 16, 2002 Which board were you looking at? I looked and saw frequency responses of 20Hz-20KHz. -- Rob I have the mind of a criminal genius.....I keep it in the freezer next to mother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael saulnier Posted January 16, 2002 Share Posted January 16, 2002 I have one of the Carvin 750 Watt, 12 channel amp/mixer combo's and it's worked great for me. I rarely need to use more than 1/2 power, there are enough channels for most small club needs, and it includes built in effects. I would guess that it would be fine for a church setting. I send the signal through 2 JBL EON 15's and it sounds great for parties, coffeehouses, and small clubs. Anywhere big enough that we can't use this, will probably have its own PA. The Carvin was about $700 and the JBL's were around $600 for the pair. Guitplayer I'm still "guitplayer"! Check out my music if you like... http://www.michaelsaulnier.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duhduh Posted January 16, 2002 Share Posted January 16, 2002 Carvin power amps are great! They'll blow 1000's of watts through your speakers very cleanly. Just dont expect them to last a long time. Now, Ive heard nothing but great things about all their other products. But I have had lots of experience with their amps. "Meat is the only thing you need beside beer! Big hunks of meat and BEER!!...Lots of freakin' BEER." "Hey, I'm not Jesus Christ, I can't turn water into wine. The best I can do is turn beer into urine." Zakk Wylde http://www.hepcnet.net/bbssmilies/super.gif http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/15_1_109.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velvetoceansound Posted January 16, 2002 Author Share Posted January 16, 2002 Duhduh, Take a look at the SL40 page, just below the paragraph in the window that says "SL40 Technical Specs" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velvetoceansound Posted January 16, 2002 Author Share Posted January 16, 2002 Sorry, that last post should have been directed to Dwarf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwarf Posted January 16, 2002 Share Posted January 16, 2002 Cute :) That *has* to be a typo. Considering that further down the page they say: Frequency Response Channel mic in to: Master out = 10Hz - 60kHz ±1DB Master out > 10Hz - 100kHz +1DB -3DB I can't see anyone selling a board like that with a limit of 5KHz .. well, maybe Peavey :) -- Rob I have the mind of a criminal genius.....I keep it in the freezer next to mother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velvetoceansound Posted January 17, 2002 Author Share Posted January 17, 2002 Yeah, it's most likely a typo. But what does this shoddy documentation say about the products? Just speculation. The K2 looks like a pretty nice board. The price is a little heavy, but hey, who knows? Someone could donate 10K this sunday for a new console (likely) :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve LeBlanc Posted January 17, 2002 Share Posted January 17, 2002 [quote]Yeah, it's most likely a typo. But what does this shoddy documentation say about the products? Just speculation.[/quote] I would speculate nothing at all. http://www.youtube.com/notesleb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Leites Posted January 17, 2002 Share Posted January 17, 2002 [quote]Originally posted by velvetoceansound: [b]The online documentation wasn't very impressive. Just a quick rundown of the typical specs, some without all of the test conditions included. No close up views of the channel strips, master section or the back I/O panel. No user's manual to look at or even a sales brochure[/b][/quote] As a devoted Carvinitte :D , I must point out that there is link to their manuals ( http://www.carvin.com/manuals.html ). I don't know which mixer you were looking at, but there are quite a few listed on that link. My Web Site - Tunes - Pictures - Guitar Projects - Native American Style Flute Projects - Hard Rock Cafe Guitar Pins My Eclectic YouTube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwarf Posted January 17, 2002 Share Posted January 17, 2002 "Yeah, it's most likely a typo. But what does this shoddy documentation say about the products? Just speculation" My speculation is that the people who design and implement the website have nothing to do with the people who make and design the products. I did a website for a strip joint but I'm not a stripper :) -- Rob I have the mind of a criminal genius.....I keep it in the freezer next to mother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dak Lander Posted January 17, 2002 Share Posted January 17, 2002 I've been using a Carvin power mixer for over 3 years now with nary a hint of a problem. Unless you call too much power a problem. Some of the small places I've played I have trouble getting the volume low enough. Their mics are pretty good too, as are the loudspeakers & I kick myself in the butt for selling my Carvin guitar, an 80's DC150K. They are bringing them back. Their stuff is pretty much bullet proof, good quality & priced right. Our Joint "When you come slam bang up against trouble, it never looks half as bad if you face up to it." The Duke... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duhduh Posted January 17, 2002 Share Posted January 17, 2002 Now, please dont think Im flaming Carvin, Im not. Im genuinely like their products... But I have to point out something: There are NO service centers for Carvin. Only CARVIN repairs Carvin. Not too much of a problem until.... When they stop making a product, they no longer service it. As a matter of fact, they dont keep schematics either! So, even if you have a tech who can fix it, you wont be able to get a schematic! This totally blew my mind! "Meat is the only thing you need beside beer! Big hunks of meat and BEER!!...Lots of freakin' BEER." "Hey, I'm not Jesus Christ, I can't turn water into wine. The best I can do is turn beer into urine." Zakk Wylde http://www.hepcnet.net/bbssmilies/super.gif http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/15_1_109.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Capasso Posted January 17, 2002 Share Posted January 17, 2002 [quote]Originally posted by Duhduh: [b]When they stop making a product, they no longer service it. As a matter of fact, they dont keep schematics either! So, even if you have a tech who can fix it, you wont be able to get a schematic! This totally blew my mind![/b][/quote] I have an old Carvin guitar amp head that blew the power supply. I called, and they offered to fix it for me and quoted basic hourly rates, etc. Of course I'd have to ship it to them. I ended up having it fixed locally ($80). I agree that having to ship stuff across country isn't fun, but they didn't deny me service. Tom www.stoneflyrocks.com Acoustic Color Be practical as well as generous in your ideals. Keep your eyes on the stars and keep your feet on the ground. - Theodore Roosevelt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Leites Posted January 18, 2002 Share Posted January 18, 2002 Ok, I posed the question on the Carvin board, and got this reply from the moderator: "As with any company, there is a cut-off date where we will not repair or stock parts for old gear. We will still provide schems if we have them. There are also some pieces of gear that require parts that are no longer available to us. In these cases, we usually offer a very attractive discount toward a new model." My Web Site - Tunes - Pictures - Guitar Projects - Native American Style Flute Projects - Hard Rock Cafe Guitar Pins My Eclectic YouTube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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