Motif88 Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 June Update for the Montage M 1 1 Quote Using: Yamaha: Montage M8x| Spectrasonics: Omnisphere, Keyscape | uhe: Diva, Hive2, Zebra2| Roland: Cloud Pro | Arturia: V Collection | NI: Komplete 14 | VPS: Avenger | Cherry: GX80 | G-Force: OB-E | Korg: Triton, MS-20 Sold/Traded: Yamaha: Motif XS8, Motif ES8, Motif8, KX-88, TX7 | ASM: Hydrasynth Deluxe| Roland: RD-2000, D50, MKS-20| Korg: Kronos 88, T3, MS-20 | Oberheim: OB8, OBXa, Modular 8 Voice | Rhodes: Dyno-My-Piano| Crumar: T2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunlight2 Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 That shimmer reverb is pretty extreme but absolutely gorgeous! However I never did use Smart Morph when it appeared in a MODX update - far too haphazard for live performance 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HammondDave Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 Very nice… Love the Shimmer Reverb. Now if they could just inject it with Ozempic and take 20lbs off of it…. Someone please clear this up. If I had a Montage M at home would I be able to control the software with a MODX on a gig? Would the controllers like the Superknob be compatible? 1 Quote '55 and '59 B3's; Leslies 147, 122, 21H; MODX 7+; NUMA Piano X 88; Motif XS7; Mellotrons M300 and M400’s; Wurlitzer 206; Gibson G101; Vox Continental; Mojo 61; Launchkey 88 Mk III; Korg Module; B3X; Model D6; Moog Model D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaJockey Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 5 hours ago, HammondDave said: Very nice… Love the Shimmer Reverb. Now if they could just inject it with Ozempic and take 20lbs off of it…. Someone please clear this up. If I had a Montage M at home would I be able to control the software with a MODX on a gig? Would the controllers like the Superknob be compatible? Yes! Quote The companions I can't live without: Kawai Acoustic Grand, Yamaha MontageM8x, Studiologic Numa Piano X GT, Other important stuff: Novation Summit, NI Komplete Ultimate 14 CE, Omnisphere, EW Hollywood and Fantasy Orchestra, Spitfire Albion and Symphony, Pianoteq 8 Pro, Roland RD88. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ Cornish Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 I’m very excited for this - this is a pretty major update and fairly soon after original release. The headline updates look cool; hopefully they have improved some of the other niggles as well - there are dozens of good ideas in Yamaha’s Ideascale that are worthy of implementation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DmitryKo Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 Yamaha US product specialist Blake Angelos posted an announcement for the upcoming June 11 Tech Talk S05E02 and shared some new details of the OS v2.0. https://yamahasynth.com/learn/events/tech-talk-s05e02-montage-os-v2-0-and-e-s-p-2-0/ New features include: CFX2 Concert Grand Piano , Synth Space LA CP80 (user samples?) 60 new Performances Shimmer Reverb (master FX) AN-X Wave Folder AN-X Smart Morph AWM2 Element Edit improvements Expanded Softsynth Plugin (E.S.P.) V2.0 MIDI 2.0 high resolution data for note velocity, polyphonic / channel aftertouch, Super Knob, pitch bend, modulation, assignable knobs/sliders, foot controllers, and sustain It wonder if it's a full-blown 128-bit UMP (Universal MIDI Packet) a.k.a. MIDI 2.0 Protocol message format, or just a few high-resolution extensions for the existing MIDI 1.0 protocol, with additional controllers and RPNs lsimilar to High-resolution Velocity Prefix and LSB controllers for mod wheel, volume, pan, exptession, foot pedal etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stokely Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 How's the aftertouch on the new Montage 6/7? I know it doesn't have poly. The reported awful AT on the Fantom is my main hesitation about getting one, probably not enough to stop me but it's definitely a bummer. If I do get a new keyboard it will end up being my main non-weighted home controller as well as for gigs so good AT would be handy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YashN Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 22 hours ago, DmitryKo said: Yamaha US product specialist Blake Angelos posted an announcement for the upcoming June 11 Tech Talk S05E02 and shared some new details of the OS v2.0. https://yamahasynth.com/learn/events/tech-talk-s05e02-montage-os-v2-0-and-e-s-p-2-0/ New features include: Shimmer Reverb (master FX) AN-X Wave Folder AN-X Smart Morph AWM2 Element Edit improvements MIDI 2.0 high resolution data for note velocity, polyphonic / channel aftertouch, Super Knob, pitch bend, modulation, assignable knobs/sliders, foot controllers, and sustain Very, very nice. Quote Kurzweil K2500XS + KDFX, Roland: JX-3P, JX-8P, Korg: Polysix, DW-8000, Alesis Micron, DIY Analogue Modular Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zephonic Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 Any news/updates on the Montage plugin? Will that reach full functionality with this update? Quote local: Korg Nautilus 61 AT | Yamaha MODX8 away: GigPerformer | 16" MBP M1 Max home: Kawai RX-2 | Korg D1 | Roland Fantom X7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DmitryKo Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 On 6/7/2024 at 12:28 AM, zephonic said: Any news/updates on the Montage plugin? Will that reach full functionality with this update? Yes, it will. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DmitryKo Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 Some takeaways from the Tech Talk S05E02 above. Enhanced controller resolution is just a step to full MIDI 2.0 implementation, but the UMP protocol is not there yet. Wavefolding is a new modifier block that sits before Filter in the signal path of the AN-X engine. SmartMorph can (obviously) morph between 4 different AN-X sounds in realtime. CFX2 and CP80LA do come as new User samples. Audio quality wasn't great during the live stream, so hopefully there will be OS 2.0 demos on YamahaSynth SoundCloud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ Cornish Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 7 hours ago, DmitryKo said: Some takeaways from the Tech Talk S05E02 above. Enhanced controller resolution is just a step to full MIDI 2.0 implementation, but the UMP protocol is not there yet. Wavefolding is a new modifier block that sits before Filter in the signal path of the AN-X engine. SmartMorph can (obviously) morph between 4 different AN-X sounds in realtime. CFX2 and CP80LA do come as new User samples. Audio quality wasn't great during the live stream, so hopefully there will be OS 2.0 demos on YamahaSynth SoundCloud. As far as I’m concerned, they can skip SoundCloud, and just release the software. I’m grateful for any new features including some of the above. I’m also hopeful there are workflow improvements that weren’t “headline-level” enough to spend time on during the video - that’s where my personal pain is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DmitryKo Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 18 hours ago, TJ Cornish said: As far as I’m concerned, they can skip SoundCloud, and just release the software. Sound demos are obviously intended for people who don't own the actual Montage M yet. Existing owners can just download the update and play with the new Performances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ Cornish Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 Looks like it’s out: Version 2.0 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaJockey Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 Just downloaded it. Will install tomorrow. I noticed the version 2.0 of the ESP software is also available in the Steinberg Download Assistant too The wording in the readme gives me the impression that it won't be the last ESP update. Quote The companions I can't live without: Kawai Acoustic Grand, Yamaha MontageM8x, Studiologic Numa Piano X GT, Other important stuff: Novation Summit, NI Komplete Ultimate 14 CE, Omnisphere, EW Hollywood and Fantasy Orchestra, Spitfire Albion and Symphony, Pianoteq 8 Pro, Roland RD88. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motif88 Posted June 21 Author Share Posted June 21 Installing v2.0 now…taking quite a long time to update. Downloaded the updated ESP too. Will report back…been traveling all week and I’m too shot to stay up until 2am Quote Using: Yamaha: Montage M8x| Spectrasonics: Omnisphere, Keyscape | uhe: Diva, Hive2, Zebra2| Roland: Cloud Pro | Arturia: V Collection | NI: Komplete 14 | VPS: Avenger | Cherry: GX80 | G-Force: OB-E | Korg: Triton, MS-20 Sold/Traded: Yamaha: Motif XS8, Motif ES8, Motif8, KX-88, TX7 | ASM: Hydrasynth Deluxe| Roland: RD-2000, D50, MKS-20| Korg: Kronos 88, T3, MS-20 | Oberheim: OB8, OBXa, Modular 8 Voice | Rhodes: Dyno-My-Piano| Crumar: T2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaJockey Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 I found it initially concerning how long it took...about 45 mins! But all was well. Some nice version 2.0 performances included, and the ESP update, has all the trimmings, as promised. Some nice folded wave performances too, and some excellent sounds making it easier to audibly apply the PAT. Quote The companions I can't live without: Kawai Acoustic Grand, Yamaha MontageM8x, Studiologic Numa Piano X GT, Other important stuff: Novation Summit, NI Komplete Ultimate 14 CE, Omnisphere, EW Hollywood and Fantasy Orchestra, Spitfire Albion and Symphony, Pianoteq 8 Pro, Roland RD88. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaJockey Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 Interesting with the shimmer effect. It so reminds me of the Noire Particles Engine when used with piano. Shimmer Sine Pad is excellent for individual note expression with PAT 👍 Quote The companions I can't live without: Kawai Acoustic Grand, Yamaha MontageM8x, Studiologic Numa Piano X GT, Other important stuff: Novation Summit, NI Komplete Ultimate 14 CE, Omnisphere, EW Hollywood and Fantasy Orchestra, Spitfire Albion and Symphony, Pianoteq 8 Pro, Roland RD88. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose EB5AGV Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 You can read about this new version here: https://www.musicproductionguide.eu/MPG/MusicProductionGuide_EN.pdf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaJockey Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 2 hours ago, Jose EB5AGV said: You can read about this new version here: https://www.musicproductionguide.eu/MPG/MusicProductionGuide_EN.pdf Interesting overview. According to the article some folks would be using the ESP in conjunction with the MontageM, but I've come to realize that other than syncing, I can't see the point of using them in the same place. I have one copy installed on my studio computer in which my main controller is the Montage M. We are allowed 2 installs, so my main use of ESP is on my laptop away from the Montage hardware itself. For me it would make more sense to have copies on 2 laptops rather than with the Montage. If I want to sync, I'd just plug the laptop into the Montage. ESP appears to be a mighty complicated and deep piece of software now, with the ability to tinker with my Montage sounds from the comfort of my lounge chair on my lap, or dare I say, as a bedtime activity.👍🤩 1 Quote The companions I can't live without: Kawai Acoustic Grand, Yamaha MontageM8x, Studiologic Numa Piano X GT, Other important stuff: Novation Summit, NI Komplete Ultimate 14 CE, Omnisphere, EW Hollywood and Fantasy Orchestra, Spitfire Albion and Symphony, Pianoteq 8 Pro, Roland RD88. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DmitryKo Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 On 6/18/2024 at 12:19 PM, DmitryKo said: Some takeaways from the Tech Talk S05E02 above. Enhanced controller resolution is just a step to full MIDI 2.0 implementation, but the UMP protocol is not there yet. CFX2 and CP80LA do come as new User samples. Well, Yamaha couldn't make this any more confusing: 1. The OS downloads page wouldn't list the size, but the update file is hefty 4 GBytes - so they're replacing the entire Preset Wave ROM, not just providing new User samples. 2. The updated Montage M Data List PDF/XLS does describe the new MIDI 2.0 UMP 1.1 Protocol messages for both MIDI 1.0 (Rx only) and MIDI 2.0 (Rx/Tx) high-resolution events, as well as endpoint discovery (with UMP protocol negotiaion) and device information - but there's neither a full suite of MIDI 2.0 messages and controllers with per-note events, nor MIDI-CI features like property exchange and configuration of instrument profiles. (MIDI 2.0 is for USB-MIDI only, as DIN connections cannot support UMP protocol.) Will probably have to wait for OS 4.0 to enable more MIDI-CI and MIDI 2.0 features complete with MIDI 2.0 Clip File format... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motif88 Posted June 22 Author Share Posted June 22 Well...I'm a big dope. Got home late from traveling all week, flight delays, etc. Decided to update my M8x at 1am. I thought I had all of my user data in a recent backup. I installed v2.0 which took a considerable amount of time and hit the infamous "Initialize All Data" after restarting, only to find my most recent backup was missing 6-8 patches that I had made in the past week or so. Had I just waited until the morning, with a clear head and coffee, I would have updated my backup as I always do. I know better after all these years yet I did it. Moral of the story, don't install updates when you are too tired, not focused and always make a current backup and have multiple backups on multiple drives. 2 Quote Using: Yamaha: Montage M8x| Spectrasonics: Omnisphere, Keyscape | uhe: Diva, Hive2, Zebra2| Roland: Cloud Pro | Arturia: V Collection | NI: Komplete 14 | VPS: Avenger | Cherry: GX80 | G-Force: OB-E | Korg: Triton, MS-20 Sold/Traded: Yamaha: Motif XS8, Motif ES8, Motif8, KX-88, TX7 | ASM: Hydrasynth Deluxe| Roland: RD-2000, D50, MKS-20| Korg: Kronos 88, T3, MS-20 | Oberheim: OB8, OBXa, Modular 8 Voice | Rhodes: Dyno-My-Piano| Crumar: T2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaJockey Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 Yes not good to do that sort of thing when you're that tired. It inevitably ends up in tears! I guess when not tired, step one is always to create a current backup file at the same time you then proceed with the update. Interesting, I forgot to do the "initialize all data step" like my last updates, just slipped my mind, but all my user stuff was cleared, and all the new functionality was there. I wonder what the result would be if I did it now? I suppose it's never too late to do that. Must make a new backup file first! Quote The companions I can't live without: Kawai Acoustic Grand, Yamaha MontageM8x, Studiologic Numa Piano X GT, Other important stuff: Novation Summit, NI Komplete Ultimate 14 CE, Omnisphere, EW Hollywood and Fantasy Orchestra, Spitfire Albion and Symphony, Pianoteq 8 Pro, Roland RD88. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motif88 Posted June 23 Author Share Posted June 23 3 hours ago, DeltaJockey said: Yes not good to do that sort of thing when you're that tired. It inevitably ends up in tears! I guess when not tired, step one is always to create a current backup file at the same time you then proceed with the update. Interesting, I forgot to do the "initialize all data step" like my last updates, just slipped my mind, but all my user stuff was cleared, and all the new functionality was there. I wonder what the result would be if I did it now? I suppose it's never too late to do that. Must make a new backup file first! All I can say is, “poop to that” I screwed up after 45+ years of playing this game. I do know better but was anxious, tired and wiped out. I’ll spend the next week or so trying to recreate my most recent patches that inspired me the most…that might lead to even better things, who knows… 1 Quote Using: Yamaha: Montage M8x| Spectrasonics: Omnisphere, Keyscape | uhe: Diva, Hive2, Zebra2| Roland: Cloud Pro | Arturia: V Collection | NI: Komplete 14 | VPS: Avenger | Cherry: GX80 | G-Force: OB-E | Korg: Triton, MS-20 Sold/Traded: Yamaha: Motif XS8, Motif ES8, Motif8, KX-88, TX7 | ASM: Hydrasynth Deluxe| Roland: RD-2000, D50, MKS-20| Korg: Kronos 88, T3, MS-20 | Oberheim: OB8, OBXa, Modular 8 Voice | Rhodes: Dyno-My-Piano| Crumar: T2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GovernorSilver Posted September 20 Share Posted September 20 I see Ujiie-san's name, I click. I'm always entertained by what he does. In this case showing how he might use ESP 2.0 in a DAW EDIT: Just noticed Ujiie-san's other vid 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dockeys Posted September 21 Share Posted September 21 Whatever happened to the stand alone version of this vst Yamaha promised? Are they still sticking with the hardware only model for access? Quote Yamaha MODX8, Legend Live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeroen van Zutphen Posted Sunday at 02:27 AM Share Posted Sunday at 02:27 AM This VST is already out, and you dont need the actual hardware to use it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaJockey Posted Sunday at 02:39 AM Share Posted Sunday at 02:39 AM Or, do you mean the software being available to separately purchase without having to own the hardware? I don't think they've ever hinted at a standalone purchase any time soon. Quote The companions I can't live without: Kawai Acoustic Grand, Yamaha MontageM8x, Studiologic Numa Piano X GT, Other important stuff: Novation Summit, NI Komplete Ultimate 14 CE, Omnisphere, EW Hollywood and Fantasy Orchestra, Spitfire Albion and Symphony, Pianoteq 8 Pro, Roland RD88. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHarrell Posted Sunday at 03:29 AM Share Posted Sunday at 03:29 AM Yeah I was looking that up last night and saw a post from I think Yamahamusic forums or something by a mod that said Yamaha has no intentions at this time for a separately available VST. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dockeys Posted Sunday at 12:17 PM Share Posted Sunday at 12:17 PM 9 hours ago, DeltaJockey said: Or, do you mean the software being available to separately purchase without having to own the hardware? I don't think they've ever hinted at a standalone purchase any time soon. Yes this is what I meant. Currently you can only buy the software if you own the hardware montage right? I thought they were looking at releasing it as a piece of software in its own right without the need to own an actual montage. It would probably scupper sales too much I’d imagine so I won’t hold my breath. Quote Yamaha MODX8, Legend Live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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