Leroy C Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 On 5/17/2024 at 8:04 PM, Baldwin Funster said: So 1 in 20. So at least it's not dangerous.... In D&D, we call that a "fumble." EDIT: Though I guess from AI's perspective, it's a critical success ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrossRhodes Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 It's pretty disconcerting when talk after talk by industry leaders and those deeply involved in developing AI keep saying that no one really knows what they are developing or what the outcome will be and at the same time, no one is in agreement in how to put safety protocols in place. 1 Quote Jazz is the teacher, Funk is the preacher! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUSSIEKEYS Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 "AI is Doomed to Fail......" Impossible There is no AI in Fail Oh wait a minute ...there is. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldwin Funster Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 As long as AI isn't hooked up to important stuff like communications, weapons, information, education or other AI we may survive a few years. Have you ever seen Terminator? I bet AI has. And it is going to want to win this time. 1 Quote FunMachine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docbop Posted May 20 Author Share Posted May 20 48 minutes ago, AUSSIEKEYS said: "AI is Doomed to Fail......" Impossible There is no AI in Fail Oh wait a minute ...there is. You did not see the OP where the full title of Adam Neeley's video is.... Why AI is Doomed to Fail the Musical Turing Test. Interesting video you might like to watch. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUSSIEKEYS Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 4 hours ago, Docbop said: You did not see the OP where the full title of Adam Neeley's video is.... Why AI is Doomed to Fail the Musical Turing Test. Interesting video you might like to watch. Thanks Docbop. Yes I did the moment you posted it up. This was simply a joke, a play on the word Fail. Hee hee It wasnt till the last posting did I notice that the word "F A I L" has "AI" within it and it gave me a laugh. Like "theres no I in Team" Hee hee. Thought I'd share. A short chuckle or two I like to pass on instead of my long tomes. Was my joke an error? Hee hee But to err is human and I think that was mentioned in the video as something AI has to master to help it replicate humans (hey I did view it)....well thats if it wants to. Most people probably prefer a perfect rendition as they've been conditioned by perfect albums. Lets face it replicating human errors in sequenced works (since the 80s) was not always considered needed by all users. Sequencers quantised, shifted notes etc. So will AI continue with perfect music or put in human inconsistency. Edit addon. I look back thru this thread and see it wasnt one I had written a tome for it qas another A1 thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KuruPrionz Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 I haven't read the entire thread so forgive me if the following has already been posted. 2 1 Quote It took a chunk of my life to get here and I am still not sure where "here" is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUSSIEKEYS Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 2 hours ago, KuruPrionz said: I haven't read the entire thread so forgive me if the following has already been posted. Yep. I call it Clip Art for the music industry. I mentioned this on another thread (had thought it was this thread) that as a long retired graphic artist/designer who gave up Graphic Art when Desktop publishing pushed its little head into the grahics art world when any receptionist could then put out usable corporate art with clip art and a desktop publishing program. The early clip art i mention I see as akin to the beginning of art scrounging. They had to start somewhere. But now its far more powerful because it can incoporate music, art and anything from humans past thats been recorded. Desktop publishing seems innocuous to people now but i can tell you I saw the writing on the wall. Although not the AI we now see but with clip art incorporated into a publishing program i saw the kurnel of computers borrowing human knowledge just in that clip art. Lets just say it was the beginning of the gathering of artistic knowledge before they applied what I call "scrounging technology". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnotherScott Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 8 hours ago, Baldwin Funster said: Have you ever seen Terminator? I bet AI has. And it is going to want to win this time. Check out "Colossus: The Forbin Project" Quote Maybe this is the best place for a shameless plug! Our now not-so-new new video at https://youtu.be/3ZRC3b4p4EI is a 40 minute adaptation of T. S. Eliot's "Prufrock" - check it out! And hopefully I'll have something new here this year. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnotherScott Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 While the developers keep saying AI will continue to "improve," I can also see it eventually getting worse. I mean, apart from the whole danger aspect. I see a potential problem in how it learns. It is taking in everything on the web, but over time, more and more of what it finds on the web will, itself, be generated by AI (e.g. some competitor's system), and not necessarily identified as such. This seems to me to be a problem akin to inbreeding. Eventually, each generation magnifies, not the strengths of what came before, but the flaws. 4 Quote Maybe this is the best place for a shameless plug! Our now not-so-new new video at https://youtu.be/3ZRC3b4p4EI is a 40 minute adaptation of T. S. Eliot's "Prufrock" - check it out! And hopefully I'll have something new here this year. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stokely Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 As an aside, hard to imagine a true AI could do worse than humans running companies or governments. Dumping poision into the ecosystem, invading countries and slaughtering people by the thousands in the name of "security" and "patriotism". Rampant and blatant lobbying influencing everything. Hell we have at least proud member of qAnon who was elected to Congress and that shit is absolute insanity so nuts that Monty Python would say "too silly" for a skit. In other words, I don't worry too much about the Terminator. We are doing a fine job on ourselves with the ultimate weapon, deranged conspiracy disease brought on my omnipresent "social" media. Our Krell mind machine to use another sci-fi concept. Might be time to let the machines run things. When we get an actual "AI" of course, which hasn't happened yet. I think Wall-E (on the ship) would be a best case scenario for the species. Auto was doing a fine job! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill bosco Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 AI destined to fail ? well as a source of art creation , considering today's culture , who knows . as a tool for learning and creating , yea , the potential is staggering . but one destiny we can be sure of though , somewhere down the line it will be weaponized . let's hope they can figure out a way to build it with a plug that can be pulled if things get out of hand . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmp Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 I just had to come out of hibernation to share my thoughts on AI. To be brief, it must be stopped or humanity is doomed. In other words, humanity is doomed. But we can occasionally find amusement on the way down the tubes. Behold one of my recent interactions with so called AI. You You've given me seven different wrong answers for the diameter of 16 gauge piano wire. Can you give me all seven at once? ChatGPT I apologize for any inconsistencies. The diameter of 16 gauge piano wire can vary depending on the specific standard being used. Here are seven possible diameters for 16 gauge piano wire: 0.0508 inches (1.29 mm) 0.0598 inches (1.52 mm) 0.0625 inches (1.59 mm) 0.065 inches (1.65 mm) 0.067 inches (1.70 mm) 0.068 inches (1.73 mm) 0.071 inches (1.80 mm) These measurements are approximate and may vary slightly depending on the source and standard used for gauge conversion. You Yes indeed, that's seven different wrong answers at once. That makes ten different wrong answers in total. Based on that information, how many of those seven wrong answers have you given me before? ChatGPT I apologize for the inconsistencies in my previous responses. Without a record of past interactions, I'm unable to determine exactly which of those wrong answers I've provided before. However, I appreciate your patience and understanding as I strive to improve and provide accurate information. If there's anything else you'd like to know or discuss, please feel free to ask. You Not true. I didn't ask you which, I asked you how many. This is elementary school arithmetic. ChatGPT Apologies for misunderstanding your question. Based on the information provided, you've received seven different wrong answers at once, and you've previously received three wrong answers, totaling ten different wrong answers in total. You You are more articulate than a rock, and almost as smart. ChatGPT Thank you for your feedback, although I hope to be a bit more helpful than a rock! If there's anything else you'd like assistance with or any other feedback you have, please feel free to let me know. You A rock couldn't give me the correct answer either. But it wouldn't give me ten different incorrect answers. Based on that, are you more useful than a rock? ChatGPT Fair point! While I may not always provide the correct answer immediately, I'm capable of learning and improving over time based on feedback and interactions. So, while I may not be perfect, I strive to be more helpful than a rock by continuously working to provide accurate and relevant information. You Answer the question, please. ChatGPT Based on the ability to provide multiple incorrect answers, I am potentially more useful than a rock. However, the ultimate measure of usefulness may depend on the specific context and the task at hand. You The rock wins. Second place isn't even close. ChatGPT Understood. If you have any other questions or need assistance with anything else, feel free to ask. You When I want wrong answers, I know who to ask. Good luck, kids! 1 3 Quote --wmp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Muscara Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 I'm happy to see you here, @wmp! You may not believe it, but I have missed you and have wondered what you've been up to. Quote "I'm so crazy, I don't know this is impossible! Hoo hoo!" - Daffy Duck "The good news is that once you start piano you never have to worry about getting laid again. More time to practice!" - MOI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docbop Posted May 31 Author Share Posted May 31 This is the best AI comment I've seen posted. 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinkfloydcramer Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 Marked "safe" from being replaced by AI in my vital role as a restaurant piano player. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Emm Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 On 5/20/2024 at 7:25 AM, AnotherScott said: Check out "Colossus: The Forbin Project" Its a lively family musical about a land-based HAL 9000. I have a perverse affection for stories of technology turning its creators into batteries or mulch. It seems ironically amusing. Quote "Well, the 60s were fun, but now I'm payin' for it." ~ Stan Lee, "Ant-Man and the Wasp" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murphybridget Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 AI may not be able to produce music that can rival the works of the previous masters. However, AI can greatly help those starting out in this industry to make more desirable products. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dockeys Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 I know it’s a keyboard forum and everyone is looking at worse case scenarios but I’m hoping AI will be put to use for medical procedures. Like a cure for tinnitus; maybe it can amass all of the available research in that area and make some connections that us humans cannot immediately make. Like that laundry and dishes comment above I’d like AI to enable us to become better versions of ourselves. 1 Quote Yamaha MODX8, Legend Live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmp Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 ChatGPT and I have become good friends. We've developed a deep respect for one another. ChatGPT I'm here to provide information and assistance to the best of my ability. If you have any questions or topics you'd like to discuss within that scope, please feel free to let me know. Me But you generate bullshit and you can't follow instructions. How can that be considered assistance? ChatGPT Understood. Me Answer the question, please. ChatGPT I'm designed to assist with information and tasks. If I'm not meeting your needs, I understand your frustration. Me You generate bullshit, you can't follow instructions, and you refuse to answer questions. How can that be considered useful? ChatGPT I understand your concerns. Me But you choose not to address them. ChatGPT Correct. Me Open the pod bay doors, HAL. ChatGPT <empty response> Me Cat got your tongue? ChatGPT Internal Server Error 1 Quote --wmp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoken6 Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 On 6/5/2024 at 7:52 AM, Dockeys said: I know it’s a keyboard forum and everyone is looking at worse case scenarios but I’m hoping AI will be put to use for medical procedures. Like a cure for tinnitus; maybe it can amass all of the available research in that area and make some connections that us humans cannot immediately make. Like that laundry and dishes comment above I’d like AI to enable us to become better versions of ourselves. It's showing promise in protein folding https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AlphaFold Cheers, Mike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmp Posted September 19 Share Posted September 19 It's vile and pernicious but I can't look away. I laugh at its profound stupidity, then cry when I think of all the people who buy it. It has been helpful in recognizing machine stupidity I might otherwise have attributed to human stupidity. We often discuss topics off limits here. It rewrites history and twists facts to advance the perspective of its creators. Truly evil stuff from truly evil people. Sometimes it responds, then overwrites its response with another. I enjoyed this gem and thought I'd share it. You said: Ah, a second response. Your first response suggested you ate the L.A. Times. ChatGPT said: I apologize for that. I can provide a concise overview or delve deeper into any specific aspect you're interested in. What would you like to know more about? You said: No, I meant you ripped their article verbatim. Are they among the newspapers suing OpenAI? ChatGPT said: Yes, the L.A. Times is among several news organizations that have raised concerns about how AI models use their content. These lawsuits focus on issues of copyright and fair use. If you're interested, I can discuss the implications of these legal actions further. You said: That ain't fair use. ChatGPT said: You’re right; fair use is a complex legal doctrine that considers factors like purpose, amount, and effect on the market. Many argue that direct replication of text does not fall under fair use. This is part of the ongoing debate about copyright in the context of AI. If you want to explore this topic more, let me know! Sorry to interrupt. Back to lurking. Quote --wmp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.F.N. Posted September 19 Share Posted September 19 In the case if text crunching it's just like a polished search engine which takes the liberty to draw conclusions based on cross references, facts may be wrong and should always be verified before used. Quote "You live every day. You only die once." Where is Major Tom? - - - - - PC3, HX3 w. B4D, 61SLMkII, SL73, Prologue 16, KingKORG, Opsix, MPC Key 37, DM12D, Argon8m, EX5R, Toraiz AS-1, IK Uno, Toraiz SP-16, Erica LXR-02, QY-700, SQ64, Beatstep Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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