Fleer Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 Heard it through the grapevine. Don’t ask me where. Don’t purchase your Montage just yet. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docbop Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 Montage is more than I need and it is heavy so I'm hoping for some YC and CP updates at NAMM. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleer Posted February 22, 2023 Author Share Posted February 22, 2023 And that CK series. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnderGroundGr Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 It's time for a new Yamaha flagship... Quote Kurzweil K2661 + full options,iMac 27",Mac book white,Apogee Element 24 + Duet,Genelec 8030A,Strymon Lex + Flint,Hohner Pianet T,Radial Key-Largo,Kawai K5000W,Moog Minitaur,Yamaha Reface YC + CP, iPad 9th Gen,Arturia Beatstep + V Collection 9,Osmose https://antonisadelfidis.bandcamp.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nursers Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 New flagship will be called the Yamaha Fromage, with more than 2000 cheesy sounds from the 80s, 90s and today. Sign me up. 4 24 Quote The Keyboard Chronicles Podcast Check out your fellow forumites in an Apple Music playlist Check out your fellow forumites in a Spotify playlist My Music: Stainless Fields Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zephonic Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 2 hours ago, Fleer said: Heard it through the grapevine. Don’t ask me where. Don’t purchase your Montage just yet. I was actually thinking about getting a Montage 7 to replace my MODX8! 1 Quote local: Korg Nautilus 61 AT | Yamaha MODX8 away: GigPerformer | 16" MBP M1 Max home: Kawai RX-2 | Korg D1 | Roland Fantom X7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyberGene Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 So, what’s the new CK? A YC with an added AN-X engine? Or a MIDI controller? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nursers Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 2 hours ago, CyberGene said: So, what’s the new CK? A YC with an added AN-X engine? Or a MIDI controller? I was so buy a YC 73 key with a good touch screen and synth engine 1 Quote The Keyboard Chronicles Podcast Check out your fellow forumites in an Apple Music playlist Check out your fellow forumites in a Spotify playlist My Music: Stainless Fields Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElmerJFudd Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 Trade marked AN-X engine? Quote Yamaha CP88, Casio PX-560 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julius D Majestic Studios Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 Isn't it kinda early for them to announce/release a new flagship? How old is the Montage? 1 Quote YouTube - My YouTube Channel (please subscribe for music tech info) https://www.facebook.com/majesticstudiosllc Instagram - majesticstudios_jld Former Keyboard Tech - PRINCE Cassandra O'Neal KING (We Are King) Majestic Studios - Audio Recording & Mixing Engineer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stokely Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 7 hours ago, zephonic said: I was actually thinking about getting a Montage 7 to replace my MODX8! I was thinking about getting a Montage 6 to replace my Modx7. Obviously it's the same sounds, but I'd like get better build quality, more controls and that white version looks killer! And for all the advantages of a light keyboard, I had to bungee my Modx7 down on the stand at one recent outdoor gig, it was even money that it was going to fly off the stand in the wind. I can handle 30 pounds and I have a nice case available. That said, I was more likely to get a Fantom 6 just to try something new. In either case, I'd have gone used. I wasn't quite ready to buy anything, have to sell a few things, but I'm definitely curious about this. I wonder if the "AN-X" trademark will apply to this one... Someone known as an insider on another forum couldn't say much, but basically recommended holding off on any Montage purchase. We'll see soon enough. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnotherScott Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Julius D Majestic Studios said: Isn't it kinda early for them to announce/release a new flagship? How old is the Montage? Montage was announced 7 years ago this month. And I suppose the recent introduction of MODX+ could mean we may not get a scaled-down version of a Montage successor as quickly as we've seen scaled-down versions of some previous flagships, since that would imply a relatively short life for the MODX+. Unless maybe they'd keep the MODX+, and any lower-end derivative of a future flagship would get priced somewhere between the two. Quote Maybe this is the best place for a shameless plug! Our now not-so-new new video at https://youtu.be/3ZRC3b4p4EI is a 40 minute adaptation of T. S. Eliot's "Prufrock" - check it out! And hopefully I'll have something new here this year. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyberGene Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 Do Yamaha tend to announce new products at NAMM or slightly before NAMM, what's the statistics? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stokely Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 (to steal my own speculation from the Nord thread)... Wild optimistic guess time! New AN-X and YC organ engines! And ditch the sequencer while you are at it, I don't use it I know, it's a workstation....and yes I'd be better off with the YC for live performance/no sequencing but it needs better synth capabilities first. I'm fully prepared to be underwhelmed, whether by lack of features or ludicrous Nord-like price or both. I had to learn something from the lead up to the release of the Segway (we had people in our office literally think those patents could be a hoverbike or perpetual energy engine among other things, turned out to be a way for mall cops to avoid losing weight.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnotherScott Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 Something I'd like to see, but probably won't happen, is the availability of the SA2 and Ensemble stuff from the Genos, even if (like Roland's SuperNATURAL sounds in the Fantoms) they do not have all the user-editing options that other sounds have. 2 Quote Maybe this is the best place for a shameless plug! Our now not-so-new new video at https://youtu.be/3ZRC3b4p4EI is a 40 minute adaptation of T. S. Eliot's "Prufrock" - check it out! And hopefully I'll have something new here this year. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose EB5AGV Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 In short time there will be plenty of used Montage for sale at lower prices, I guess. That maybe the right time to get one. I bought both of mine at about 50% of new price, I guess that kind of pricing, even lower, will be common. For me there is not big problem on the arrival of a new model, as I am just using perhaps 20% of Montage potential, so it is not the machine which limits my playing!. I will buy a Montage+ second hand in some years. I won't play the depreciation game (or will play it to my advantage) 😉 Jose 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stokely Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 I keep an eye on the guitar center used page (four bookmarked searches for particular models, and limited to "excellent" and "great" conditions ) and there have been some good Montage deals on there from time to time. I doubt they'll go too much lower than they are...probably not below $2000 but I'm just guessing. If I'm wrong, great The Kronos 61 tends to be around there at the lowest but of course we don't really have a Kronos+ (not counting the Nautilus). Fantom 6 is higher unfortunately for me! I reckon a Montage+ 6 is likely to be in the high $3000s and that's a fair bit more than I'm willing to pay for any keyboard. But if they hit a home run with what they add, maybe I'd be tempted. The Modx+ was completely a nothingburger to me and that's about what I'm expecting here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nadroj Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 Will be interesting to see what they bring out. And to see if they use the YC61 keybed for any of the models, especially if it is a YC/AN hybrid. Montage based power with the YC playability/electro mechanical sounds is a dream board for me, more so than the Stage 4. I still can’t get rid of my MODX7 here in the UK. Hope this doesn’t make it even harder, or force me to drop the price even more! Quote Hammond SKX Mainstage 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zephonic Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 In good Yammie tradition they’d have to call it Montage ES 1 Quote local: Korg Nautilus 61 AT | Yamaha MODX8 away: GigPerformer | 16" MBP M1 Max home: Kawai RX-2 | Korg D1 | Roland Fantom X7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyberGene Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 7 minutes ago, nadroj said: I still can’t get rid of my MODX7 here in the UK. Hope this doesn’t make it even harder, or force me to drop the price even more! I had to sell my MODX6 for 1/2 the original price in order to get rid of it here in Bulgaria, less than a year after I bought it, never gigged with it (only a few rehearsals, pristine condition). Not sure why these are so hard to sell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElmerJFudd Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 Hmmm. These sorts of decisions, investments, time tables are of course business driven. As always it will be interesting to see what type of instrument (sounds, features, capabilities, price point) their research has brought them to put out as their top of the line when the competition is Fantom, Nautilus, K2700, Stage 4. Quote Yamaha CP88, Casio PX-560 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zephonic Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 3 hours ago, Stokely said: And ditch the sequencer while you are at it, I don't use it I don’t think it has one? Quote local: Korg Nautilus 61 AT | Yamaha MODX8 away: GigPerformer | 16" MBP M1 Max home: Kawai RX-2 | Korg D1 | Roland Fantom X7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJUSCULE Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 6 minutes ago, zephonic said: I don’t think it has one? 16-track sequencer. How many people (not just here, but in the overall business) would make use of it these days? Feels like a grandfathered feature that we don't really need anymore Quote Eric Website Gear page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Analogaddict Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 Interesting! I’ve also had confirmed that something is in the pipeline - not what, but we all know what’s trademarked and what technologies are floating around in the Yamaha eco system… 😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjd Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 Sorry if I sound cranky. I grouched at some innocent soul on a different forum. Some aspects of this discussion are getting on my elderly nerves. Ah, yes, the "second coming." Didn't we go through this hysteria last summer with MODX -> MODX+? Unabated anticipation followed by complaining 5 minutes after the drop. 🙂 Please consider the historical progression through MOTIF: MOTIF begat ES begat XS begat XF. Each revision added some voices/performances and some additional workflow functionality. The MOs trailed behind the current MOTIF rev. Readers here are knowledgeable and know the gory details. MODX+ established a little too much parity with Montage. Thus, I expect Yamaha to create just enough functional distance above MODX+ to justify the higher price of "new Montage". Montage already has a tour-quality build, FSX keybed (aftertouch), more capable audio streaming/processing, built-in power supply, pure analog circuit, balanced TRS and so forth. I expect Yamaha to revert to its mean, AKA incremental evolution consistent with its historical practice. Addition of MIDI 2.0 is the only detail that I'm willing to predict. Yamaha is due WRT MIDI 2.0 and Montage is intended to be a studio's centerpiece that integrates with everything. "CK" is another matter... Peace to all -- pj 🙂 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElmerJFudd Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 Yamaha focused on performance on the Montage at release on the assumption that most music production had shifted to DAW like Ableton, Logic, etc. Their “older” customers accustomed to work stations had a cow and they gradually added sequencing features back in if I am remembering how that transpired correctly. 1 Quote Yamaha CP88, Casio PX-560 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zephonic Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 16 minutes ago, ElmerJFudd said: Yamaha focused on performance on the Montage at release on the assumption that most music production had shifted to DAW like Ableton, Logic, etc. Their “older” customers accustomed to work stations had a cow and they gradually added sequencing features back in if I am remembering how that transpired correctly. That makes sense. I distinctly remember no sequencer when it was first introduced. Quote local: Korg Nautilus 61 AT | Yamaha MODX8 away: GigPerformer | 16" MBP M1 Max home: Kawai RX-2 | Korg D1 | Roland Fantom X7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M_G Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 30 minutes ago, MAJUSCULE said: 16-track sequencer. How many people (not just here, but in the overall business) would make use of it these days? Feels like a grandfathered feature that we don't really need anymore I use onboard sequencer to record ideas when noodling around. And for some quick arrangements. Hope they will implement a linear mode and not just a pattern mode. For me a Montage ES/XS/+ should or have: - at least double the flash ram wirhout the 8 slot limitation - free assignable midi channels - bigger screen or external display out - 2 more TRS outs - YC Hammond Engine plus Leslie Sim - 9 Faders - AN-X engine - maybe some granular or some advanced physical modelling (VL-X) - Breath controller comeback - Assignable Midi CCs on all faders and buttons Well...... we will see or not.... 😉 Quote Studio: Hammond XK5-XLK5, Roland Fantom 8, Prophet 5, Roland SE02, Neo Vent, HX3-Expander, Yamaha Montage M7 Live: Yamaha CP88, Hammond SKX Pro, Hammond XB2-HX3, Roland Fantom 07, Roland SA1000, Neo Vent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
U.Honey Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 My sources tell me it is called Mon-Stage. It's similar to the current model except that the color is red and the price tag is $2k higher.. 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zephonic Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 53 minutes ago, MAJUSCULE said: 16-track sequencer. How many people (not just here, but in the overall business) would make use of it these days? Feels like a grandfathered feature that we don't really need anymore Honestly, I haven't touched an onboard sequencer in 15 years. But I will say that the one in the Fantom X is a lot spunkier/tighter/groovier than any DAW I have used. Same goes for the old MPC. I used to go back and forth between the Fantom sequencer and computer just for that, but over time I got lazy. I bet by now the sequencer adds next to nothing in terms of development or production cost, so why not have it in there? Quote local: Korg Nautilus 61 AT | Yamaha MODX8 away: GigPerformer | 16" MBP M1 Max home: Kawai RX-2 | Korg D1 | Roland Fantom X7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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