ElmerJFudd Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 Apparently Schon wants to see CC statements that are being hidden from him. Cain says Neal can see all the statements he likes, it’s not going to change spending limits set on the card which apparently Neal abuses because he lives extravagantly. 1 Quote Yamaha CP88, Casio PX-560 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timwat Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 I'm pretty sure when you start taking bandmates to court over credit card statements, you're doing it wrong. 8 Quote .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElmerJFudd Posted November 23, 2022 Author Share Posted November 23, 2022 6 minutes ago, timwat said: I'm pretty sure when you start taking bandmates to court over credit card statements, you're doing it wrong. https://www.loudersound.com/news/journey-are-suing-each-other-again-this-time-its-neal-schon-vs-jonathan-cain https://www.loudersound.com/news/jonathan-cain-responds-to-neal-schon-lawsuit-accuses-him-of-malicious-lies They’ve got some 40 dates with Toto lined up. Best sort this out. 1 Quote Yamaha CP88, Casio PX-560 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyRude Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 dohhhhhhhh...... man o man. Don't see how you can continue on after this Quote Some music I've recorded and played over the years with a few different bands Tommy Rude Soundcloud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nursers Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 What a train wreck 🙄 Quote The Keyboard Chronicles Podcast Check out your fellow forumites in an Apple Music playlist Check out your fellow forumites in a Spotify playlist My Music: Stainless Fields Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan May Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 There's a guy named Harmless Dave, The Real Music Observer on YouTube who pretty much dedicates 90% of his videos to Journey. He is totally obsessed with the group, and unsurprisingly, he has been posting nonstop about the Cain/Schon lawsuit. Maybe Harmless Dave can actually conduct an interview with Neal Schon and get his side of the story, rather than jumping to conclusions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill H. Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 ^ Man I dunno... I got a couple minutes into that first video, and after hearing him utter the words Clinton News Network and seeing The Real Anthony Fauci prominently displayed on his bookshelf - it's hard to take this guy as an impartial observer. A quick Google search of "Cain Schon feud" turned up a bunch of hits for a bunch of stuff. These guys have been going after each other through the courts for years - as have practically every other member of Journey. My guess is that they'll patch it up and continue to tour. The livelihood of at least one member (Schon) depends on it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABECK Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 29 minutes ago, Bill H. said: ^ Man I dunno... I got a couple minutes into that first video, and after hearing him utter the words Clinton News Network and seeing The Real Anthony Fauci prominently displayed on his bookshelf - it's hard to take this guy as an impartial observer. How does either make him impartial in this matter? (I mean, I get your point, but it's a bit of apples and oranges) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill H. Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Yet another episode of "As Journey Turns": https://variety.com/2022/music/news/journey-cease-and-desist-dont-stop-believin-trump-rally-1235467595/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stokely Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 I saw that today and thought that was what this thread was about. I don't really follow the lives and times of musicians so all this is new to me. And frankly, head in the sand is often better when it comes to knowing about content providers and what they think in "real life"...certain authors for example I'll never read again--as I don't want to give them my $-- due to their (to me) awful views on things. Even with a podunk band like the one I'm in, keeping away from politics is the way to go, IMO. Our bass player has worn t-shirts that are on/over the line to me. When we are hired by a venue as entertainment, it's not part of our job to rile up the "other side" who might be in the audience. Obviously a big band like Journey is not hired by a venue so it's not quite the same. But Schon is right if he's saying that you are risking alienating some % of your fan base. What's kind of crazy is that my band has been together 10 years and we've always had a political split even as members have come and gone. We've had hardcore so-called "liberals" and "conservatives" and people in a range between. Not ONCE has politics come up in discussion, and that's a big reason we've been together 10 years. If I ever join another band, that's a prerequisite, one of many. We've had other areas of conflict, it's hard enough to keep a band together without politics getting involved! I have a feeling this latest issue might spell the end for this thread in pretty short order 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoken6 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Stokely said: my band has been together 10 years and we've always had a political split even as members have come and gone. We've had hardcore so-called "liberals" and "conservatives" and people in a range between. Not ONCE has politics come up in discussion, and that's a big reason we've been together 10 years. The "no politics" rule works well on this forum also. Cheers, Mike 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRollins Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 Music is often about politics. Look at all the protest songs about the Vietnam war and racial stuff back in the '60s for starters. How can you separate them without creating a gaping hole of music-we-can't-talk-about? Wouldn't that be a little conspicuous? Grey 1 Quote I'm not interested in someone's ability to program. I'm interested in their ability to compose and play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stokely Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 Good point. I think in my case, I'm in a for-hire cover band and not doing originals that might have something to say I mean, we could get political, but depending on which "side" we pick we'd lose a lot of gigs very quickly. I'm in Florida, ymmv in other locales. I played briefly with a guy doing originals that thought it was a good idea to launch f-bombs while talking to the audience. Just as unprofessional IMO. You gain nothing and risk losing gigs by acting that way. Our "no politics" unspoken law is not about the songs or music. In fact we stick with our common ground, which is music. My buddy's band has a lot of political banter and they are fine with that, I wouldn't be. Journey's songs are about as far from political as music can get. We aren't talking "Somthing's Happening Here" when it comes to Don't Stop Believin'. So Schon is right pointing out that a lot of fans are going to be surprised and perhaps unhappy that it's being co-opted for this use. But whatever, I don't really care either way what big stars get up to, I have my own dramas! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RABid Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 These are the type of bandmates that make Steve Perry look good. They have all criticized him for being arrogant and controlling, but he had the voice and wrote the songs that made them into a supergroup. He went longer than I would have before putting out a solo album. 1 Quote This post edited for speling. My Sweetwater Gear Exchange Page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyRude Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 man this just gets worse and worse. They're still advertising 2023 tour dates. I guess they 'could' continue to tour, the stage is large, they could enter from opposite sides, never actually interact or look at each other during the show. That's probably common for lots of famous groups. After years and years of playing together, folks grow to dislike each other, but carry on because the financial rewards outweigh the drama. And audiences either don't know or don't care about the drama. Quote Some music I've recorded and played over the years with a few different bands Tommy Rude Soundcloud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adan Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 I would think it's mainly a contract/IP dispute. There's no prohibition in the law on playing music in a political context. The question is whether Schon can prevent Cain from representing himself as "Journey" or play Journey-penned songs, period. Quote Gigging: Crumar Mojo 61, Hammond SKPro Home: Vintage Vibe 64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyRude Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 Here's their 2023 tour date page. Some possible dialog to accompany this pic; Cain: "F*** you!" Schoen: "F*** you too!" Pineda: "Noooo guys noooo!!!" 1 Quote Some music I've recorded and played over the years with a few different bands Tommy Rude Soundcloud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotiDave Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 On 11/23/2022 at 7:53 AM, Bill H. said: ^ Man I dunno... I got a couple minutes into that first video, and after hearing him utter the words Clinton News Network and seeing The Real Anthony Fauci prominently displayed on his bookshelf - it's hard to take this guy as an impartial observer. A quick Google search of "Cain Schon feud" turned up a bunch of hits for a bunch of stuff. These guys have been going after each other through the courts for years - as have practically every other member of Journey. My guess is that they'll patch it up and continue to tour. The livelihood of at least one member (Schon) depends on it. I haven’t paid much attention but it sounds like Cain’s wife is right wing active, and Schon is pretty hard left and hates Cain plays to right wing audiences. Anyone jumping into the fray with obvious political phrases or books displayed in the video frame probably isn’t unbiased. I didn’t care enough to listen to him even if he’s unbiased. And yeah - their lawsuits and fighting go way back a long time before these latest personality / political based differences from what I’ve heard. No idea bout the merits of the CC dispute Cain filed. Just in general a high limit band credit card that one guy can ring things up on without any spend checks or band input doesn’t sound like a good idea, especially if he’s not great friends with the others. I’d think he should use his own accounts and submit expenses to the band in a more financially controlled process. But hey - not my band. Quote The baiting I do is purely for entertainment value. Please feel free to ignore it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Nathan Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 Without getting political, this fight has been about politics first and money as a result of politics all along. Cain is married to Paula White. Both are deeply connected to the former President and much of the so-called White Christian Nationalist movement. Schon is solidly on the Progressive end of the political spectrum. I won't comment on my personal politics here in the KC, but wanted to illustrate that in this fight, each is convinced that the other's politics are damaging the Journey brand which ultimately means less money. There's a similar dynamic between Richie Furay and some of the former members of Buffalo Springfield and Poco, though it hasn't risen to this level publicly. 5 Quote Don't rush me. I'm playing as slowly as I can! http://www.stevenathanmusic.com/stevenathanmusic.com/HOME.html https://apple.co/2EGpYXK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. Gauss Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 It's called "corporate rock" for a reason... 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hurricane hugo Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 that credit card will be their doom hit Amazon for cheap perfume billable hours never end they go on and on and on and on and on 1 1 Quote http://blip.fm/invite/WorkRelease Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adan Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 16 hours ago, Steve Nathan said: Without getting political, this fight has been about politics first and money as a result of politics all along. Cain is married to Paula White. Both are deeply connected to the former President and much of the so-called White Christian Nationalist movement. Schon is solidly on the Progressive end of the political spectrum. I won't comment on my personal politics here in the KC, but wanted to illustrate that in this fight, each is convinced that the other's politics are damaging the Journey brand which ultimately means less money. There's a similar dynamic between Richie Furay and some of the former members of Buffalo Springfield and Poco, though it hasn't risen to this level publicly. Good points, because in court you have to prove not only that someone violated the law or broke a contract, but also that you were harmed by it. This could be the stuff of a very bad civil law procedural, with one guy claiming the band is losing fans, the other arguing no fans or revenue lost, just shifting the fan base left or right on the spectrum, the verdict right after this commercial break. I'd rather watch a jazz documentary, but I'm sure tons of folks would tune in . . . Quote Gigging: Crumar Mojo 61, Hammond SKPro Home: Vintage Vibe 64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mate stubb Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 Journey ended for me when Gregg left. 1 2 Quote Moe --- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcgoo Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 2 hours ago, mate stubb said: Journey ended for me when Gregg left. Not so for me but the crap going on between Schon and Cain, along with the firings of Valery and Smith have soured my interest in the band. I have zero interest in supporting an obvious money grab, which is what a tour would be in their current situation. And I couldn't care less about either of their political stances. Quote Custom Music, Audio Post Production, Location Audio www.gmma.biz https://www.facebook.com/gmmamusic/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill H. Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 Journey has hired a new manager to take over the former co-managing duties of Cain and Shon: https://www.billboard.com/pro/journey-new-manager-mike-kobayashi/ According to the article, gross from last year's tour was $39.9 million 🤯 When money's that serious, they'll continue to play together onstage - even if they're not on speaking terms. Been in bands that have done this... and for far less money. Kobayashi has his work cut out for him though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderton Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 They're blowing a fantastic opportunity. They have a chance to say "We're in total disagreement about politics, but music is our common ground. We hope that our music can provide a common ground for our fans, and prove there are at least some things we can all agree about." In other words, play up the political differences - to show that people with different ideologies don't have to see each other as enemies. The only problem, of course, is that all concerned would have to act like adults. I have several friends, both right and left-leaning, whose politics I disagree with. But the reality is that if any of us were stuck in a broken-down car on a highway at 3 AM, any one of us would go to help. And if any of us were invited to a barbeque, last time I checked, spare ribs don't have a political affiliation 6 2 Quote Craig Anderton Educational site: http://www.craiganderton.org Music: http://www.youtube.com/thecraiganderton Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/craig_anderton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRollins Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 That's 'cause ribs ain't politics...they's religion...least-a-ways that's the way it is 'round these parts! Grey 2 4 Quote I'm not interested in someone's ability to program. I'm interested in their ability to compose and play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Bryce Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 7 minutes ago, GRollins said: That's 'cause ribs ain't politics...they's religion...least-a-ways that's the way it is 'round these parts! Especially baby backs. 🥰 dB Quote ==> David Bryce Music • Funky Young Monks <== Professional Affiliations: Royer Labs • Music Player Network Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
o0Ampy0o Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 It just shows how good at singing Perry Arnel Pineda is. They exist fighting between one another today only because of Arnel. Arnel doesn’t need all their BS and rigorous singer unfriendly touring. He has made his mark and could have a solo career. He has had some down time to do non-Journey work proving how good he can sing outside that context. He must have caught the fame and stadium crowd adulation bug and they have him locked into a lucrative and restricted contract. Schon and Cain are both too extreme to continue on like this forever. Schon is crazy and he has a wife that exacerbates problems. There is no talking sense about it. Does anyone really care whether Cain is there playing keyboards? He was great at co-composing songs but he is not unique as a keyboardist. The single lifelong standing member who has had the distinct signature style, Schon, with the greatest Perry fill in one could hope for is all it takes to be Journey. Schon could cut Cain out. If he succeeded he would probably drive the band into the land of burned bridges and insurmountable debt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
o0Ampy0o Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 2 hours ago, Anderton said: They're blowing a fantastic opportunity. They have a chance to say "We're in total disagreement about politics, but music is our common ground. We hope that our music can provide a common ground for our fans, and prove there are at least some things we can all agree about." In other words, play up the political differences - to show that people with different ideologies don't have to see each other as enemies. The only problem, of course, is that all concerned would have to act like adults. I have several friends, both right and left-leaning, whose politics I disagree with. But the reality is that if any of us were stuck in a broken-down car on a highway at 3 AM, any one of us would go to help. And if any of us were invited to a barbeque, last time I checked, spare ribs don't have a political affiliation That would require a rational mind. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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