When a sampler is better

[The Real MC]

[Threadslayer]

You'd need a pretty awesome dynamic range to sample that little event

[David Emm]

54 minutes ago, Threadslayer said:

You'd need a pretty awesome dynamic range to sample that little event

 

Especially the part where the bat he killed falls into the tuba. 🦇💀

[ProfD]

The pictured approach is a great example of when keeping it real could go wrong. 😁

 

A sampler would be a much better choice. It could also be used to sub for sick tuba too.🤣😎

[KuruPrionz]

I made a convincing gun shot sound on a recording by slamming the hood of a car in a huge concrete parking garage. 

I had earplugs in and just used my little Tascam recorder. Don't even need a sampler for a gunshot sound and you really don't need a gun, blanks or not. 

 

That's just plain crazy.

[ksoper]

How does one write that into the score?  There are contemporary organ works that call for the musician to lay their forearms across the keyboards and the score is nothing but solid black bars.  Is the gauge of shotgun specified? Does red ink drip down the staves? Is the audience warned that their seat may be a target?  Is there a particular season when this piece may be performed?  Like, only during deer season which would vary from state to state? Is the instrumentalist permitted to field dress the audience member after the performance and employ a taxidermist for the mounting of the head?  I've got so many questions. 

 

 

[AUSSIEKEYS]

Ahhh the famous orchestrated version of 

 

Roy "C" Shotgun Wedding

 

 

[KuruPrionz]

3 minutes ago, AUSSIEKEYS said:

Ahhh the famous orchestrated version of 

 

Roy "C" Shotgun Wedding

 

 

That's funny, never heard it before. Love the Framus guitar at the bottom of the page too, I had something just about as ugly back in the day!

[AUSSIEKEYS]

2 minutes ago, KuruPrionz said:

 I had something just about as ugly back in the day!

 At first i thought you meant a shotgun wedding but it was the guitar hee hee

[stoken6]

4 hours ago, KuruPrionz said:

I made a convincing gun shot sound on a recording by slamming the hood of a car in a huge concrete parking garage. 

I had earplugs in and just used my little Tascam recorder. Don't even need a sampler for a gunshot sound and you really don't need a gun, blanks or not. 

 

That's just plain crazy.

I remember an amateur production of a musical I MDed many years ago. We tried a starting pistol (too loud) and sample playback (too quiet). Director turned to me and asked "what do you have for a gunshot?" I cued a rimshot from our drummer - problem solved. 

 

The thing is (in theat[re][er] at least) is that when the audience sees a gun, they expect it to fire. That expectation helps disguise any inaccuracy in the sound itself.

 

Cheers, Mike.

[Adam Burgess]

4 hours ago, stoken6 said:

I remember an amateur production of a musical I MDed many years ago. We tried a starting pistol (too loud) and sample playback (too quiet). Director turned to me and asked "what do you have for a gunshot?" I cued a rimshot from our drummer - problem solved. 

 

The thing is (in theat[re][er] at least) is that when the audience sees a gun, they expect it to fire. That expectation helps disguise any inaccuracy in the sound itself.

 

Cheers, Mike.

Correct in every way

 

[JamPro]

The image gives new meaning to the phrase "bangin' beats".

[KuruPrionz]

7 hours ago, stoken6 said:

I remember an amateur production of a musical I MDed many years ago. We tried a starting pistol (too loud) and sample playback (too quiet). Director turned to me and asked "what do you have for a gunshot?" I cued a rimshot from our drummer - problem solved. 

 

The thing is (in theat[re][er] at least) is that when the audience sees a gun, they expect it to fire. That expectation helps disguise any inaccuracy in the sound itself.

 

Cheers, Mike.

Exactly, very few people have actually heard a gun go off inside a theater, so give the actor an unloaded BB gun that looks like a real gun and time the whole thing. Audience sees the gun, hears the gun, no gun is fired. 

 

I owned a Daisy when I was a kid and it looked enough like a 1986 Winchester lever action to fool anyone. The hammer even cocked and released when the trigger was pulled, loaded or unloaded. 

 

More than one way to skin a cat and more than one cat needs skinning. 

[The Real MC]

1 hour ago, KuruPrionz said:

I owned a Daisy when I was a kid

 

[bjosko]

 

[skipeb3]

I really wanted one of those Daisy air rifles when I was a kid. And of course, Mom said no. She would say,”You won’t be happy until you put somebody’s eye out! “.

Well, I finally got that rifle. I shot it everywhere. I shot cars, trees, my dog, even my friends.

I never put anybody’s eye out.

 

But then again, I’ve never really been happy…

[mate stubb]

We used to have BB gun wars in our neighborhood. Most wore shades, nobody was blinded.

[Tom Williams]

Two relevant experiences, I think:

1. In college I was percussionist for a production of "You're a Good Man Charlie Brown."  When Snoopy fantasized taking on the Red Baron, gunshots were a series of snare rim shots.  It was written in the score.
2. When I was a kid we had a wonderful toy called a cap gun, basically a repeater pistol that "shot" a few mg of gunpowder sandwiched between two long strips of paper.    The sound was quite similar to an actual low caliber pistol.  Unfortunately (IMO) current culture has made those unfashionable. 

[The Real MC]

21 hours ago, matted stump said:

We used to have BB gun wars in our neighborhood. Most wore shades, nobody was blinded.

 <yorkshiremen> Oh, but we used to DREAM of having BB guns for our gun wars.  We had to throw pebbles from the ground. </yorkshiremen> 

[KuruPrionz]

2 hours ago, The Abominable MC said:

 <yorkshiremen> Oh, but we used to DREAM of having BB guns for our gun wars.  We had to throw pebbles from the ground. </yorkshiremen> 

We had no pebbles but we had some great dirt clod wars and also mud ball battles.

Plus baggies full of water. 

 

That was before we figured out how to shoplift, stole gunshells and made pipe bombs. I'm lucky I didn't blow my hands off!!!!!

[mate stubb]

I also had cowpie fights with my cousins, but that's sliding waayyy off topic.

[Ledbetter]

Geez, how do you think they used to play the 1812 Overture? Rimshots?

 

Also, if you’ve never owned or put anyone’s eye out with a BB gun, there’s still time . . . .

[skipeb3]

Wow... thanks, Led. There's still a chance for me...

[JB Sherry]

On 10/27/2022 at 11:30 PM, ksoper said:

How does one write that into the score?

 

I know you weren’t being serious, but it’s fun to see how Tchaikovsky did it (see attached):

 

Just noticed the Cannon entrance is marked quadrupal-forte. Good thinking there, otherwise the munitions specialist might bring a pianissimo cannon…

[Mills Dude]

15 hours ago, Ledbetter said:

Geez, how do you think they used to play the 1812 Overture? Rimshots?

 

Also, if you’ve never owned or put anyone’s eye out with a BB gun, there’s still time . . . .

Growing up not far from West Point, we'd go every few years to watch the West Point Band perform 1812 Overture with real cannons firing off into the Hudson.  Pretty f---in' loud.  

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