kaptainkeys Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 After doing much research on different keyboard options, a Casio PX5s and a Ferrofish B4000+ (both used) would cost me around the same as something like a Roland FA08 or a Kurzweil PC3x (also both used), and will give me a more compact setup with a dedicated clonewheel engine that sounds better than either the KB3 engine in the PC3 or the SuperNatural Organ in the FA, plus is will give me physical drawbar control. This setup also doesn't need mixer, since the PX5s has audio inputs, so my signal chain would be B4000+ -> PX5s -> Amplification/FOH. My only questions are: can I apply reverb to the B4000+ within the PX5s, and is the PX5s powerful enough as a synthesizer to play 80s tunes? Quote Instruments: Walters Grand Console Upright Piano circa 1950 something, Kurzweil PC4-88, Ibanez TMB-100 Studio Gear: Audient EVO16, JBL 305P MKII monitors, assorted microphones, Reaper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
counterpoint Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Can I apply reverb to the B4000+ within the PX5s? NO Is the PX5s powerful enough as a synthesizer to play 80s tunes? YES 37 minutes ago, GotKeys said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnotherScott Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 For synth sounds, keep in mind that the PX5S does not have a mono mode. All sounds are always polyphonic. At first I was also concerned about the lack of expression pedal on the PX-5S, which would be an organ limitation, but then realized the B4000+ has an expression pedal input of its own, so you'd be okay there. Quote Maybe this is the best place for a shameless plug! Our now not-so-new new video at https://youtu.be/3ZRC3b4p4EI is a 40 minute adaptation of T. S. Eliot's "Prufrock" - check it out! And hopefully I'll have something new here this year. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamanzarek Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 When buying a used PX-5S check the velocity response on the A# notes. There was a design flaw that caused many to have erratic behavior on A# notes usually on a lower A#. The PX-5S has been in production since at least 2013 and the price for a new one just went up by $100. Quote Gibson G101, Fender Rhodes Piano Bass, Vox Continental, RMI Electra-Piano and Harpsichord 300A, Hammond M102A, Hohner Combo Pianet, OB8, Matrix 12, Jupiter 6, Prophet 5 rev. 2, Pro-One, CS70M, CP35, PX-5S, WK-3800, Stage 3 Compact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElmerJFudd Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Same on the PX-560. The audio is internally wired directly to the Audio out. No opportunity to apply FX. Quote Yamaha CP88, Casio PX-560 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaptainkeys Posted March 10, 2022 Author Share Posted March 10, 2022 1 hour ago, counterpoint said: Can I apply reverb to the B4000+ within the PX5s? NO 6 minutes ago, ElmerJFudd said: Same on the PX-560. The audio is internally wired directly to the Audio out. No opportunity to apply FX. Shame, I guess if I go this route I'll have to run a reverb pedal between the Ferrofish and the PX5s. 22 minutes ago, Shamanzarek said: When buying a used PX-5S check the velocity response on the A# notes. There was a design flaw that caused many to have erratic behavior on A# notes usually on a lower A#. The PX-5S has been in production since at least 2013 and the price for a new one just went up by $100 I'll make sure to check this, is there any fix to the problem? 1 hour ago, AnotherScott said: At first I was also concerned about the lack of expression pedal on the PX-5S, which would be an organ limitation, but then realized the B4000+ has an expression pedal input of its own, so you'd be okay there Not to worried about that, though it would be nice to have an expression pedal on the PX5s in order to fade in layers. 1 hour ago, AnotherScott said: For synth sounds, keep in mind that the PX5S does not have a mono mode. All sounds are always polyphonic. I'm sure I can work around this limitation. Quote Instruments: Walters Grand Console Upright Piano circa 1950 something, Kurzweil PC4-88, Ibanez TMB-100 Studio Gear: Audient EVO16, JBL 305P MKII monitors, assorted microphones, Reaper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pa Gherkin Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Be aware that any the PX eq settings are also applied to anything fed to the audio inputs. Also, it's pretty easy to overdrive the PX audio ins. I tried a setup similar to what you described and abandoned the idea because of the aforementioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hookie Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 3 hours ago, Shamanzarek said: When buying a used PX-5S check the velocity response on the A# notes. There was a design flaw that caused many to have erratic behavior on A# notes usually on a lower A#. The PX-5S has been in production since at least 2013 and the price for a new one just went up by $100. I heard the Bb notes had the same problem. 🤭 1 Quote Yamaha C2, Yamaha MODX7, Hammond SK1, Hammond XK-5 Heritage Pro System, Korg Kronos 2 61, Yamaha CP4, Kurzweil PC4-7, Nord Stage 3 73, Nord Wave 2, QSC 8.2, Motion Sound KP 210S, Key Largo, etc…yeah I have too much… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delaware Dave Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 I'm not a big fan of the ferrofish, it's not a strong performer of the b3/leslie sound. instead i would look at either the viscount EXP or a mojo desktop. they are worth the extra $200 over the Fish... 1 Quote 57 Hammond B3; 69 Hammond L100P; 68 Leslie 122; Kurzweil Forte7 & PC3; M-Audio Code 61; Voce V5+; Neo Vent; EV ELX112P; GSI Gemini & Burn Delaware Dave Exit93band Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoken6 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 4 hours ago, Delaware Dave said: I'm not a big fan of the ferrofish, it's not a strong performer of the b3/leslie sound. instead i would look at either the viscount EXP or a mojo desktop. they are worth the extra $200 over the Fish... QFT. Note that both of Dave's suggestions also included dedicated expression pedal inputs, so the PX5s limitation here may not apply. Cheers, Mike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwave Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 On 3/10/2022 at 10:36 AM, GotKeys said: I'll make sure to check this, is there any fix to the problem? This sounds like the Casio PX-5S problem where a particular key (G#3 in my case) would start to sometimes generate an additional note-on with velocity 127 soon after the initial strike. There's no fix, but an effective workaround for me (and others in the PX-5S forum) was to set maximum velocity to 126 for that zone in any program where I needed to use that note. This eliminates the additional loud note without affecting the original note. This of course also filters out velocity 127 notes that you generate, but I don't hit the keyboard that hard so it's not a problem in practice. Quote Kurzweil PC4, Expressive E Osmose, UNO Synth Pro, Hammond B-3X on iPad, Rhodes Mark II Stage 73, ART 710-A MK4s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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