Mike Martin Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 16 minutes ago, miden said: What's the keyboard in front of Beato in that clip? Native Instruments Komplete Kontrol S88 MKII Quote -Mike Martin Casio Mike Martin Photography Instagram Facebook The Big Picture Photography Forum on Music Player Network The opinions I post here are my own and do not represent the company I work for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
analogika Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 4 hours ago, Mike Martin said: To my knowledge despite the Roland rig, everything is being run via MainStage. At least it was on their last tour a few years ago. MacBook running MainStage is clearly visible in the keys section several times in the Colbert video, as around 4 minutes in during the guitar solo. Quote "The Angels of Libra are in the European vanguard of the [retro soul] movement" (Bill Buckley, Soul and Jazz and Funk) The Drawbars | off jazz organ trio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Schmieder Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 I was a huge fan of TFF from the first album forward, before they were well-known in the USA, so it was a bit sad for me to hear such low-energy poorly-rendered versions of their songs, but I suppose I should be happy nonetheless that they got together to make a new album. Doubtless I will buy it, and I won't have to compare to old versions so I'll be able to appreciate whatever they have to bring to the table at this late stage in life. They were a huge influence on me, and to this day, on the rare occasions I am at a karaoke bar, I am more likely than not to pick a TFF song to sing. I also admired how they took Oleta Adams under their wing and helped get her career going, at a time when the American labels wouldn't sign anyone with dark skin unless they were a rap artist. Oleta wasn't the only one who had to go to the UK and Europe at that time. Sort of like jazz artists in the 60's/70's (to Europe or Africa). Quote Eugenio Upright, 60th Anniversary P-Bass, USA Geddy Lee J-Bass, Yamaha BBP35, D'angelico SS Bari, EXL1, Select Strat, 70th Anniversary Esquire, LP 57, Eastman T486, T64, Ibanez PM2, Hammond XK4, Moog Voyager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miden Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 2 hours ago, Mike Martin said: Native Instruments Komplete Kontrol S88 MKII Ahh, thanks Mike - did not recognise it at all -looked like it had a split screen which sorta threw me. Quote There is no luck - luck is simply the confluence of circumstance and co-incidence... Time is the final arbiter for all things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GovernorSilver Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 Doug Petty is apparently the keyboardist for both the Tipping Point studio sessions and the tour https://www.instagram.com/p/CaQL7JdPof2/ https://www.instagram.com/p/ByvL5wyAzFX/ https://www.instagram.com/p/BTkDEQEgqUP/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill W Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 I've always like this band and the new album is pretty decent. Quote Korg Kronos 61 (2); Kurzweil PC4, Roland Fantom-06, Casio PX-350M; 2015 Macbook Pro and 2012 Mac Mini (Logic Pro X and Mainstage), GigPerformer 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzpiano88 Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 To me, it sounded like Velveeta. But that's what processed performance is. If you want real cheese you have to deal with the oil. 1 Quote J a z z P i a n o 8 8 -- Yamaha C7D Montage8 | CP300 | CP4 | SK1-73 | OB6 | Seven K8.2 | 3300 | CPSv.3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zxcvbnm098 Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 Big fan here as well of this song, but my fave of theirs is their homage to the Beatles (it seems to me at least) "Sowing The Seeds Of Love". The original and new live version with orchestra... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliffk Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 Ah love me some TFF! As a singing teen who loved keys, I recall being weirdly taken by the charisma of the drummer in the original video - man, how he hit those cymbals on the syncopated accents. To this day, I struggle to play Songs from the Big Chair softly … so I don’t. 😬 Quote YouTube music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill W Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 Sowing the seeds of love is a masterpiece...definitely Beatles inspired. There is so much going on in this song. We just did a quarantine cover of it (in shameless plugs) and it took a lot of work...lol. Quote Korg Kronos 61 (2); Kurzweil PC4, Roland Fantom-06, Casio PX-350M; 2015 Macbook Pro and 2012 Mac Mini (Logic Pro X and Mainstage), GigPerformer 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stokely Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 Woman in Chains was my most-used reference track back when I aspired to be a recording engineer. Such a good mix and production. I remember playing "Standing on the corner of the 3rd world" for the (somewhat snobby) bass player in my band at the time. It completely turned his preconception of what TFF could do on its ear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABECK Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 On 3/5/2022 at 8:35 PM, ProfD said: Gearspotting....it looks like the KB player is using a Rhodes as a shell for a Roland RD-2000.🤭 😎 Looks like he's also got a Jupiter 80 and a Jupiter X. Although, I see mainstage running on a laptop as well - possibly for patch changes, but I wouldn't be surprised if all sounds are coming from that. Either way, the whole band sounds amazing. The Rick Beato analysis of the song is def worth a watch too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
o0Ampy0o Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 On 3/6/2022 at 7:22 AM, AnotherScott said: The singer's voice has changed so much! Honestly, I never really liked the character of his voice, but it was very much part of their "sound." His "new" voice is less distinctive, but I might prefer it. It's not a great voice, but it doesn't bug me. 😉 Plus the guitarist looks much better with the facial hair, for whatever that's worth. 😉 I noticed the differences in both vocalist’s. Roland the hairy dude has had the most strength in his voice. I think he has retained pitch precision (suspect a small amount of autotune on the new album on both singers) I think he sounds better nowadays however he may still or was still drinking during the period of a live show recorded in the last 15 years where he sounds and looks worse. Curt the guy who sings EWTRTW sounds weaker. He has lost the strength in his vocals although they are on key. The backup singer woman is layering over his vocals which makes up for some of it. They could have raised the volume on his mic. His voice sounds lower than hers in the mix. When I saw the more recent live performances I thought Curt almost sounded like a replacement. They both sound their contemporary best in the Spotify live show. Everything is done well, (i.e. sound, performances, styles,etc.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Schmieder Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 Yeah, that one's more like it, not trying to sound like the original. Even though I'm not a fan of transposition, it works in this context as the arrangement is different. Almost more Beatlesy in a way, but a bit less MMT era and maybe approaching more of a mid-70's Wings vibe. Songs from the first album probably are best left for others to cover at this point. "Seeds of Love" is probably my favorite TFF song overall. Quote Eugenio Upright, 60th Anniversary P-Bass, USA Geddy Lee J-Bass, Yamaha BBP35, D'angelico SS Bari, EXL1, Select Strat, 70th Anniversary Esquire, LP 57, Eastman T486, T64, Ibanez PM2, Hammond XK4, Moog Voyager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GovernorSilver Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 TFF was always a duo from what I gather, but it was generous of them to grant full member status to drummer Manny Elias and Ian Stanley - assuming those two guys got the typical benefits of full membership (revenue sharing/contractual stuff) - up until the Seeds of Love album. I just remembered this video in which the librarian has to duck to avoid a flying Jupiter 8, which stops in front of Ian so that he could play a one-finger synth solo Interesting how often Ian's name appears in this article. Says he convinced Orzabal that "Shout" would become a big hit. https://www.musicradar.com/news/tears-for-fears-best-tracks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliffk Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 Apart from the clear references to the Beatles’ psychedelic era, Seeds of Love has always reminded me of that other great 80s stream-of-consciousness smash by Peter Gabriel, Sledgehammer (pun just popped up! 😆). Wonder if STSOL was influenced by that at all, especially its video? Quote YouTube music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaptainkeys Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 1 hour ago, Cliffk said: Apart from the clear references to the Beatles’ psychedelic era, Seeds of Love has always reminded me of that other great 80s stream-of-consciousness smash by Peter Gabriel, Sledgehammer (pun just popped up! 😆). Wonder if STSOL was influenced by that at all, especially its video? Maybe both songs were engineered or produced by the same people? In addition, it's widely known that Peter Gabriel and TFF had Fairlight CMIs and used a lot of Fairlight sounds, so maybe that is why they sound so similar? (Just a theory) Quote Instruments: Walters Grand Console Upright Piano circa 1950 something, Kurzweil PC4-88, my voice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABECK Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 Everybody Loves a Happy Ending seems to be one of those amazing albums that nobody ever talks about! I think it was very much under the radar, but embodies some of their finest writing and production. (Arguably their heaviest Beatles influenced album) Clonk (How on earth does one embed a vid on this new platform???) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nursers Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 2 hours ago, GotKeys said: Maybe both songs were engineered or produced by the same people? In addition, it's widely known that Peter Gabriel and TFF had Fairlight CMIs and used a lot of Fairlight sounds, so maybe that is why they sound so similar? (Just a theory) You are spot on. I was commissioned to write a piece for Keyboard magazine years ago, covering the 20th anniversary of the Fairlight. Two key contacts were Orzabal and Gabriel - sadly didn't manage to snag an interview with either for the article (which is in the archives here) 2 Quote The Keyboard Chronicles Podcast Check out your fellow forumites in an Apple Music playlist Check out your fellow forumites in a Spotify playlist My Music: Stainless Fields Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hipogrito Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 It sounds amazing. Thanks for sharing that link. They have great songs. One thing that I wonder is if they recorded this in the afternoon that day, as I believe that programs does, how many hours may have an engineer had to work on a this mix so that it sounds so good? I bet they don't leave the audio "as is" and they mix it during those hours but I might be wrong and it might directly sound this perfect. But If they have a guy doing that, it must be a pretty stressful job to do, as you have, say 4 hours, to mix and make it sound the best as possible, knowing there is no possible delay. Anybody knows how do they do those things on this kind of program? Fran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conundrum Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 15 hours ago, GovernorSilver said: I just remembered this video in which the librarian has to duck to avoid a flying Jupiter 8, which stops in front of Ian so that he could play a one-finger synth solo I saw/took that as the librarian taking the synth out from the bottom shelf, to place in front of Ian to play, as if it were a book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GovernorSilver Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 41 minutes ago, conundrum said: I saw/took that as the librarian taking the synth out from the bottom shelf, to place in front of Ian to play, as if it were a book. But the Jupiter 8 flew pretty quickly over her head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conundrum Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 You’re right, never even noticed that. That was my take on it though. Cheesy 80s special effects I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theo Verelst Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 The first video sounded nice, one of the few YT's of something good having a Rock full range sound and something done so that the sound is acceptable. T 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GovernorSilver Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Youtube recommended this to me. Kid appears to have inherited Dad's talent 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motif88 Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 RE: Rick Beato clip - Native Instruments Komplete Kontrol S88 https://www.native-instruments.com/en/products/komplete/keyboards/komplete-kontrol-s88/ Quote Using: Yamaha: Montage M8x| Spectrasonics: Omnisphere, Keyscape | uhe: Diva, Hive2, Zebra2| Roland: Cloud Pro | Arturia: V Collection | NI: Komplete 14 | VPS: Avenger | Cherry: GX80 | G-Force: OB-E | Korg: Triton, MS-20 Sold/Traded: Yamaha: Motif XS8, Motif ES8, Motif8, KX-88, TX7 | ASM: Hydrasynth Deluxe| Roland: RD-2000, D50, MKS-20| Korg: Kronos 88, T3, MS-20 | Oberheim: OB8, OBXa, Modular 8 Voice | Rhodes: Dyno-My-Piano| Crumar: T2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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