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I have my own theories..

 

Tickets are very pricey.

 

The T-Shirts Suck

 

The music is not good enough to make me want to drive to DTE Energy Freaking Music Theater, get raped on every single thing I purchase.

 

Many times now, unless I can see someone cool in a med to small place, I pass and buy a couple of their CD's or DVD.

 

Whaddya think?

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Let's not forget that for your hard earned $$$ you often have to experience of seeing and listening to drunk a$$holes rather than the artist and music onstage. :mad:

 

I'm much happier enjoying the concert from a house spot, truss spot, or backstage than in the seats. Unless it's someplace like the Ryman Auditorium, a fantastic venue with loads of musical (and non-musical) history that won't put up with crap from unruly patrons. :thu:

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DTE Energy Freaking Music Theater
Lol. Ever since they changed the name to DTE that place has gotten worse and worse. Last year Iggy Pop, Allman Bro's and Roxy Music were cool, but where's all the good Pine Knob shows.

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The prices are truly rediculous for everything. At the recent VH concert at Continental arena: $15 parking, $100 tickets ($70 minimum), $7 beer, $50 T-shirts..... from what I understand the concert was good - but what if it wasn't? If I dumped all that $ for a garbage show I would be extremely upset - which is exactly why I don't go. I'd rather buy the CD, DVD, and whatever and be happy as a clam watching it at home....

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The whole music business was taken over by corporate hacks a long time ago. They're continually testing the market to see how badly they can screw people over before they notice it.

 

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Well music used to be priced so anyone could attend, I've got a scrapbook/photo album with tons of ticket stubs with a $5 price tag on them....we're talking big acts too. Kids could afford to go to any concert they wanted back then, now they honestly can't, unless they are still on momma's tit. :)
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Yeah...forget about going to a Clear Channel show. They're responsible for most of the gouging.

 

It's tough to part with the cash these days. If you commute to work you're probably losing a chunk to gas prices...and if you have kids you gotta cover a babysitter. Yow.

 

I went to the local House of Blues to see a show recently, and while the ticket prices were reasonable it was a standing-only room. Ugh.

 

And all the other smaller rooms with seating want you to buy dinner and sit 90 degrees to the stage so you're guaranteed to have a stiff neck the next day.

 

Damn I complain a lot. Where can I order the concert DVD?

 

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Anyone care to contribute what the TOTAL cost is to produce a show with one (non local) act in a 17,500 seat indoor/outdoor venue?

 

Expenses:

Insurance

Sound, lights, backline

security

hotels/transportation

venue staff

talent (no laughing!)

venue

police overtime

permits

EMS/fire overtime

 

Income sources:

tickets

food & beverages

memorabilia

parking

rebroadcast rights

sponsorship

 

Any ideas on the total cost - without a fireworks/pyro side show?

 

Notice that "promotion" was not included as an expense.

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Hmmmmm, total cost? :rolleyes:

 

I'm more interested in the PROFIT MARGIN because SOMEBODY'S eating waaaay too much caviar and drinking waaaay too much high-dollar champagne! :D This summer's lack of attendance proves it!

 

It's time for ticket prices to realign with reality. I'm not against everyone involved in putting on the show making a profit - that's the whole reason to be in business. But, as anyone can attest, ticket prices are so high the general concert-attending public feels like we're being taken for a ride.

 

I could be wrong, but I don't think so. There are lots of folks here from the industry. Guys (and Gals), can you help me out here? Am I mistaken?

 

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The saddest part, of course, is they'll blame it all on "file-sharing".

 

In the past, they managed to promote reasonably-priced concerts even as everyone involved made money. If you charge $20 admission for a 17.5K theater, a half-full venue grosses $35,000. If you charge $50/tix you gross $87,500. If everyone buys just one bottle of water there's another $8,750. Add beer, food, tshirts & other stuff.... there's no reason a good band can't generate close to $100K gross at say $25 per ticket.

 

But if you bump that ticket price to $75, suddenly half your audience can no longer reasonably afford to attend. In addition to the lost gate, now you also lose all the refreshment & merchandise sales. 4000 people in a 17.5k arena just doesn't work.

 

A reasonable question: How many acts are pricing themselves into failure?

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Pure capitalism.

 

Higher prices would suggest greater demand for tix, for those shows that sell out. I don't consider anything "price gouging" unless you over-price a necessity (e.g., medicine, residential electricity, water at a 3-day concert).

 

If a band is concerned that their shows are filled wiht people with money rather than fans, they have every right to do ala Pearl Jam in the 90s and find alternative venues (however easier said than done...).

 

When the price is high and the arena is half-filled, it suggests incompetency on the part of those setting prices.

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I don't want to be redundant, but I don't think you can say this too much: THE TICKET PRICES ARE TOO FREAKIN' HIGH! Thank God that the majority of my favorite bands (such as Los Lobos, the Iguanas, the Paladins, and other roots/blues acts) don't play huge stadiums and charge $75 plus for admission. I don't think I could name five artists/groups that I would spend that kind of money to see.

 

The thing is, it wasn't that long ago that $25-35 was the norm for a stadium-type show and I don't know how, in good conscience, they can justify a three to four hundred percent increase over a 15-year span. Who do they think they are, the oil industry?

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Not all the riders I saw at Smoking Gun were unreasonable. Jeff Beck's seems about reasonable to me. I wouldn't do the ash trays, though. If you wanna smoke, take it outside! If it's raining, then tough S***, man. :)

 

That def leppard one is just INSANE. Can they expect this everywhere they go? How about just sending a few folks to the nearest grocery before the show? Hmm... :rolleyes:

 

Gotta love the U2 rider. Drinkin' heaven. :D

 

The George Carlin rider's interesting... I thought he railed against government and corporations. Hmmm. Do I smell hypocrisy in the air?

 

The only thing I'd really ask for is a fast internet connection, aside from a simple deli tray, and reasonably good drinks (no alcohol until the end of the tour for me, thanks, or keep that to the mini bar in the hotel room), should I choose to use it. That's it. If my fingers were up to it after a gig, I could post a quick update to my band web site via laptop. The video games can stay in my tour bus, thank you. I don't play with skanky ho b**ch groupies. ;)

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Originally posted by NYC Drew:

Anyone care to contribute what the TOTAL cost is to produce a show with one (non local) act in a 17,500 seat indoor/outdoor venue?

 

Expenses:

Insurance

Sound, lights, backline

security

hotels/transportation

venue staff

talent (no laughing!)

venue

police overtime

permits

EMS/fire overtime

 

Income sources:

tickets

food & beverages

memorabilia

parking

rebroadcast rights

sponsorship

 

Any ideas on the total cost - without a fireworks/pyro side show?

 

Notice that "promotion" was not included as an expense.

The thing is Drew, and I understand your point, but I kind of don't give a rat's ass how much it costs for EVH to drag his ass and rig around the country. If I could see Van Halen for $25 bucks, buy a 16 oz glass of beer or pop for under 2 bucks, and get a t-shirt that was not sized for little people ( I am 6'1" 240) and turned into a halter top after one wash, I'd be there. I don't care where the money goes if not to the artist. And, if the artist is already loaded, I still think the shows should be more reasonable. TicketBastards are the root of evil to me, but I digress. It is too expensive to see music live for national touring acts. I'd rather go see bands/artists in smaller places.

 

This summer tours cancellations will hopefully rattle the industry and change things up so next summer we will not have the problem....but I doubt it.

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Remembering when McCartney came through on his last tour; I was checking prices for a friend of mine at work. Long before the tickets were announced for sale, the news had flooded the streets that McCartney would be coming to nearby cities. I think the minimum price per ticket was at $85.00 for nosebleed seating and the top prices were somewhere around $250.00, if memory serves me correctly.

 

The seats were sold out within moments of sales opening up. Simultaneously with the seats selling out through ticket outlets like Ticketmaster and other legitimate agencies, there were tickets becoming available through SCALPER sites for ungodly amounts. Just for sheer interest in seeing how high the tickets would go for, I followed some of the "Buy McCartney tickets here" links... the highest price I seen was set at $2,800 per seat and that was in the Washington, D.C. area.

 

You know that McCartney didn't see any of those profits. I'd like to see a stop put on ticket scalping, and with today's modern technology, you'd think that places like Ticketmaster could put a tracking code to ensure LIMITS on ordering. I'm sure though, where technology helps to protect, others are capable of writing the code to override that protective code. It's a no win situation because scalpers always seem to find a market.... it'd be nice to see a bunch of them get hung with their loot.

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...and another thing...

 

At one time, people paid to go see a band of talented musicians perform. The band brought in their gear, some lighting effects, and a handful crew of technicians to run sound and lights. Of course they had their roadies, event security, and other bodies employed; but in today's "concerts" they think that they have got to put on a full blown stage production with all the extra props and stagecraft personnel...

 

They present full theatrical productions that require tons of extra bodies to put up and tear down scenes, move props in and out. Wardrobe and make-up artists are kept in the wings to assist artists in costume changes, and etc. There are extras (as in dancers), the engineers to "ENHANCE" sound quality... for lip sync performers :rolleyes: , and you name it!!! They have brought Hollywood to the Arenas, Ampitheaters, and Venues. Preprogrammed bullship that can be bought on their CD's that has no room for error or improvisation whatsoever.

 

What happened to good ole' Rock n' Roll where the band got up on stage and stole the audience with some good old fashioned JAMS.... and maybe some cool lighting effects? Those lighting effects don't have to be equivalent to the Golden Gate Bridge in metal content like the rigs that Justin Timberlake and others sport; especially not if the band is any good. I go to listen to the "LIVE" music and I don't want to hear prerecorded music with a bunch of dancers lip synching the words...... give me the grind, and the sweat, and the vocal bloops, and REALITY in music performance. I wouldn't pay a dime to go see some of the hottest acts on the charts.

 

If I wanted to watch a theatrical performance, I'd go to the Waldo Astoria.... or Starlight Theater and watch some talented actors perform Phantom of the Opera or something like that. :eek:

 

Bring back the crude and unrefined nature of live music and THAT is what I will pay to go see. Of course, I can find that at some of the open air acts and festivals that take place around the Midwest without breaking the bank to find quality entertainment.

 

Tedster, you should get PhD registered with KCP&L to see if you can get in their line-up of performers. They promote several acts around these parts; including the lighting of the Plaza.

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Peopla are getting wise. Folks are not going to pay outraegeous prices for tickets, parking, crowds and poorly produced shows to hear some of these people sing to tracks from a CD that you have at home?

 

Today's mega concerts lack real live musicianship-warts and all. I do not want to go see what I hear at home or in my car. I'd much rather go to a small, limited seat local venue to catch someone or a group that can actually play an instrument and/or sing with live musicians.

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Originally posted by Ani:

I'm sure though, where technology helps to protect, others are capable of writing the code to override that protective code. It's a no win situation because scalpers always seem to find a market.... it'd be nice to see a bunch of them get hung with their loot.

Oh the irony. Is it me? Anyone? Anyone out there? I love it.
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Originally posted by Ani:

What happened to good ole' Rock n' Roll where the band got up on stage and stole the audience with some good old fashioned JAMS.... and maybe some cool lighting effects?

There's a band called Jet you could go see. I don't know what their lighting situation is, but they are good ole Rock n Roll. I think there is probably lots of other rock n roll bands, too. It's not all lip syncers.

 

And I don't think there all as expensive as McCartney. It cost around $6.00 to see The Beatles in 1965, so that's what now with the cost of living? $35? I think Jet is less than that, aren't they Cowbell Allen?

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I can't imagine anyone paying $2,800 to go see McCartney. However, I did notice that the tickets going in that price range just so happened to be in Washington, D.C. Probably some politicians that channeled tax payer dollars into an entertainment fund to help pad his buddies illegal ticket gouging....

 

I didn't say that!!!!

 

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Originally posted by Ani:

Probably some politicians that channeled tax payer dollars into an entertainment fund to help pad his buddies illegal ticket gouging....

 

Well, if that were true, they're probably just trying to get a leg up anyway they can. You can't really fault them for that, can you?
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Originally posted by Ani:

What happened to good ole' Rock n' Roll where the band got up on stage and stole the audience with some good old fashioned JAMS....

 

Bring back the crude and unrefined nature of live music and THAT is what I will pay to go see.

Check into the Little Steven's Underground Garage Festival... this is the thing we're trying to get in on... here's the lineup:

 

Iggy Pop & The Stooges

The Strokes

The New York Dolls

The Romantics

The Raveonettes

The Pretty Things

The Moonie Suzuki

The Electric Prunes

The Fonda's

Bo Diddley

The Cynics

The Chains

The Singles

The Stems

The Woggles

The Chesterfield Kings

The Paybacks

Boss Martians

The Chains

The Forty-Fives

The Shazam

The Cocktail Slippers

The Star Spangles

The Charms

The Fuzztones

The High Dials

The Contrast

The Flaming Sideburns

 

Probably more to be added. All for 20 bucks! :eek: Steven is trying to singlehandedly bring back real rock'n'roll! If you haven't heard many of these bands... I've heard most of them and they're awesome. The Forty Fives and the Woggles are local Atlanta bands, friends of ours, and they put on an amazing show. The Shazam are great too, we did our CD release party with them last year. The High Dials are killer, the Cynics... I could go on.

 

Anyhow, maybe you can't make it to New York for this thing, but definitely go to the Little Steven\'s Underground Garage web site, listen to the radio show (you can hear it online as well as probably "live" on the radio - check the affiliates listing), and also check the "Band Calendar" to see if any of the bands he supports are on tour in your city.

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