CEB Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 It 3:30 am. I can"t sleep. I put a PC4 in my cart. I can"t find pedal specs. Does Kurz still use those 10k pedals? .... or can I configure the thing to take my Yamaha FC7 pedals? Thanks Quote "It doesn't have to be difficult to be cool" - Mitch Towne "A great musician can bring tears to your eyes!!! So can a auto Mechanic." - Stokes Hunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griswold Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 I hear you - I can't sleep either. Maybe because I slept through a really bad movie earlier. I have a Forte & PC3 both of which use the same CC pedals and I can tell you that the FC7 does not work well. I even tried with the adapter that is supposed to work, but that messes up the response curve of the FC7. I currently use the Roland EV-5 pedals & couldn't be happier.... well I'm sure something could make me happier. Quote Kurzweil Forte 7, PC3, PC4, Hydrasynth, Kronos 61, UltraNova, Rhodes, Clavinet D6, MiniMoog, GSI Burn, ELX112Ps, SpaceStation, Assorted Weapons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEB Posted November 28, 2020 Author Share Posted November 28, 2020 Thanks. I"ll look for an EV5. Quote "It doesn't have to be difficult to be cool" - Mitch Towne "A great musician can bring tears to your eyes!!! So can a auto Mechanic." - Stokes Hunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markyboard Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 I hear you - I can't sleep either. Maybe because I slept through a really bad movie earlier. I have a Forte & PC3 both of which use the same CC pedals and I can tell you that the FC7 does not work well. I even tried with the adapter that is supposed to work, but that messes up the response curve of the FC7. I currently use the Roland EV-5 pedals & couldn't be happier.... well I'm sure something could make me happier. What do you mean when you say it messes up the response curve? I"ve been using a FC7 with my PC3x rewired as a Roland type pedal, i.e. wiper to tip (same as using an adapter) for years and it is perfectly linear over the entire throw of the pedal range- no dead space at all. I even have Dave Doerfler as a witness. I"m using the built in midi utility to monitor the response but maybe you (and others) are going by what you hear in a particular program? It makes no sense that mine works fine and your"s doesn"t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Coda Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 What Kurz sells fits ... "Kurzweil" re-branded Fatar pedals. 10K lin. You can buy ´em much cheaper as "Studiologic" VP/25 or Fatar brand. Roland EV-5 works because it´s 10K lin too. A.C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEB Posted November 28, 2020 Author Share Posted November 28, 2020 Thanks! Quote "It doesn't have to be difficult to be cool" - Mitch Towne "A great musician can bring tears to your eyes!!! So can a auto Mechanic." - Stokes Hunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonglow Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 It 3:30 am. I can"t sleep. I put a PC4 in my cart. Can"t sleep either, will have to give that a whirl. Quote "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing." - George Bernard Shaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delaware Dave Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 What do you mean when you say it messes up the response curve? I"ve been using a FC7 with my PC3x rewired as a Roland type pedal, i.e. wiper to tip (same as using an adapter) for years and it is perfectly linear over the entire throw of the pedal range- no dead space at all. I even have Dave Doerfler as a witness. I'm using the built in midi utility to monitor the response but maybe you (and others) are going by what you hear in a particular program? It makes no sense that mine works fine and your"s doesn"t. Agree with Marky. Although Kurz uses Roland specs (tip to wiper) I used an FC-7 with the ashby adapter and got a linear response as validated by "midiscope" (built in midi analyzer on the Kurz). I now use a Roland EV-7 which has a similar long sweep like the FC-7. I'd never us an EV-5 as the throw is too short for organ playing. Also as a footnote if you go to the pedals page inside the program or multi you can adjust the curve response of the expression pedal to your liking. The Kurz is a kick ass midi controller. While you're waiting for the arrival of your k/b you might want to download the manual. VAST architecture is very deep and it took awhile for me to wrap my head around it. You can program the PC4 to do almost anything but you have to understand how VAST works in order for that to happen. It's not intuitive. Probably why the owners manual is 356 pages. The PC3 was 418 pages so there is actually less reading than I had to do. https://kurzweil.com/pc4/#downloads Quote 57 Hammond B3; 69 Hammond L100P; 68 Leslie 122; Kurzweil Forte7 & PC3; M-Audio Code 61; Voce V5+; Neo Vent; EV ELX112P; GSI Gemini & Burn Delaware Dave Exit93band Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marczellm Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 I use a Boss FV-500L although haven't tried it for Kurz. I have a feeling it should work as well as the abovementioned Rolands. Quote Life is subtractive.Genres: Jazz, funk, pop, Christian worship, BebHop Wishlist: 80s-ish (synth)pop, symph pop, prog rock, fusion, musical theatre Gear: NS2 + JUNO-G. KingKORG. SP6 at church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markyboard Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 I use a Boss FV-500L although haven't tried it for Kurz. I have a feeling it should work as well as the abovementioned Rolands. It does. But there's a bit of dead space at the bottom of the throw and even more at the top (pedal to the metal) end. Each FV-500L may behave somewhat differently in this regard. The Kurz is a kick ass midi controller. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miden Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 The Studiologic model mentioned above does not work with the PC4 - well it works, but jumps from 0-127 in about the first inch of travel! You can do work-arounds using FUN, but both the Boss FV 50/500L, and the Roland Ev-5 do work as expected O.O.T.B. Quote There is no luck - luck is simply the confluence of circumstance and co-incidence... Time is the final arbiter for all things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griswold Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 Dave Weiser turned me onto the FV-500L years ago as they were using that on the Broadway shows. I had several of them and they were very sturdy but pretty heavy for lugging around to gigs with all of the other stuff I need to carry. Quote Kurzweil Forte 7, PC3, PC4, Hydrasynth, Kronos 61, UltraNova, Rhodes, Clavinet D6, MiniMoog, GSI Burn, ELX112Ps, SpaceStation, Assorted Weapons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miden Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 Dave Weiser turned me onto the FV-500L years ago as they were using that on the Broadway shows. I had several of them and they were very sturdy but pretty heavy for lugging around to gigs with all of the other stuff I need to carry. You did note that I included the "50" as well as the 500 Only difference is 50 is plastic construction 500 is metal Quote There is no luck - luck is simply the confluence of circumstance and co-incidence... Time is the final arbiter for all things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty Motif Max Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 I use a Moog EP-3 with my PC3. I'm used to the FC7s from my Yamaha boards and Korg (works with both), but the EP-3 is nice, light, and not super flimsy. It has a shorter travel than the FC7 but most other pedals do. I find I can adapt to it just fine. It works great with my PC3 (and Roland gear as well), and it can be polarity-flipped to work with other boards, so it's my recommendation. Quote Yamaha: Motif XF8, MODX7, YS200, CVP-305, CLP-130, YPG-235, PSR-295, PSS-470 | Roland: Fantom 7, JV-1000 Kurzweil: PC3-76| Hammond: SK Pro 73 | Korg: Triton LE 76, N1R, X5DR | Emu: Proteus/1 | Casio: CT-370 | Novation: Launchkey 37 MK3 | Technics: WSA1R Former: Emu Proformance Plus & Mo'Phatt, Korg Krome 61, Roland Fantom XR & JV-1010, Yamaha MX61, Behringer CAT, Kurzweil PC4 (88) Assorted electric & acoustic guitars and electric basses | Roland TD-17 KVX | Alesis SamplePad Pro | Assorted organs, accordions, other instruments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Nightime Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 I tried to use my FC7 on the PC4. All the change came it the first inch or so of travel. Useless So I bought a Kurzweil pedal. Works great Yes, it is 10K Quote "In the beginning, Adam had the blues, 'cause he was lonesome. So God helped him and created woman. Now everybody's got the blues." Willie Dixon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Coda Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 The Studiologic model mentioned above does not work with the PC4 - well it works, but jumps from 0-127 in about the first inch of travel! You can do work-arounds using FUN, but both the Boss FV 50/500L, and the Roland Ev-5 do work as expected O.O.T.B. I own 2 of the "Studiologic" branded Fatar VP/25 pedals and they work like a charme w/ my PC361 and without urgently tweakin´ FUNs. The "Studiologic" label is on the bottom only and it´s 100% identical w/ Kurzweil CC-1. BUT,- you can buy these pedals w/ different polarities,- "open-close" or vice versa,- at least from Fatar. I cannot imagine Kurzweil still sells the CC_1 and changed specs. Well, I bought from Thomann many years ago and it would be a shame when built quality changed that much. A.C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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