digibird Posted May 12, 2004 Share Posted May 12, 2004 Perhaps you, too, have noticed something that over the past six months or so I have found increasingly annoying. Not just here, everywhere, in print and spoken. Someone will make a point with a few sentences or remarks, pause (or start a new paragraph) and continue with "That said..." or "That having been said..." or the equivalent. OF COURSE that was just said! There is no need to point out that something was said. Just please continue without it. This habit is spreading like a virus. The use of this phrase is pointles and irritating. Although it's a different form of language abuse ,it's still as bad as "At this point in time" instead of "now". I hate that, too. Are there other phrases like these that make you want to scream? Thanks for allowing me to vent and please join me in my universal plea: "That said.." No More. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kylen Posted May 12, 2004 Share Posted May 12, 2004 hehe, That having been said = but long form for use by the literary amongst us ! That having been said I will retire for the evening with a bottle of brandy (or a Rolling Rock, hehe) and the 'Master and Commander' DVD - take me away from all of this madness ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alndln Posted May 12, 2004 Share Posted May 12, 2004 http://www.tvlinksonline.com/photopost/data/743/3tonyrandall2.jpg "A Robot Playing Trumpet Blows" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Flier Posted May 12, 2004 Share Posted May 12, 2004 Hmm. Coincidentally, I just used "that said" in another post. I haven't noticed it being used any more in the past six months than before, really. I've always heard it in use quite often. Usually, it's used when you are aware that you're about to say something that might appear to be contradictory, e.g.: I think smoking pot is wrong, and I don't smoke it. That having been said, I am in favor of legalizing pot. The reason for adding "That having been said" is because a lot of people will have a knee jerk reaction if you say something like "I'm in favor of legalizing pot," such as "Are you crazy? You hippie leftist pinko, you've probably smoked so much pot your brain has rotted!" And then you have to say, "Look bozo, I JUST SAID I don't smoke pot and I don't approve of it!" If the usage of this phrase HAS risen of late, it's probably due to a higher percentage of people who aren't paying attention to what you're actually saying, but have preconceived ideas that everything has to fit into, so they only go looking for catch phrases that they have predetermined responses to. The phrase may be annoying to you, but not half as annoying as people who respond to something without paying attention. That having been said, I will keep in mind that the phrase is annoying to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Klopmeyer Posted May 12, 2004 Share Posted May 12, 2004 Yeah, I like, um, write for a living and stuff, actually. Not that all we people who get paid to write are perfect at our craft, no. That said, allow me to point out that while this may be your personal pet peeve, it's perfectly acceptable use of language for the reasons Lee pointed out. You may want to look into altenatives such as "nevertheless", the more wordy yet accurate "in spite of the above", or the simple and direct "however". - Jeff Marketing Communications for MI/Pro Audio My solo music and stuff They Stole My Crayon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digibird Posted May 12, 2004 Author Share Posted May 12, 2004 I understand the intended use of the phrase. My complaint lies in its misuse and overuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan South Posted May 12, 2004 Share Posted May 12, 2004 The phrase doesn't indicate that something has been said. It's a seque to another idea that contradicts the first one in some way. "That said, ..." is a substitute for "Despite that, ..." I understand your point. If a phrase is repeated to the point of being a cliché, it can be annoying, or at least distracting. That said, I LIKE the phrase and shall continue to use it. The Black Knight always triumphs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffbayson Posted May 12, 2004 Share Posted May 12, 2004 Carte Blanche! Ya!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alndln Posted May 12, 2004 Share Posted May 12, 2004 Originally posted by Dan South: That said, I LIKE the phrase and shall continue to use it.http://www.moviestar-photos.com/graphics/234/234125.jpg "A Robot Playing Trumpet Blows" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polyt Posted May 12, 2004 Share Posted May 12, 2004 I feel the same way about "what not." What the hell is that supposed to mean? At least "that said" is still classified as English. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djwayne Posted May 12, 2004 Share Posted May 12, 2004 People who say "Me Thinks", annoys the hell out of me. Living' in the shadow, of someone else's dream.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wewus432 Posted May 12, 2004 Share Posted May 12, 2004 Originally posted by djwayne: People who say "Me Thinks", annoys the hell out of me.Me thinks you protest too much. [Edited to fit within the moral constraints imposed by society] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiveMusic Posted May 12, 2004 Share Posted May 12, 2004 I butcher the language pretty bad. But I do not say "kindly." It's kindly like this. Or kindly like that. Ooh, that makes my skin crawl. I thought one of my friends was the only guy on planet earth that says this all the time but, recently, I heard another guy saying it. > > > [ Live! ] < < < Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunkman Posted May 12, 2004 Share Posted May 12, 2004 My pet peeve is more common in broadcast commercials, and is the redundant phrase: "located at." For example, "Joe's Garage, located at 8th & Broadway..." Just say, "at!" "If more of us valued food, cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world." - J. R. R. Tolkien Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Wilburn Posted May 12, 2004 Share Posted May 12, 2004 A woman here at work insists on saying "Thank you muchly!" I have so far restrained myself from explaining that the word much is not eligible for adverb status, and that if she needs such a grammatical construction, an actual word can be provided. Four String Riot the myspaces, we hates it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barandine Vondenger Posted May 12, 2004 Share Posted May 12, 2004 I looked up CRIMINALLY ANAL with my new online dictionary and it keeps giving me a link to this THREAD.. ahahahaha! Frank Ranklin and the Ranktones WARP SPEED ONLY STREAM FRANKIE RANKLIN (Stanky Franks) <<< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barandine Vondenger Posted May 12, 2004 Share Posted May 12, 2004 Originally posted by Alndlnbot: Originally posted by Dan South: That said, I LIKE the phrase and shall continue to use it.http://www.moviestar-photos.com/graphics/234/234125.jpgNOW ME! ME next! Frank Ranklin and the Ranktones WARP SPEED ONLY STREAM FRANKIE RANKLIN (Stanky Franks) <<< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henryrobinett Posted May 12, 2004 Share Posted May 12, 2004 I hate the word "irregardless". Don't hear that too much any more. Until recently you wouldn't find it in a dictionary because it wasn't considered a word. "Regardless" is the proper word. Kind of double negativeville. Another one is "reoccur". It's "recur". Drives me batty. All the best, Henry Robinett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philbo_Tangent Posted May 12, 2004 Share Posted May 12, 2004 I hate it when innocent words are turned into verbs against their will: Like 'visioning' or 'repurposing' It's all corporate-speak which has no real meaning; the purpose of which is to make the writer sound (falsely) like he is more than an idiot with a college degree. That said... (just kidding) Phil Tangent Studios http://artists.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/Tangent2/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guitar Geezer Posted May 12, 2004 Share Posted May 12, 2004 Originally posted by philbo_Tangent: I hate it when innocent words are turned into verbs against their will: Like 'visioning' or 'repurposing' It's all corporate-speak which has no real meaning; the purpose of which is to make the writer sound (falsely) like he is more than an idiot with a college degree. That said... (just kidding)Wow...that reply was way outside the box "What color is your paradigm?" OK...I'll stop Lynn G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Klopmeyer Posted May 12, 2004 Share Posted May 12, 2004 Originally posted by henryrobinett: I hate the word "irregardless".It's not a word. Not at all. In fact, it's reached joke status... a cliche for people who have no mastery of the language. - Jeff Marketing Communications for MI/Pro Audio My solo music and stuff They Stole My Crayon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kylen Posted May 12, 2004 Share Posted May 12, 2004 Owners of words and languages unite here ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henryrobinett Posted May 12, 2004 Share Posted May 12, 2004 Originally posted by Jeff Da Weasel: Originally posted by henryrobinett: I hate the word "irregardless".It's not a word. Not at all. In fact, it's reached joke status... a cliche for people who have no mastery of the language. - JeffIt's weird though. I just found it in a dictionary. I guess usage has turned it into a word, or at least enough to worthy mention. This is more than I used to find when proving to peole years ago that is was not a word. irregardless adv : in spite of everything; without regard to drawbacks; "he carried on regardless of the difficulties" [syn: regardless, irrespective, disregardless, no matter, disregarding] is a word that many mistakenly believe to be correct usage in formal style, when in fact it is used chiefly in nonstandard speech or casual writing. Coined in the United States in the early 20th century, it has met with a blizzard of condemnation for being an improper yoking of irrespective and regardless and for the logical absurdity of combining the negative ir- prefix and -less suffix in a single term. Although one might reasonably argue that it is no different from words with redundant affixes like debone and unravel, it has been considered a blunder for decades and will probably continue to be so. All the best, Henry Robinett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F7sound - Posted May 12, 2004 Share Posted May 12, 2004 Interesting thread. I find it lively, informative, and acute. That said, I have no other purpose, myself for posting here. Heretofore, I shall find some other reasonable means for entertaining myself in the future. [editied because TheWewus would want it that way] Michael Oster F7 Sound and Vision ReGurgiTron - I approved this message. Michael Oster F7 Sound and Vision http://www.F7sound.com http://www.regurgitron.com http://www.LaptopNoise.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffbayson Posted May 12, 2004 Share Posted May 12, 2004 Anyways... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henryrobinett Posted May 12, 2004 Share Posted May 12, 2004 I seen it. I knowed it. Acksed. And my young son says "Er . . ." I've actually never knowed anyone who actually said "er". I seen it written a lot but until my 13 year old, and he's been saying it since he was at least 7, I've never heared it. "Um" and "uh" are it's more popular rivals. All the best, Henry Robinett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiveMusic Posted May 12, 2004 Share Posted May 12, 2004 "Irregardless" is about as bad as it gets. "Fixing to" (do this or that) is bad. I have a friend who says "I heard that" about every other breath. Or "I know that's right." > > > [ Live! ] < < < Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudcat Posted May 12, 2004 Share Posted May 12, 2004 "Could care less" is not the equivalent of "Couldn't care less." Mudcat's music on Soundclick "Work hard. Rock hard. Eat hard. Sleep hard. Grow big. Wear glasses if you need 'em."-The Webb Wilder Credo- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderton Posted May 12, 2004 Share Posted May 12, 2004 How about "Obviously?" Obviously, if it's obvious, you don't need to say it...right? Another fave: "Most unique." Either something is unique, or it isn't. Something can't be more unique than something else by definition, because if it's unique, there's nothing else like it. "At the end of the day." Thankfully this is starting to fade away. It was a hipper substitute for "When all is said and done," which I didn't like either. The French have a single word that means the same thing, "enfin," but we don't. The closest we have is "In the end." Craig Anderton Educational site: http://www.craiganderton.org Music: http://www.youtube.com/thecraiganderton Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/craig_anderton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunny Knutson Posted May 12, 2004 Share Posted May 12, 2004 Ultimately, I think you're wrong, Craig. That said, I still think you're a great moderator. https://bunny.bandcamp.com/ https://theystolemycrayon.bandcamp.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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