pjd Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Even though the DACs in the Motif XF and MOXF products are capable of 192kHz, they are both clocked at 44.1kHz samples/sec/channel. The Montage DAC is clocked at 48kHz. Also, the Montage engineers paid careful attention to analog board layout and power, AKA "Pure Analog Circuit." The post-DAC circuitry is quite different WRT Motif/MOX. We won't be getting any PAC with the lower cost MODX. Comparisons of Motif XF vs. MOXF vs. Montage are reasonable. When comparisons are made across vendors, I back off. There are too many variables -- differences in tone generation, waveforms (AKA "samples"), voice programming, etc., etc. Follow the gourd! Follow the shoe! All the best -- pj Music technology blog: http://sandsoftwaresound.net/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotiDave Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Theres more changes from XF to Montage than just DACs. Hard to parse out which bit added which sonic improvement. If MODX comes out in the family range of Montage, that will be awesome enough. I cant hear a difference between MOXF and XF - I instead hear a ldifference based on the sound system that is amplifying me - which varies at every gig. I suspect in general that FOH differences are 10x the XF/MOXF delta or more. Quote The baiting I do is purely for entertainment value. Please feel free to ignore it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zephonic Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 https://www.yamahasynth.com/yamaha-synth-rss/something-new Special Yamaha Synthesizer LIVESTREAM Event: Friday, September 14, 1PM/1300 Eastern Daylight Time Tune in for a very special announcement during an event featuring artist performances and interviews! Join the Yamaha Synthesizer team for a very special Facebook Live event from Yamaha Artist Services in New York City. Hosted by UK/EU Product Demonstrator Dom Sigalas and US Synthesizer Product Specialist Blake Angelos, the event will feature a special product announcement, live performances and interviews with: Electronic artist and sound designer: Richard Devine Keyboardist and Yamaha Artist: Nick Semrad Pianist/keyboardist and Yamaha Artist: Domi Degalle The event takes place on Friday, September 14 at 1PM/1300 Eastern Standard Time and will be streamed live on the YamahaSynths Facebook page. This will be a MEMORABLE event that you will not want to miss! Hope to see you there! https://www.facebook.com/yamahasynths/ Quote local: Korg Nautilus 61 AT | Yamaha MODX8 away: GigPerformer | 16" MBP M1 Max home: Kawai RX-2 | Korg D1 | Roland Fantom X7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjd Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Theres more changes from XF to Montage than just DACs. Hard to parse out which bit added which sonic improvement. If MODX comes out in the family range of Montage, that will be awesome enough. Absolutely true. The Motif XF is based on the older SWP51L tone generator while the Montage uses two SWP70 TGs. The host processor moved to ARM from MIPS, etc. That's why I think it's fair to compare one system against another system. And it's why I avoid any "It's the DAC" arguments. :-) I'm looking forward to the MODX, BTW. Can't wait to try one! All the best -- pj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotiDave Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Theres more changes from XF to Montage than just DACs. Hard to parse out which bit added which sonic improvement. If MODX comes out in the family range of Montage, that will be awesome enough. Absolutely true. The Motif XF is based on the older SWP51L tone generator while the Montage uses two SWP70 TGs. The host processor moved to ARM from MIPS, etc. That's why I think it's fair to compare one system against another system. And it's why I avoid any "It's the DAC" arguments. :-) I'm looking forward to the MODX, BTW. Can't wait to try one! All the best -- pj me too! Quote The baiting I do is purely for entertainment value. Please feel free to ignore it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnotherScott Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Sweetwater is already showing the MOXF6 as discontinued. So actual availability of the MODX is probably imminent. Quote Maybe this is the best place for a shameless plug! Our now not-so-new new video at https://youtu.be/3ZRC3b4p4EI is a 40 minute adaptation of T. S. Eliot's "Prufrock" - check it out! And hopefully I'll have something new here this year. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zephonic Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Sweetwater is already showing the MOXF6 as discontinued. So actual availability of the MODX is probably imminent. Most likely pre-order tomorrow, as soon as the FB event has been concluded. The MOXF8 is still available though. I'm slightly concerned they'll release the MODX6/7 first, alongside the MOXF8, as there haven't been any leaked photos of the 88-key version. I want to buy the MODX8 today, and would hate if they delayed it because the MOXF8 is still selling well. Quote local: Korg Nautilus 61 AT | Yamaha MODX8 away: GigPerformer | 16" MBP M1 Max home: Kawai RX-2 | Korg D1 | Roland Fantom X7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Bouchillon Posted September 13, 2018 Author Share Posted September 13, 2018 Hey Zephonic, You looking for this.... Quote Yamaha CP-80/S80/S90es/P125/DGX-670/AN1x/MOTIF XS-Rack/CS6R/Roland D-50/Prophet 5(Rev 3.3.)/OBX8/Prophet 5 (Rev 4)/OB-8/Juno-60/Jupiter-6/Studiologic Numa Organ with Neo Ventilator/Korg Kronos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zephonic Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 YEAH! I'm buying that. An updated alternative to the S90; hope it doesn't have the GHS action, but even if it does, I'm getting one. Quote local: Korg Nautilus 61 AT | Yamaha MODX8 away: GigPerformer | 16" MBP M1 Max home: Kawai RX-2 | Korg D1 | Roland Fantom X7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dockeys Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 The modx8 is showing up on a few places now. Looks like it might be a little lighter than the Moxf8 but possibly the same GHS hammer action?? https://www.espaceclaviers.com/yamaha-modx8-workstations_p8580,oasc,c57,oasc,pg1.htm Would like to take a punt on this but Ive had the mox8 and moxf8 and sold them on as I just couldnt gel with that action. If it had the Montage 8/XF8/ES8 action Id buy it in a heartbeat. Looks like a big step forward for the MOX series though. Quote Yamaha MODX8, Legend Live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatoboy Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 I didn't care for the way the GHS action was implemented in the MX-88....though they touted the action for the 88 upgrade of the MX line which is fair. The GHS felt and responded better it seemed to me in other Yammy boards other than the MX-88! To shallow a throw for my choperoos! Quote CP-50, YC 73, FP-80, PX5-S, NE-5d61, Kurzweil SP6, XK-3, CX-3, Hammond XK-3, Yamaha YUX Upright, '66 B3/Leslie 145/122 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotiDave Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 I found a MODX7 spec cite 1144 mm = 45". listed weight is 7.4 kg = 16.3 lbs. Not sure i'll be able to get it into an ATA molded case that hits 50". (don't want a heavy flight case). are there companies that can custom construct light weight ATA cases tightly sized to a keyboard (with wheels )? 2.5" oer side should be enough room if they are shooting for the perfect spec for this board. Quote The baiting I do is purely for entertainment value. Please feel free to ignore it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty Motif Max Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 The modx8 is showing up on a few places now. Looks like it might be a little lighter than the Moxf8 but possibly the same GHS hammer action?? https://www.espaceclaviers.com/yamaha-modx8-workstations_p8580,oasc,c57,oasc,pg1.htm Would like to take a punt on this but Ive had the mox8 and moxf8 and sold them on as I just couldnt gel with that action. If it had the Montage 8/XF8/ES8 action Id buy it in a heartbeat. Looks like a big step forward for the MOX series though. If Google Translate is correct and that site's information is accurate, then yes, the MODX8 uses the GHS action. The other two models are showing up there too. Both are listed simply as having a "semi-weighted keyboard". Quote Yamaha: Motif XF8, MODX7, YS200, CVP-305, CLP-130, YPG-235, PSR-295, PSS-470 | Roland: Fantom 7, JV-1000 Kurzweil: PC3-76| Hammond: SK Pro 73 | Korg: Triton LE 76, N1R, X5DR | Emu: Proteus/1 | Casio: CT-370 | Novation: Launchkey 37 MK3 | Technics: WSA1R Former: Emu Proformance Plus & Mo'Phatt, Korg Krome 61, Roland Fantom XR & JV-1010, Yamaha MX61, Behringer CAT, Kurzweil PC4 (88) Assorted electric & acoustic guitars and electric basses | Roland TD-17 KVX | Alesis SamplePad Pro | Assorted organs, accordions, other instruments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zephonic Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 Theyre up on Sweetwater now: https://www.sweetwater.com/store/search.php?s=modx $1299, $1499, and $1899 Pre-order now, deliveries start om 9/27. Quote local: Korg Nautilus 61 AT | Yamaha MODX8 away: GigPerformer | 16" MBP M1 Max home: Kawai RX-2 | Korg D1 | Roland Fantom X7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElmerJFudd Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 Hmmm. Necessary to go GHS at $1899? Could have stuck the CP4s action in it which sells for $1999. Quote Yamaha CP88, Casio PX-560 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dockeys Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 Hmmm. Necessary to go GHS at $1899? Could have stuck the CP4s action in it which sells for $1999. Indeed, but would it have increased the overall weight by much? Quote Yamaha MODX8, Legend Live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill W Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 Theyre up on Sweetwater now: https://www.sweetwater.com/store/search.php?s=modx $1299, $1499, and $1899 Pre-order now, deliveries start om 9/27. And the MODX owner's manual is up: https://usa.yamaha.com/support/manuals/index.html?l=en&c=music_production&k=modx Quote Korg Kronos 61 (2); Roland Fantom-06, 2015 Macbook Pro and 2012 Mac Mini (Logic Pro X and Mainstage), GigPerformer 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElmerJFudd Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 Hmmm. Necessary to go GHS at $1899? Could have stuck the CP4s action in it which sells for $1999. Indeed, but would it have increased the overall weight by much? CP4 is one of the lightest quality action slabs you can get. Quote Yamaha CP88, Casio PX-560 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dockeys Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 Hmmm. Necessary to go GHS at $1899? Could have stuck the CP4s action in it which sells for $1999. Indeed, but would it have increased the overall weight by much? CP4 is one of the lightest quality action slabs you can get. Yup not only one of the lightest but one of the most loved. Myself included. But the cp4 is 17 plus kilos while the moxf8 is 13-14 kilos. Im assuming they might be looking at getting th modx8 in at a similar light weight. Seeing as the cp4 and probably the modx8 are largely plastic bodies I wonder if the cp4 keybed is much heavier as it has wood rather than plastic of th GHS? An MODX8 with cp4 keybed would be a very attractive proposition. Quote Yamaha MODX8, Legend Live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatoboy Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 I'm almost interested... this is a very nice instrument. Just hope the GHS's implementation is not similar to the MX-88. I really did not connect with that action very well. Quote CP-50, YC 73, FP-80, PX5-S, NE-5d61, Kurzweil SP6, XK-3, CX-3, Hammond XK-3, Yamaha YUX Upright, '66 B3/Leslie 145/122 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Mullins Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 Anyone know if it has the same silly MIDI implementation as the Montage? Quote Yamaha CK88, Arturia Keylab 61 MkII, Moog Sub 37, Yamaha U1 Upright, Casio CT-S500, Mac Logic/Mainstage, iPad Camelot, Spacestation V.3, QSC K10.2, JBL EON One Compact www.stickmanor.com There's a thin white line between fear and fury - Stickman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KorgyPorky Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 Hmmm. Necessary to go GHS at $1899? Could have stuck the CP4s action in it which sells for $1999. That does not sound like yamaha.. If you want good action, you need to buy the top model at yamaha.. I hope i am wrong, but cant imagine they will have anything else then the GHS action... At best a GH3 action, but i dont think they will add the lovely NWX that is in the P515 and many other high end pianos.. if it has NWX, at that price buying would be a no brainer.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnotherScott Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 Hmmm. Necessary to go GHS at $1899? Could have stuck the CP4s action in it which sells for $1999. Either you pay for a better action, or you pay for more capable electronics. If a CP4 is $1999, why would you expect a board with the same action and a whole lot more everything else (display, memory, controls, processing power, whatever) to sell for less? (Or as I've said in the past, there are lots of things you can get in a $1000 board, but if you put them all in the same board, you don't have a $1000 board anymore.) Quote Maybe this is the best place for a shameless plug! Our now not-so-new new video at https://youtu.be/3ZRC3b4p4EI is a 40 minute adaptation of T. S. Eliot's "Prufrock" - check it out! And hopefully I'll have something new here this year. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zephonic Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 I never expected the CP4 action, but I do feel they could have thrown the GH in there for the money (and weight). Whats strange is that the original MO8 had a better action than its successors, so its not like they couldnt do it at this price point. But Im happy its finally here, nonetheless! Quote local: Korg Nautilus 61 AT | Yamaha MODX8 away: GigPerformer | 16" MBP M1 Max home: Kawai RX-2 | Korg D1 | Roland Fantom X7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GovernorSilver Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 Theyre up on Sweetwater now: https://www.sweetwater.com/store/search.php?s=modx $1299, $1499, and $1899 Pre-order now, deliveries start om 9/27. This might be a better link - the other one points to some kind of guitar https://www.sweetwater.com/insync/yamaha-modx-launch/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benj2017 Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 Theyre up on Sweetwater now: https://www.sweetwater.com/store/search.php?s=modx $1299, $1499, and $1899 Pre-order now, deliveries start om 9/27. This might be a better link - the other one points to some kind of guitar https://www.sweetwater.com/insync/yamaha-modx-launch/ That one is down now as well... Anyone know if it has the same silly MIDI implementation as the Montage? I was wondering this as well, I emailed someone in the Yamaha keyboard group to ask... Quote Studio: Motif XF8 / MacBook Pro / Apollo Twin X / M-Audio BX8a / Plug-ins Live Rig A: Nord Stage 3 Compact 73 / Prophet Rev2 / Various FX pedals (Eventide, Strymon, Lounsberry, Neo Vent II) Live Rig B: Yamaha MODX7 / Crumar D9-X / B3-X (iPad) Amp: MS KP-610s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GovernorSilver Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 Apparently, the official announcement from Yamaha is scheduled for noon EST. That is why Sweetwater took down that page. The specs posted there might not be totally accurate, though I'm sure they're a step closer to reality than typical GearSlutz stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Mullins Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 Anyone know if it has the same silly MIDI implementation as the Montage? I was wondering this as well, I emailed someone in the Yamaha keyboard group to ask... Took a brief look at the manual and it seems it has the same limitations: "When the MIDI I/O mode is set to multi, each MIDI Receive Channel number of the MODX corresponds to an individual Part number, such as Channel 1 for Part 1, Channel 2 for Part 2, and so on. When the MIDI I/O is set to single, a single channel is used for receiving all Parts." A little ambiguous, but given the known Montage implementation, I read that as no aribitrary setting of MIDI channel numbers for parts. Quote Yamaha CK88, Arturia Keylab 61 MkII, Moog Sub 37, Yamaha U1 Upright, Casio CT-S500, Mac Logic/Mainstage, iPad Camelot, Spacestation V.3, QSC K10.2, JBL EON One Compact www.stickmanor.com There's a thin white line between fear and fury - Stickman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synthoid Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 [video:youtube] [video:youtube] Quote When an eel hits your eye like a big pizza pie, that's a Moray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotiDave Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 live streaming is currently on their FB page ... I missed the start. the artist they selected to demo loves it - thats good because if she said it sucks, that would be bad Quote The baiting I do is purely for entertainment value. Please feel free to ignore it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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