I-missRichardTee Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 I have pirated version of Sibelius from ages ago, so decided to support the company and purchased it... around version 7.. Well, the fonts went all nutty on her, and I have no patience for it. So I discovered MuseScore... and it seems less encumbered with detail I hopefully don't need. I think it is made for 99% musician 1% computer geek, types like me. So much more "friendly". Are there any users here? I want to move the single staves closer together, with the hope of no page turning. What terminology might that be under, system, or page or? How do I reduce the space between staves? You don't have ideas, ideas have you We see the world, not as it is, but as we are. "One mans food is another mans poison". I defend your right to speak hate. Tolerance to a point, not agreement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountFosco Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Style, Edit General Style, Page. There you can change all the relevant settings. One useful setting is "Page fill threshold". You can play with that to stop it from automatically stretching everything to fill a page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-missRichardTee Posted August 28, 2018 Author Share Posted August 28, 2018 Count Fosco.. Thank you. Am I dreaming, or is Musescore much more appealing to non tech, music types? You don't have ideas, ideas have you We see the world, not as it is, but as we are. "One mans food is another mans poison". I defend your right to speak hate. Tolerance to a point, not agreement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountFosco Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 I fell into it a few years ago and it works for me - as a gas turbine vibration engineer piano player I guess I don't fit that description. Some things are a bit limiting, like using multiple "voices" (in Musescore terminology) in one stave, eg one finger holds a minim while another plays quavers - a pretty normal thing to want to write but a pain in the butt in Musescore. I work around those things though. I was using Musescore 1 until recently, and usually had the pdf manual open in the background. Everything's in there. I just upgraded to the latest version, which only has an online manual and I haven't really looked at it yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-missRichardTee Posted August 28, 2018 Author Share Posted August 28, 2018 I have only written a few bars of single staff music in the score, which is set to 40 bars. So far I cannot figure out how to minimize the distance between the 2 staves, using Style, Edit General Style, Page. I am incorporating widely divergent numbers among the various options, but none seem to address the space between staves! Maybe after I fill in the remaining measures? But I want to fit the 40 measures on one page! Just for fun, may I get dangerously personal ( given the fact Halloween is around the corner ) Just a few questions, you don't have to respond Do you reside in Eastern Europe? Perhaps in an old castle/ mansion? Ok, one more... do you get out much, you know , in the noon day sun? You don't have ideas, ideas have you We see the world, not as it is, but as we are. "One mans food is another mans poison". I defend your right to speak hate. Tolerance to a point, not agreement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountFosco Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Distance between treble and bass staves in a piano template? = "Great stave distance". You can also set the minimum distance between lines with "Min. system distance". I'm no expert. I play around with settings until things fit how I like them. Another useful function is, select a whole bunch of bars, then "Layout, increase (or decrease) stretch". I use that a lot to make things fit. Also make use of section breaks at the end of lines so they don't automatically right justify. I'm an aussie, but I live smack bang in the middle of europe, not in a castle, but in a house made of chocolate and cheese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-missRichardTee Posted August 28, 2018 Author Share Posted August 28, 2018 lol No, not in grand ( double ) stave . But In between a single staff and another single staff. "Cheese"? In that case I recommend having many cats to keep meese ( multiple mice ) at bay. You don't have ideas, ideas have you We see the world, not as it is, but as we are. "One mans food is another mans poison". I defend your right to speak hate. Tolerance to a point, not agreement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harmonizer Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 My son is a heavy user of Musescore. He has taught me the basics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-missRichardTee Posted August 28, 2018 Author Share Posted August 28, 2018 Since I am Jersey guy, near the Lincoln Tunnel area... maybe your son would extend an olive branch on my question? Hopefully I can tinker with it, and get the single staves with less ( wasted ) space between them. Trivia OT Since I miss Jersey... I will throw some names out, of guys I used to work with, maybe you know some of em? The Argese bros Lou Monte's son, Ray. I used to tease him with that moniker. Joe Pesci, was a fine singer , comedic front man, guitarist. Four Seasons, When Joe Long was on bass, after Nicky. And the greatest singer I ever encountered, Eddie Brigati. Harold Zislin. John Tropea, the best rhythm guitar player in my experience. You don't have ideas, ideas have you We see the world, not as it is, but as we are. "One mans food is another mans poison". I defend your right to speak hate. Tolerance to a point, not agreement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzmammal Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 I've subscribed to MuseScore for several years but only used it to search for a particular chart. I've never used it to create a chart because I use Band In A Box for that. I thought I would use this thread to try to answer your question. Damn. This thing ain't intuitive is it? The first thing I did is install the latest version because it includes a Jazz Fakebook template which I assume is what you're trying to achieve? I created a new song and put in 40 bars. What did it do? It scrunched the 40 bars into 2 1/2 lines. Jeesh, where's the intelligence in that? If somebody wants to start with a Jazz Fakebook template it's obvious they want the number of bars to fill out the page and maybe extend to a second page automatically. That's what Biab does but perhaps it can do that and I haven't figured it out yet, dunno. CountFosco's suggestion about using the Layout tab>Increase Stretch function does work but very clunky. There is this symbol ] next to it which usually indicates a hotkey function but I can't make it do anything. I had to click on Increase Stretch and all that does is stretch it a few bars at a time so I'm clicking and clicking and clicking...until I finally got the 40 bars spread out like this: First stave 5 bars, the next 5 staves is 6 bars each and the last stave is 5 bars. That totals 40 bars over 7 staves. That can work but I cannot find anywhere that allows you to do what you asked about, decrease the spacing between the staves. It seems to be locked at a maximum of 8 staves per page. I could be wrong about this and probably am, the documentation with this app is pretty big so it's probably hiding in there somewhere. This is just my initial run at this, I thought I would post my progress and now I have to run. Good luck. Hammond SK1, Mojo 61, Kurzweil PC3, Korg Pa3x, Roland FA06, Band in a Box, Real Band, Studio One, too much stuff... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Mike Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 The trick with MuseScore is to not format as you write. Get all your notes, chords, repeats, codas, etc. all entered in, THEN worry about the formatting. I'm not sure how squeeze to get more staves on a single page, but you can force line breaks to make music more readable. You can stretch and squeeze horizontally, but I'm not sure (yet) how to do that vertically. I haven't had the need, since I mostly create lead sheets for myself. Most of those are only 1 or 2 pages. I did find out something cool about the program last week. I created a combo lead sheet for trumpet and piano in a single document. You can format it one way with both instruments. You can then "hide" one of the instrument staves from the sheet, and reformat the view for the instrument that remains. The program will remember the formatting for that view, so you can go back to the full view or the other instrument, change the formatting for the best presentation, and still preserve the formatting for the individual view. I thought that was a cool feature. I like it because note entry is fast, the shortcuts are easy, and it's not a fussy piece of software. I convert the finished sheets to PDF files and import them into forScore. Easy peasy. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
re Pete Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 I took on a job of transcribing a solo pianists playing while they were also singing on various recordings. About 8 songs, 40 minutes total length. They wanted it exactly what was played. I only used Musescore for a couple weeks so it was a learning event. I took notes for keystroke shortcuts which helped. If I was stuck on something I couldn't get help in Musescore's directions, I found just query on the internet and someone out there asked the same thing. That really came in handy. Converting to PDF was easy, clean looking and the client was happy with the results. They also wanted it in various keys, which the program allows, but I did have to edit things. The more I'd work Musescore it got easier. This was the previous version than current. It's a great free program. I never used Sibelius or Finale and wonder how much better they are for the price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountFosco Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 lol No, not in grand ( double ) stave . But In between a single staff and another single staff. "Cheese"? In that case I recommend having many cats to keep meese ( multiple mice ) at bay. Does "Style - General - Page" then reduce the "Max. system distance" (to say, 7.0sp) do what you want? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
re Pete Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 Does anyone know if you upgrade from previous Musescore version to newest do you lose all your files or does it save them? I want to upgrade but can't find this info. I guess safe to back up first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-missRichardTee Posted August 29, 2018 Author Share Posted August 29, 2018 Dumb question, but how do you back up on OS10? You don't have ideas, ideas have you We see the world, not as it is, but as we are. "One mans food is another mans poison". I defend your right to speak hate. Tolerance to a point, not agreement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountFosco Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 You don't lose them re Pete. I recently upgraded to version 2.0 (but it's already telling me there's a new version available to download). I can open older files (created with version 1) with the new version, but then when I resave them they're no longer compatible with version 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-missRichardTee Posted August 29, 2018 Author Share Posted August 29, 2018 I took on a job of transcribing a solo pianists playing while they were also singing on various recordings. About 8 songs, 40 minutes total length. They wanted it exactly what was played. I only used Musescore for a couple weeks so it was a learning event. I took notes for keystroke shortcuts which helped. If I was stuck on something I couldn't get help in Musescore's directions, I found just query on the internet and someone out there asked the same thing. That really came in handy. Converting to PDF was easy, clean looking and the client was happy with the results. They also wanted it in various keys, which the program allows, but I did have to edit things. The more I'd work Musescore it got easier. This was the previous version than current. It's a great free program. I never used Sibelius or Finale and wonder how much better they are for the price. Didn't you find this free app, pretty friendly? In my first few days with it.. I find it pretty easy. I would struggle with Finale and Sibelius. Since Musescore is easier out of the box, I figure, it is worth my time to cop the details. Question, what is the MEMBERSHIP aspect of musescore, all about? They want money for what benefits? I get a good feeling from the company and would be inclined to help, but how much money, and for what? You don't have ideas, ideas have you We see the world, not as it is, but as we are. "One mans food is another mans poison". I defend your right to speak hate. Tolerance to a point, not agreement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-missRichardTee Posted August 29, 2018 Author Share Posted August 29, 2018 You don't lose them re Pete. I recently upgraded to version 2.0 (but it's already telling me there's a new version available to download). I can open older files (created with version 1) with the new version, but then when I reserve them they're no longer compatible with version 1. The Count, to the rescue, alright. I am downloading it as we speak. That is 2.3.2 it asked do I want to replace old version.. I decided to keep both, just in case, there is some weirdness. Weirdness example: There is a useful app for iOS called Audio Note. I find it useful It permits hand written notes typed notes recording all in the same doc BUT when I paid more for the updated version I find advertising ON THE DOC , towards the top!! I have complained about it, but no fix. I do not know if one can get the original version, but it is a handy app,, i think it is has unique blend of features. You don't have ideas, ideas have you We see the world, not as it is, but as we are. "One mans food is another mans poison". I defend your right to speak hate. Tolerance to a point, not agreement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulf Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 Dumb question, but how do you back up on OS10? Time Machine? Rock bottom bass Fakebook Pro Sheet Music Reader - at every gig! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-missRichardTee Posted August 29, 2018 Author Share Posted August 29, 2018 Dumb question, but how do you back up on OS10? Time Machine? Yeah, my question was pretty clueless, thanks Turns out musescore smoothly effortlessly permits the update, with all previous work maintained. Question. how common is that, that feature of smooth transitions from one version to another? You don't have ideas, ideas have you We see the world, not as it is, but as we are. "One mans food is another mans poison". I defend your right to speak hate. Tolerance to a point, not agreement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzmammal Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 The trick with MuseScore is to not format as you write. Get all your notes, chords, repeats, codas, etc. all entered in, THEN worry about the formatting. Ok, so using my first try at this as an example, when I opened a new file using the Jazz Lead Sheet template and put in 40 bars it gave me all those bars on 2 1/2 staves which is unworkable. What exactly do you mean do not format as you write? Do you leave the number of bars blank and just start writing one bar at a time until you're finished? Hammond SK1, Mojo 61, Kurzweil PC3, Korg Pa3x, Roland FA06, Band in a Box, Real Band, Studio One, too much stuff... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-missRichardTee Posted August 29, 2018 Author Share Posted August 29, 2018 Bob and Count Fosco Count asked "Does "Style - General - Page" then reduce the "Max. system distance" (to say, 7.0sp) do what you want?" YES it works Man. this musescore, so far, is really sweet. For just writing charts for myself, I like this app a lot. Now what about the part about, monthly charge to be a member of whatever it is they offer? Ya know, premium! You don't have ideas, ideas have you We see the world, not as it is, but as we are. "One mans food is another mans poison". I defend your right to speak hate. Tolerance to a point, not agreement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desert Rat Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 You may not have to make the decision of whether or not to be a "voluntary" member. https://musescore.org/en/node/269605 Don "Yes, on occasion I do talk to myself, sometimes I need an expert's opinion." Alesis DG8, ARP(Korg)Odyssey Mk.1, Roland JU-06 & Keystation61. Stratocaster if I get tired of sitting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-missRichardTee Posted August 29, 2018 Author Share Posted August 29, 2018 Thank you Desert Rat for the heads up. From musescore: Dear all, Today wed like to share important news with you concerning MuseScore. Ten years ago we (Werner, Nicolas and Thomas) started working on MuseScore with the mission to democratise access to sheet music. The plan came in two steps. First by developing free music notation software for everyone, then followed by a platform to upload and share sheet music. The latter is a commercial service which sustained the development of the free and open source MuseScore music notation software. We can fairly state that today MuseScore is the most popular notation software on the market, and by extend the worlds largest sheet music creators community. This is a great achievement which we, as an open source community, should be extremely proud of. Millions of people are learning and creating music with MuseScore every year. That said, its important to also look at the other side of the medallion, a side which we didnt much communicate about. As MuseScore has become a very large software project, on which so many users rely on for their hobby and work, keeping up with the growth has become a major challenge. Our company resources were not equally growing fast enough, and therefore the future of the MuseScore project could become uncertain. It was always our intention to put a business model in place which could work for all stakeholders involved (creators, right holders, consumers) but we learnt that we could only achieve this by either a substantial external investment, or through a strategic partnership with a company who has established relationships with music publishers. After some time of researching both options, we opted for the latter. In short, we have decided to let Ultimate Guitar acquire the MuseScore company. Ultimate Guitar has pioneered a successful model for working with music publishers, and all MuseScore users will be able to benefit from this. Additionally, there are more resources now to take on the next steps and turn MuseScore into the online destination for sheet music. Of course, it is important to all of us that the open source nature of the MuseScore project is preserved. Therefore we would like to emphasize that the MuseScore notation software remains open source and that all code contributions will continue to be made under GPLv2. We are fully committed to make MuseScore 3 and all future releases happen and we will continue to make them available for free to the world. We would like to thank everyone who has been on our journey so far and we hope to continue to work with all of you on the future of MuseScore. We also like to invite you to read the announcement by Ultimate Guitar founder Eugeny Naidenov. As always, do not hesitate to leave a comment. Yours truly, Werner, Nicolas, Thomas I hope this migration to a GUITAR ( :dead horse: :raw: ) related company does not end up harming the integrity of musescore. They SAY it will not, but I am a musician not a geek, and have no clue what that code they mention means. Namely "all code contributions will continue to be made under GPLv2" Can someone smarter about tech, explain what musescore fully entails. envisions and now with the addition of Ultimate Guitar? Is this good news for we pianist musicians ? You don't have ideas, ideas have you We see the world, not as it is, but as we are. "One mans food is another mans poison". I defend your right to speak hate. Tolerance to a point, not agreement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-missRichardTee Posted August 29, 2018 Author Share Posted August 29, 2018 In retrospect, how can musescore democratize sheet music access? democratize sounds like ripping off the sheet music people who charge for music. is musescore making sheet music available to us for free? That seems out of tune with common sense. I would not mind paying a monthly fee for access though. Scribd does this, but they are a rip off company from the authors of books pov. You don't have ideas, ideas have you We see the world, not as it is, but as we are. "One mans food is another mans poison". I defend your right to speak hate. Tolerance to a point, not agreement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoKen Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 You may have to adjust Min system distance as well if you want them closer than Min. setting. Also, under the Breaks and Spacers palette there are Staff Spacer Down and Staff Spacer Up for control of space between pairs of staffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-missRichardTee Posted August 29, 2018 Author Share Posted August 29, 2018 You may have to adjust Min system distance as well if you want them closer than Min. setting. Also, under the Breaks and Spacers palette there are Staff Spacer Down and Staff Spacer Up for control of space between pairs of staffs. Thanks You don't have ideas, ideas have you We see the world, not as it is, but as we are. "One mans food is another mans poison". I defend your right to speak hate. Tolerance to a point, not agreement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Mike Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 The trick with MuseScore is to not format as you write. Get all your notes, chords, repeats, codas, etc. all entered in, THEN worry about the formatting. Ok, so using my first try at this as an example, when I opened a new file using the Jazz Lead Sheet template and put in 40 bars it gave me all those bars on 2 1/2 staves which is unworkable. What exactly do you mean do not format as you write? Do you leave the number of bars blank and just start writing one bar at a time until you're finished? It creates 40 blank bars at the outset, yes. As you write in notes and/ or chord symbols, it will automatically span out by itself so that the music fits the page. Once all your notes are entered, those 40 bars could take a whole page or two. It may not be pretty though, as some lines may contain 8 or 10 bars while others may only have 2 or 3. After all your data entry is done, you can then look at your page and determine how many bars per line you want to see, etc. It's like writing a report or other document with a word processor. You get all your content entered, and then work on the presentation. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountFosco Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 I use line breaks. For my funk lead sheets, I try to stick to 4 or 8 bars (depending on how wordy the keys part is) per line. Sometimes I'll make a new lead sheet, then put all the line breaks in in advance. I use system text a lot to label each line (chorus, verse whatever). But otherwise, like Mike, I get it all down then format it at the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harmonizer Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 I-missRichardTee, when I do this: Layout -> Page Settings -> Scaling -> Staff Space (sp) I tested changing this from 1.564 mm to 1.364 mm, and it makes a big difference (the staffs get smaller and closer together). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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