drohm Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 A question for you experienced clav players: Is it possible to get this ( ) sound with another keyboard, or is the real thing (Hohner D6?) make all the difference? I know the playing style is a huge part, but what do you think the signal chain (Fx, amp) look like for Renato Neto's setup? Anyone really happy with their clav setup or emulation? Does the Vintage Vibe Vibanet get this right? Thanks! NS3C, Hammond XK5, Yamaha S7X, Sequential Prophet 6, Yamaha YC73, Roland Jupiter X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEB Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 It depends. I'm sure the Vintage Vibe will get you there. Pickup a envelope follower maybe a used Phaser and Chorus pedal for the fun of it and play through a decent amp. The problem with using a digital board is all the ding dongs doing sound design for ROMplers and workstations think every friggin' clav patch should sound like Stevie Wonder. Stevie had a good sound on Superstition, don't get me wrong, but there are a lot of other sounds to be had from a clav. But the Stevie sound is cooked into all the patches. Your best bet short of playing a real clav is software. "It doesn't have to be difficult to be cool" - Mitch Towne "A great musician can bring tears to your eyes!!! So can a auto Mechanic." - Stokes Hunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderSchoot Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 I never thought my Nords emulated the clav accurately and neither did Roland. However there are a few vsts that do. The best of the bunch is probably clav from Soniccouture. I dont have it because i bought the Waves Clavinet which was dirt cheap and still gives me a clav sound that indeed sounds way more authentic than what is available in most hardware instruments. Sometimes i dont feel the need of upgrading anymore...... Waves Clavinet does the job adequately...... also the specific style youre asking with the short funky plucking sound that is hard to capture. Funny thing is that before i read this topic i loaded up the Waves Clavinet and was surprised how good it sounded after neglecting it for some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnotherScott Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 It sounds to me like the whole thing is how to use the wah wah pedal. If you get that technique down, pretty much any clav simulation should get close. Maybe this is the best place for a shameless plug! Our now not-so-new new video at https://youtu.be/3ZRC3b4p4EI is a 40 minute adaptation of T. S. Eliot's "Prufrock" - check it out! And hopefully I'll have something new here this year. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emenelton Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 The forte 7 chameleon clav is totally awesome with its built in wah controlled with cc pedal in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delaware Dave Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 The gemini module (also the mojo) has a modeled clav with all the filter and pickup positions. Pretty close to the real deal. It has an auto wah but using a real pedal for wah is more accurate. 57 Hammond B3; 69 Hammond L100P; 68 Leslie 122; Kurzweil PC3; M-Audio Code 61; Voce V5+; Neo Vent; EV ELX112P; GSI Gemini & Burn Delaware Dave Exit93band Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doerfler Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 Does the Vintage Vibe Vibanet get this right? Thanks! if you have the money for the Vibanet (I don't, wish I did) you can be sure as the sun shines it will get you anywhere you want as far as any clavinet sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mate stubb Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 I could nail that on my Nord Stage. Just use the built in pedal wah effect. I don't get all the Nord clav hate. I think it gets the 4 distinct pickup tones more correct than a lot of others do. However, playing this on my HP action would get tiring fast. It is almost effortless on the real thing. Moe --- "I keep wanting to like it's sound, but every demo seems to demonstrate that it has the earth-shaking punch and peerless sonics of the Roland Gaia. " - Tusker http://www.hotrodmotm.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyRude Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 However, playing this on my HP action would get tiring fast. It is almost effortless on the real thing. Bingo Some music I've recorded and played over the years with a few different bands Tommy Rude Soundcloud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderSchoot Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 I could nail that on my Nord Stage. Just use the built in pedal wah effect. I don't get all the Nord clav hate. I think it gets the 4 distinct pickup tones more correct than a lot of others do. However, playing this on my HP action would get tiring fast. It is almost effortless on the real thing. I love Nords, but something was missing to my ears..... hope this explains it bit more. I know about the difficulties comparing Youtube videos and their respective quality. But this is what i think the Nord clavinet sounds like albite the recording is not so good in the room. [video:youtube] This is the Waves Clavinet playing THAT riff from 5.05 and there are subtleties present in the attack (apart from the effects make up ) that i miss when playing Nord. [video:youtube] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
analogika Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 I could nail that on my Nord Stage. Just use the built in pedal wah effect. I don't get all the Nord clav hate. I think it gets the 4 distinct pickup tones more correct than a lot of others do. However, playing this on my HP action would get tiring fast. It is almost effortless on the real thing. I love Nords, but something was missing to my ears..... hope this explains it bit more. I know about the difficulties comparing Youtube videos and their respective quality. But this is what i think the Nord clavinet sounds like albite the recording is not so good in the room. [video:youtube] The reason that sounds and plays nothing like "Superstition" is that a) the filter switches are wrong, and b) there is no Auto-wah on the original that kills the entire attack in this recording. I did the keyboards on this recording including the clavinet (left channel) straight on the Electro 2: [video:youtube] The trick on the Electro 2 is the internal distortion, which is just wonderful. The wah is the default wah, operated with an FC-7 pedal. The Angels of Libra The Drawbars | off jazz organ trio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardware Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 I mix samples, Phys mod and analog synth for my clav. I prefer a thicker sound like Allen Parsons used in the 70s. 8DIO has the great open string sound, PianoTeq has a better half muted flavor, and these layered with a Code 8 have a bigger sound which still reeks with authenticity. I use analog filters for wah-wah. I love Native samples but find myself layering everything these days. Three EPianos to get the ballsy sound I like. That sound uses 4 cores of a 4GHz CPU and 55-60%. Its worth it. Magnus C350 + FMR RNP + Realistic Unisphere Mic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delaware Dave Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 The reason that sounds and plays nothing like "Superstition" is that a) the filter switches are wrong, and b) there is no Auto-wah on the original that kills the entire attack in this recording. Exactly this 57 Hammond B3; 69 Hammond L100P; 68 Leslie 122; Kurzweil PC3; M-Audio Code 61; Voce V5+; Neo Vent; EV ELX112P; GSI Gemini & Burn Delaware Dave Exit93band Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnotherScott Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 The reason that sounds and plays nothing like "Superstition" is that a) the filter switches are wrong, and b) there is no Auto-wah on the original that kills the entire attack in this recording. Exactly this and the riff is being played in the wrong octave. Also, while not related to the sound of the riff, it's a little disconcerting to see the sustain pedal being used in the turnaround. Anyway, this is a nice video on playing it: [video:youtube] Maybe this is the best place for a shameless plug! Our now not-so-new new video at https://youtu.be/3ZRC3b4p4EI is a 40 minute adaptation of T. S. Eliot's "Prufrock" - check it out! And hopefully I'll have something new here this year. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Simons Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 I ... find myself layering everything these days. Three EPianos to get the ballsy sound I like. . . Etc. . Me too, it gets crazy. Two different acoustic piano apps, and EP, an acoustic gtr, and a soft pad all on one patch - its out of control. Stuff like that. I gotta stop. I need an intervention. Yamaha P515 & CK88, Pianoteq, Mainstage, iOS, assorted other stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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