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Forgotten guitarists...?


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List 'em here if you think of them. Those guitarists who made a kind of "splash" and then disappeared from sight and sound.

 

Two for me are JORGEN INGMANN, well known in Denmark as a jazz guitarist, who made a "hit" in the U.S. with his cover of The Shadows' "Apache" in '61

 

The clip I post here though is an example of what he was able to do otherwise and oddly, the video doesn't match the audio( odd clip). Inspired by Les Paul, Jorgen got into multi-tracking with his own studio built with LP's inspiration. He died just two short years ago. He does all the guitar parts in this clip:

 

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My next entry is TRAVIS WAMMACK---

Still with us, but had a minor "hit" in '64 with this one---

 

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But when guitar players past or present come up for discussion, these two never get mention.

 

Any others?

Whitefang

 

 

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This is a list that could go way back but here's a semi-contemporary who not only defined much of modern rock but even directly inspired at least one of our greatest exemplars.

 

Jesse Ed Davis :cool:

 

His studio credits rival many from 1960's & 70's but most resemble Ry Cooder's, whom he succeeded in Taj Mahal's band.

In studio he played w/ everyone from Neil Diamond ~ John Lennon~ Eric Clapton~Rod Stewart.....

 

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Here he is inventing Duane Allman. Allman was a great guitarist but he & his career were defined by his discovery of Davis & thereafter adoption of slide gtr.

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Here he is giving Jackson Browne a lift

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsM7qCulsRM

[video:youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsM7qCulsRM

 

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That's true, most people don't know that about Charo. I didn't either until just a few years ago.

 

But she would have been a better addition to a thread I attempted a few years back called "They also played guitar" about people who were famous for one thing but also were pretty good at playing guitar but never famous for it. Like:

 

GROUCHO MARX

JIMMY CAGNEY

WILLIAM SCHALLERT

DAVID CARRADINE(and brother Robert)

etc.

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That's true, most people don't know that about Charo. I didn't either until just a few years ago.

 

But she would have been a better addition to a thread I attempted a few years back called "They also played guitar" about people who were famous for one thing but also were pretty good at playing guitar but never famous for it. Like:

 

GROUCHO MARX

JIMMY CAGNEY

WILLIAM SCHALLERT

DAVID CARRADINE(and brother Robert)

etc.

Whitefang

 

Charo was famous for it (i.e. playing guitar that is, taught by none other than Andres Segovia)...here's an excerpt from Wiki:

 

"As a musician, Charo has performed and recorded in various styles for five decades. She released a series of disco recordings in the 1970s with Salsoul Records, most notably Dance a Little Bit Closer (1970). In 1995, her flamenco album Guitar Passion (1994) won the Female Pop Album of the Year award at the Billboard International Latin Music Conference and was named best female Latin pop album by Billboard. In an interview Charo said "around the world I am known as a great musician. But, in America I am known as the cuchi-cuchi girl. Thats okay because cuchi-cuchi has taken me all the way to the bank."

 

I think she's a good addition to this thread...

Take care, Larryz
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That's true, most people don't know that about Charo. I didn't either until just a few years ago.

 

But she would have been a better addition to a thread I attempted a few years back called "They also played guitar" about people who were famous for one thing but also were pretty good at playing guitar but never famous for it. Like:

 

GROUCHO MARX

JIMMY CAGNEY

WILLIAM SCHALLERT

DAVID CARRADINE(and brother Robert)

etc.

Whitefang

 

On that topic, the Bacon Brothers Band-as in Kevin and his brother-have been regulars around the Hudson Valley area of New York for many years:

 

[video:youtube]

Same old surprises, brand new cliches-

 

Skipsounds on Soundclick:

www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandid=602491

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OK, OK. I'll concede just a bit with Charo, even though she's not really a "forgotten" guitarist, at least not in the general public's view. Which is what I was sort of after.

 

I mean, in a guitar player forum most of these names AREN'T forgotten. But in a "Man on the street" sense, many have slipped people's minds. THAT'S what I meant. For instance, most, if not all, of us in here remember THESE two....but go out and about and ask around and you'll probably get blank stares. And THAT'S a shame....

 

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[video:youtube]https://youtu.be/ExRdQtqHyac

 

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I don't know if he's forgotten by those of us in our '60s, but maybe he's unknown to the younger set:

Amos Garrett; and also Otis Rush. Steve Cropper on all those soul records. And many others.

There are just not that many who are going to be remembered for generations after their mainstream careers are ended, unfortunately.

After all, Beethoven had many talented contemporaries, but how many of them are well known today?

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Well, LISZT, CHOPIN, ROSSINI and SCHUBERT come to mind, but I get your drift. There were more. But you gotta consider.....

 

The guys you mentioned were and STILL are well known among guitarists and even casual players, but were also, in their "primes", basically unknowns among the "mainstream" music audience, unlike EDDY, MACK, INGMANN and WAMMACK, who each had some level of "mainstream" popularity.

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Brian Jones

He & Ian Stewart were the original founders of the Strolling Ruins.

While Mick'N'KR were tryna get a gig together BJ had been playing pro for a couple yrs.

In fact it was seeing him in action that set the other 2 on their certain blues, R&B path.

 

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Here he is helping break the band in the USA

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Brian introduces slide gtr to R&R

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0a3YjyOp8N8

[video:youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0a3YjyOp8N8

 

He was by far (trailed by Wyman) the best musician in that band, w/ a grasp of instruments bordering on genius.

 

He wailed on harmonica at least as good as John Lennon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VWC1wi3weE

[video:youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VWC1wi3weE

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BcJaUYE5Jw

[video:youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BcJaUYE5Jw

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YJXfcndyvU

[video:youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YJXfcndyvU

 

Here he is breaking ground by plying a marimba on a pop record.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sX6dM4eXdTw

[video:youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sX6dM4eXdTw

 

He played on 1 or 2 Beatles tracks, "You Know My Name" (sax) & some credit him w/ the shenai on "Baby Yer a Rich Man" [ http://www.mojvideo.com/video-the-beatles-baby-you-re-a-rich-man/891dc870ac4bf73d0256 ].

 

But most of all he was a guitarist.

Here' he is laying his last track on slide gtr.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rIqBeMZAMc

[video:youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rIqBeMZAMc

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLJzU85_CYw

[video:youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLJzU85_CYw

 

 

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Good point d. Brian isn't only forgotten as a guitarist but also a multi-instrumentalist and these days even as once a founding member of the Stones. And that just sucks.

 

I actually run across occasionally a few here and there that confuse Brian Jones with Zeppelin's JOHN PAUL JONES! And then some who thought the two were BROTHERS!

 

And I remember seeing that performance of "Paint It Black" on one of them ED SULLIVAN shows I threaded about. Cracks me up Brian's sitar doesn't have any STRINGS. :D

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When I was in high school, this late great former member of The Lovin' Spoonful was thought of as SO "cool".

 

Sadly, never made it too far on his own....

 

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Every time I see SLASH anywhere I think of Zal 'cause HE wore some odd hats sometimes too. ;)

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Here`s a name I bet will stir up some sediment-Terje Rypdal.

He had killer chops before killer chops was a term.

He is still kicking it into outer space, most likely his

passion for putting electric guitar in an orchestral setting is why

he isn`t getting the attention he deserves.

[video:youtube]

 

Here`s a show from back in the day, with Miroslav Vitous and Trilock Gurtu-no more need be said.

[video:youtube]

Same old surprises, brand new cliches-

 

Skipsounds on Soundclick:

www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandid=602491

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Forgotten guitarists...? This maybe a little OT but I'm going to throw in guys like Jim Croce, James Taylor and Bob Dylan. They are very well known due to their hit songs (lyrics and vocals), but people forget what great guitar players they are. It doesn't take long to appreciate their chord work once you pick up a song book or two. The great singer songwriters out there (and there are many), using the guitar as their backing instrument, are forgotten maestros IMHO. :cool:
Take care, Larryz
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[font:Comic Sans MS]A great guitarist in a blah band - Vito Bratta.

Even at his most raging, the guitar just sang in his hands:[/font]

 

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[font:Comic Sans MS]When the band's career came to a halt in the early '90s, he straight-up left the music business. I hear he went into the real estate biz.[/font]

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Here`s a name I bet will stir up some sediment-Terje Rypdal.

He had killer chops before killer chops was a term.

He is still kicking it into outer space, most likely his

passion for putting electric guitar in an orchestral setting is why

he isn`t getting the attention he deserves.

[video:youtube]

 

Here`s a show from back in the day, with Miroslav Vitous and Trilock Gurtu-no more need be said.

[video:youtube]

 

He just got some coverage in one of the gtr mags I audit...back later w/ link.

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Forgotten guitarists...? This maybe a little OT but I'm going to throw in guys like Jim Croce, James Taylor and Bob Dylan. They are very well known due to their hit songs (lyrics and vocals), but people forget what great guitar players they are. It doesn't take long to appreciate their chord work once you pick up a song book or two. The great singer songwriters out there (and there are many), using the guitar as their backing instrument, are forgotten maestros IMHO. :cool:

 

Heh! I thought of that briefly too, so let's go there as well. Right, those guys AREN'T forgotten EXCEPT for their guitar skills. Most people think of them in their singer/songwriting personas.

 

Like how many forget Bob Dylan's guitar skill AND vocal skill with this from his debut album?

 

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Or Paul Simon's ability?

 

 

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+1,000 on Paul Simon...he's the best of them all IMHO. If you lock yourself in a dark room and focus on the guitar parts of all of their greatest hits, you can't help but hear and appreciate a musical genius...at least I can't.

 

What happens when I am watching and listening to Simon and Garfunkel live, is I forget about Paul's guitar playing and get distracted. It's so much an integral part of the song that it just blends in and all of that beauty is flying by so fast in the harmony, melody, guitar work, lyrics, rhythms, etc., that I have to remind myself to focus on the guitar or I'll miss it... :cool:

Take care, Larryz
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:like:

 

That happens a lot with MANY others. ;)

 

Now, another one "forgotten", or at least often overlooked even in here when the discussions get into the "greats". Which IS subjective, really...

 

Another one of my favorites with a favorite tune from one of my favorite albums. :)

 

 

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Saw and met the man back in '73 before his recording career. Did a knock-out version of "When You Wish Upon A Star" that began and ended with so many "harmonic" notes played unbelievably rapid it still dazzles just thinking about it.

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Y'know, whenever we talk about "slide" in here, we bring up Duane, Winter, Harrison and even Trucks.

 

But MATT ANDES never gets mention. SPIRIT bassist MARK's brother, listen to some of his work on a Jo Jo Gunne favorite of mine. ;)

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