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To me it looks like a serious piece of pro gear.

 

But for better portability, I wished they had listened to us and came w/ a 76 keys version A-C where we reach the piano´s top octave by an octave transpose switch and momentary ft.-switch on demand.

 

Now we get 2 wheels on the top surface,- that´s welcome.

But ditching the damn PB/Mod-paddle, make the left wheel spring-loaded and assignable as a pitch bend wheel as well,- that would cut the width of the board in addition and probably save some weight too.

 

2 more questions still open for the time being:

 

a)

Is there now C/V availble for the super natural organ model ?

 

b)

How does the machine handle incoming MIDI via physical MIDI and USB MIDI ports ?

There are 16 Parts and 8 MIDI zones available.

Color coded LEDs for each zone,- RED = internal usage, green = external usage,- but outgoing MIDI being demoed only.

 

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Love the action of the RD-800 & RD-700GX (Have both) but the Forte superior in sound IMHO.

Also, is it just me or does the front of the RD-2000 look familiar... cough, Forte envy,cough.

 

I hate unreliability in KURZ PC3 series keyboards, especially pitch and mod-wheel pots as well as the sliders.

I had to replace pitchwheel pots in PC3 already 2 times and sliders start crapping out too.

Never had that w/ any other keyboard I bought before.

Many surprises during performance come from slider values jumping, being triggered by keyboard vibration while playing.

Even incomplete boot/scan cycles result from the cheapo components.

Do we have significantly better pots and sliders in the Forte ?

The customer reports @Thoman for the Forte 7 are not good b.t.w..

It doesn´t make sense getting great sound but cannot trust the machine when in use.

I don´t see many Kurzweils being used by pro touring bands.

What I see most is Roland and Yamaha followed by NORD.

I guess those are the most reliable 3.

 

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I am pretty much bought into the purchase of the RD2000. I have an original Nord Piano 88 and it has no layering or splits or other sound engines. I own a PC3 and the flexibility for layering is outstanding, the problem is the triple-strike if horrible compared to what exists out there today. Many of the PC3 sounds are starting to sound a bit dated. The problem with the Forte, is yes, they provided a single new piano and some updated electrics but the majority of other sounds are again just holdovers of decades-old samples. Not saying they are bad just not so great compared to some of the new offerings from Korg and Roland.

 

Right now I gig with a Nord and a MOXF but could go down to one keyboard, if the bed is good, has a lot of bread and butter sounds and can at least layer/split 4 sounds. The CP 40/4 does not do that for me. To limited on other sounds.

 

The RD2000 looks great, the RD800 had very good pianos and tweekability, I am assuming the RD2000 is even better.

 

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My first reaction was a quiet WOWWOOHOO!

:(. I'm sure the rd-2000 will be great but I was really hoping for an update to the FA-06 with integra sounds and 16 layers.

The FA does have 16 layers, doesn't it?

 

and a LOT of the Integra sounds- it's missing supernatural brass and woodwinds but synth, piano, ep, organ, strings- all there.

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The FA does have 16 layers, doesn't it?

and a LOT of the Integra sounds- it's missing supernatural brass and woodwinds but synth, piano, ep, organ, strings- all there.

In supernatural sounds, the FA has a very small subset of what's in the integra, it's missing a lot more than brass and woodwinds.

 

The FA has the following SuperNatural Acoustic instrument models:

 

piano

EP (tine and reed)

clav

organ

acoustic and electric bass

acoustic guitar

ensemble strings

 

The Integra has all of those plus:

 

vibes

marimba

harp

sitar

accordions

harmonica

tympani

solo brass (trumpet, trombone, french horn, saxes, etc.)

winds (oboe, bassoon, clarinets, piccolo, flutes)

solo strings (violin, viola, cello)

elec guitar

glockenspiel, xylophone, tubular bells, steel drums

choirs

bagpipes

 

Those are the ones in fixed ROM. Then there are even more that can be loaded into the virtual expansion slots (ethnic tones, and more in the way of brass, winds, acous/elec guitars and bass, brass)

 

Outside of the acoustic instruments, though, the FA and the Integra also both have the same SuperNatural synth engine.

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A couple days ago I watched Minions on Netflix. I think this instrument is neither the queen nor the crown, I', sorry to say. It does the same I hated about all the other redos and suggested "great sound" digital instruments that do, just like this one, hold their own in having some nice sounds, variation, and usability, but furthermore continue to "get it wrong" all over the place. Like some dipsh*t just has to destroy the integrity of just about every sound element that's nice and usable with at least some movement sh*t. Sorry for that.

 

Seriously, I did enjoy the RD1000 videos a bit, apart from the above mentioned, and certainly it was interesting to hear from Miki, though there wasn't much hard science info there.

 

I think it would, apart from not even thinking about the resources to get one, make a great instrument if the sound of the Vpiano part of the instrument can get pretty close to the VPiano which is a lot more expensive. Together with some of the nicely made Integra compatible sounds sets out there (even though some of the examples of downloadable libs to me sounds strangely bad) that is a killer instrument to play with. I didn't much hear that type of potential in the demos, but of course YT aren't everything, and Duke-y's piano might require a new Duke to demo....

 

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I just noodled on it for about 15 minutes, and it feels and sounds very familiar in a good way.

 

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The FA has the following SuperNatural Acoustic instrument models:

 

piano

EP (tine and reed)

clav

organ

acoustic and electric bass

acoustic guitar

ensemble strings

 

The Integra has all of those plus:

 

vibes

marimba

harp

sitar

accordions

harmonica

tympani

solo brass (trumpet, trombone, french horn, saxes, etc.)

winds (oboe, bassoon, clarinets, piccolo, flutes)

solo strings (violin, viola, cello)

elec guitar

glockenspiel, xylophone, tubular bells, steel drums

choirs

bagpipes

 

Now I wonder if everything above is available in the RD-2000, making the FA-06 and Integra-7 obsolete in regards of the Super Natural sound palette.

 

Outside of the acoustic instruments, though, the FA and the Integra also both have the same SuperNatural synth engine.

 

The RD-2000 doesn´t ?

 

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I played a RD-800 a couple weeks ago. The sounds, split and layer capabilities could replace my entire rig.

 

Note to self...stay away from the RD-2000. :laugh::cool:

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The FA has the following SuperNatural Acoustic instrument models:

...

 

Now I wonder if everything above is available in the RD-2000, making the FA-06 and Integra-7 obsolete in regards of the Super Natural sound palette.

Based on the spec page, the only SuperNatural sounds specifically listed in the RD-2000 are piano, EP, and clav. Oddly, not even the "Virtual Tone Wheel Organ" is listed as SN, though I can't imagine it isn't using some variation of the same modeling system they use on other boards and have been using really even before they were calling it SN.

 

Other than those, it only talks about PCM sounds, which are their pre-SN sampled sounds.

 

OTOH, there is some ambiguity because of this paragraph elsewhere on the web site:

 

"Rolands SuperNATURAL technology provides highly expressive Virtual Tone Wheel organs, modern and vintage synths, clavinet, orchestral strings, brass, and many other sound types. "

 

So maybe there are other SN sounds in there, it's not entirely clear. I'd still be very surprised if it included the entire SN sound library, though.

 

 

Outside of the acoustic instruments, though, the FA and the Integra also both have the same SuperNatural synth engine.

 

The RD-2000 doesn´t ?

The spec sheet and web site don't appear to say anything about a SN synth engine, so I was assuming it did not, but there is that ambiguous paragraph above which includes the thing about modern and vintage synths. So, it's vague. There's not really a suitable VA synth editing display on the board, and no mention of an iPad app (as there was with the release of the VR-09, for example)

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So, I was looking around the Roland website at their new RD2000 keyboard. Like a lot of digital keyboards these days, it has a USB port with which the user can use to communicate with a computer. If I understand the video I saw correctly, the RD2000 can send midi data to a connected computer, and the computer can send to the RD2000 the digital data that represents the audio output of software. The RD2000 can then output that digital data as audio signal at the audio outputs of the RD2000. I think the website advertised that the RD2000 can accept up to 192 kHz, 24 bit audio data.

 

This is amazing capability, makes using a computer on stage quick and easy, and has lots of possibilities.

 

1) Do other digital keyboards do this? I do not know of any other digital keyboards that can receive digital audio, convert it to analog and then output it. But then again, I haven't been following the technology that closely.

 

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Hmmm, so it seems they've allowed for audio and MIDI streams over USB to run both ways. I wonder if this will require a proprietary driver, or if it's class compliant USB audio and MIDI on OSX and Windows?

 

Yes, there are other synths that do this - I am brain freezing on which ones...

 

Others like the MP-11 do USB MIDI to host computer, and then you come back analog signal which can be mixed into the keyboards audio outs with the internal engine.

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Hmmm, so it seems they've allowed for audio and MIDI streams over USB to run both ways. I wonder if this will require a proprietary driver, or if it's class compliant USB audio and MIDI on OSX and Windows?

 

Yes, there are other synths that do this - I am brain freezing on which ones...

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Wow, pretty nice Stage AND Studio-Piano!!!

 

I played the FP90 a few weeks ago and the keyboard

feels and plays very very good (liked it better than the

keybed in my CP4!).

 

Midi/Audio over USB is a nice feature too.

 

Hopefully it would be iOS compliant to integrate

an iPad too (with Auria and some Softsynth it would

be a nice workstation).

 

 

 

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Must say, I got excited when I first saw it. Love the Roland sounds and looks like a good all in one package, but come on Roland, seriously? No 76 version? I never buy any Roland 88 boards now because they put so much unneeded length on every single one of their 88 key boards. I'm not even going to mention the weight.

 

While I'd love the idea of gigging with this, from a practical perspective I can't see myself ever picking one up. A shame. That Korg Grand Stage 76, however, has my eye. Will be looking forward to hearing more about that.

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Yeah I saw just one price which was a little over $4000 when I did a quick search yesterday night.

 

It's says 2425 EUR here.

$2499 is the US MAP

 

The $4k price is here in Australia - AKA Treasure Island. Some mfger's charge us the highest price in the world.

 

On the other hand a Nord Stage 2 EX 88 can be had here for $4,200, for the same money which would you choose?

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Hmmm, so it seems they've allowed for audio and MIDI streams over USB to run both ways. I wonder if this will require a proprietary driver, or if it's class compliant USB audio and MIDI on OSX and Windows?

 

Yes, there are other synths that do this - I am brain freezing on which ones...

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And keyboards as old as the Novation X-Station, which has been out for a dozen years.

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The $4k price is here in Australia - AKA Treasure Island. Some mfger's charge us the highest price in the world.

On the other hand a Nord Stage 2 EX 88 can be had here for $4,200, for the same money which would you choose?

 

Personally if the action is comparable with the RD-800 I would choose the Roland. The driver is how I like to work. I like to program my sounds and have proper multizone control and execute a thought out setlist based plan. If you are more of a real time knob twidler fly by the seat of your britches kind of guy you may prefer the Nord. I like Controllers.

 

If I'm doing a jam, pulling stuff out your ass sort of thing then my rig are separate pieces, no MIDI playing a Hammond, a stage piano and maybe a synth. The RD-2000 still look like it would more than fit the bill for that also..... But I like my Yamaha and Kawai stuff.

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Based on the spec page, the only SuperNatural sounds specifically listed in the RD-2000 are piano, EP, and clav. Oddly, not even the "Virtual Tone Wheel Organ" is listed as SN, though I can't imagine it isn't using some variation of the same modeling system they use on other boards and have been using really even before they were calling it SN.

 

Other than those, it only talks about PCM sounds, which are their pre-SN sampled sounds.

 

OTOH, there is some ambiguity because of this paragraph elsewhere on the web site:

 

"Rolands SuperNATURAL technology provides highly expressive Virtual Tone Wheel organs, modern and vintage synths, clavinet, orchestral strings, brass, and many other sound types. "

 

So maybe there are other SN sounds in there, it's not entirely clear. I'd still be very surprised if it included the entire SN sound library, though.

The main piano sound was excellent, I presume it was the V-Piano derivative. I think it will give the Montage piano a run for its money (although I probably prefer the Montage) and as Dave mentioned, the finger-to-ear connection is fantastic. The Rhodes were very full and fat sounding, and integrated well with the effects. The APs and EPs, along with the eight MIDI zones appear to be the main reason for getting this axe. I didn't hear a lot of the SN sounds, but perhaps I needed to dig deeper. Quite frankly, I was not that impressed with many of the other sounds (e.g., organs, brass), although the strings were nice. One of the folks in my group felt the other sounds were consistent with the JV variety. I'll try to see if I can get a straight answer from someone over there regarding how many Jupiter-80/Integra sounds are included or can be loaded-in. But at first blush, this does not appear to be a RD + full-fledged Integra or JP-80 keyboard.

 

 

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The VR700, VR760 and VR09, none of these allow you to send the organ to its own output. I hope after three failed attempts to allow this they got it right on the RD2000. Waiting for an owners manual to understand whether or not Roland finally got that right.....

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