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Winston Psmith

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After purchasing a $25 Monster USB cable . . . In fairness, the guy at Pigtronix suggested trying a better cable, and that worked. If I'd gone with another cheap cable, I might be returning the pedal today.

 

It seems that you really need a high-quality USB cable to read the box; the software fired up in my Mac with no problem, but getting the USB connection to work was the issue. I have all manner of cables & connectors here, and none of them worked with the E2. As soon as I plugged in the Monster cable, the software 'saw' the pedal, and started working.

"Monsters are real, and Ghosts are real too. They live inside us, and sometimes, they win." Stephen King

 

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The issue with USB cables is the length. If the signal is weak, you need to use a higher quality cable or a shorter cable. If you can get away with it, a short cable, even one form the dollar store, will do.

 

In Winston's case, I would guess his pedal's circuitry is not putting out the correct signal strength so the signal was not making it through a regular USB cable. Buying a short or cleaner cable helped. However, the pedal's lack of signal strength may also be indicative of an impending issue...

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The issue with USB cables is the length. If the signal is weak, you need to use a higher quality cable or a shorter cable. If you can get away with it, a short cable, even one form the dollar store, will do.

 

In Winston's case, I would guess his pedal's circuitry is not putting out the correct signal strength so the signal was not making it through a regular USB cable. Buying a short or cleaner cable helped. However, the pedal's lack of signal strength may also be indicative of an impending issue...

 

Thanks for those insights, A String. If you buy a new E2, it comes with a suitable USB cable, but buying I find that in selling their used gear, people seldom include the accessories, like the AC adapter, or even the Manual. The current models, the Filter Pro and Ultra Pro, are also supposed to have improved USB jacks; apparently, the previous models, including the E2 Deluxe, were very prone to failure.

 

All the USB-to-Micro USB cables I had on hand were intended for phone chargers, so it's possible they weren't robust enough to carry the signal; there does seem to be some difference between USB charger cables and USB data cables? Once I plugged in the (very short) Monster cable, the software woke up without any prompting, and I've had no issues with it since. The software gives me access to all the expanded features of the $450 E2 Ultra Pro.

 

@Larryz - part of the reason I was so excited to find this unit was because I could easily see working it into my next album project. It also gives me a very portable version of some of the more experimental sounds I'd worked up in my old Lexicon Vortex, which I don't tend to take out. You'll hear some new material using the E2 soon enough, I promise.

"Monsters are real, and Ghosts are real too. They live inside us, and sometimes, they win." Stephen King

 

http://www.novparolo.com

 

https://thewinstonpsmithproject.bandcamp.com

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Once I plugged in the (very short) Monster cable, the software woke up without any prompting, and I've had no issues with it since.

 

This is very telling. My guess would be the length of the cable had a lot to do with it. A very short USB cable, even a cheap one, probably would have been fine.

 

Charging cables can actually be made without the data cable in it, to save on money. Your best bet is to buy a cheap, short USB cable that is rated to work with - at least - USB 2.0. Well...for the future, anyway.

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@Larryz - part of the reason I was so excited to find this unit was because I could easily see working it into my next album project. It also gives me a very portable version of some of the more experimental sounds I'd worked up in my old Lexicon Vortex, which I don't tend to take out. You'll hear some new material using the E2 soon enough, I promise.

 

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Once I plugged in the (very short) Monster cable, the software woke up without any prompting, and I've had no issues with it since.

 

This is very telling. My guess would be the length of the cable had a lot to do with it. A very short USB cable, even a cheap one, probably would have been fine.

 

Charging cables can actually be made without the data cable in it, to save on money. Your best bet is to buy a cheap, short USB cable that is rated to work with - at least - USB 2.0. Well...for the future, anyway.

 

A String, I suspect it was a case of "6 of one, half dozen of the other"; a too-long cable that was probably made for a phone charger, without the data cable. Once again, thanks for sharing your knowledge on this.

"Monsters are real, and Ghosts are real too. They live inside us, and sometimes, they win." Stephen King

 

http://www.novparolo.com

 

https://thewinstonpsmithproject.bandcamp.com

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Good to know, thanks for the education, vicariously learning from your experiences! And I'm glad to know that that's working for you now, Winston. :cool:

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@Caevan - Here's a photo of the Filter Pro and the Ultra Pro, side by side, just for comparison;

 

http://www.gitarrebass.musikmachen.de/var/musikmachen/storage/images/magazine/gitarre-bass/2016/6/pigtronix-echolution-2-filter-pro-ultra-pro-fx-pedale-testbericht/pigtronixecholution-02/13817821-1-ger-DE/PigtronixEcholution-02_forum_embed.jpg

 

You can see that the Ultra Pro has more controls and LED displays than the Filter Pro, but by using the software, you get access to all the features of the Ultra Pro, plus a number of features you can't access from the front panel of either box. Some of those hidden features include dynamics sensitivity, for the various parameters. Hit the strings hard, and the LFO speeds up, or the Mix gets richer. You can also Invert the sensitivity settings, and the Expression Pedal settings, for each of the 60 presets. The point being, the Filter Pro is around $120 less than the Ultra Pro, but they share the same feature set, and once you download the software, you can dial up the Ultra Pro model in the software to program the added features within the Filter Pro. The idea of the Filter Pro was to create a more stripped-down control surface, with access to the most critical parameters, like Delay Time, or LFO Speed, for ease of use on-stage.

 

Haven't even begun to dig into MIDI control, which is even more extensive. All of the E2's parameters appear to be addressable via MIDI CC's.

 

For the fun/weirdness factor, and the most real-time control even without using MIDI, it's the closest thing to my Lexicon Vortex. I'm afraid that once I finally run the E2 into the rack with the Vortex and the expanded Lexicon JamMan, I may never leave the house again . . .

"Monsters are real, and Ghosts are real too. They live inside us, and sometimes, they win." Stephen King

 

http://www.novparolo.com

 

https://thewinstonpsmithproject.bandcamp.com

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@Caevan - Here's a photo of the Filter Pro and the Ultra Pro, side by side, just for comparison;

 

http://www.gitarrebass.musikmachen.de/var/musikmachen/storage/images/magazine/gitarre-bass/2016/6/pigtronix-echolution-2-filter-pro-ultra-pro-fx-pedale-testbericht/pigtronixecholution-02/13817821-1-ger-DE/PigtronixEcholution-02_forum_embed.jpg

 

You can see that the Ultra Pro has more controls and LED displays than the Filter Pro, but by using the software, you get access to all the features of the Ultra Pro, plus a number of features you can't access from the front panel of either box. Some of those hidden features include dynamics sensitivity, for the various parameters. Hit the strings hard, and the LFO speeds up, or the Mix gets richer. You can also Invert the sensitivity settings, and the Expression Pedal settings, for each of the 60 presets. The point being, the Filter Pro is around $120 less than the Ultra Pro, but they share the same feature set, and once you download the software, you can dial up the Ultra Pro model in the software to program the added features within the Filter Pro. The idea of the Filter Pro was to create a more stripped-down control surface, with access to the most critical parameters, like Delay Time, or LFO Speed, for ease of use on-stage.

 

Haven't even begun to dig into MIDI control, which is even more extensive. All of the E2's parameters appear to be addressable via MIDI CC's.

 

For the fun/weirdness factor, and the most real-time control even without using MIDI, it's the closest thing to my Lexicon Vortex. I'm afraid that once I finally run the E2 into the rack with the Vortex and the expanded Lexicon JamMan, I may never leave the house again . . .

 

Too cool!

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~ Caevan James-Michael Miller-O'Shite ~

_ ___ _ Leprechaun, Esquire _ ___ _

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