Synthoid Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 A couple weeks ago I watched an episode of Star Trek: TNG where Picard has to help land an alien shuttle in distress. I'd never given this a lot of thought over the years, but isn't it amazing how Picard, Chief O'Brien, Geordi, and others can instantly navigate, land, or repair any alien ship they encounter? Does the universal translator work with text on an instrument panel as well? Apparently all of the technology and propulsion systems within the United Federation of Planets is the same. When an eel hits your eye like a big pizza pie, that's a Moray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightbg Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 It's possible........ The late great Bob Hoover was shot down behind enemy lines during WWII and was captured. He managed to escape from his POW camp, made his way to a German airfield, stole a FW 190 fighter, and flew back to England. I'm pretty sure their controls didn't have English labels. Jake 1967 B-3 w/(2) 122's, Nord C1w/Leslie 2101 top, Nord PedalKeys 27, Nord Electro 4D, IK B3X, QSC K12.2, Yamaha reface YC+CS+CP "It needs a Hammond" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnotherScott Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Well, you see, the ship had an "instant training" video. It's not dramatically interesting for us to watch Picard watch the video, so they cut that part out in the editing. Okay, maybe there are only a handful of basic designs that are in virtually all spacecraft, because races have copied each other. So, for example, analyzing a captured Klingon ship (or even just getting its documentation) would let you pretty much know how to operate tons of other ships that have basically stolen/adapted Klingon design. So then, okay, they cut out the line of dialogue where someone says, "Luckily, this race copied their shuttle operation design from the Klingons, so I know how to land it." Really, when it comes to believability, I'd say that the ability for the crew to operate alien ships isn't even in my top ten list of Star Trek things that require serious suspension of disbelief. Maybe this is the best place for a shameless plug! Our now not-so-new new video at https://youtu.be/3ZRC3b4p4EI is a 40 minute adaptation of T. S. Eliot's "Prufrock" - check it out! And hopefully I'll have something new here this year. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DulceLabs.com Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 You need to work on your suspension of disbelief powers. It will vastly improve your viewing enjoyment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RABid Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 One of my favorite is from an episode of Voyager that I saw this week. They encounter a nebula with harmful radiation. On the map the nebula stretched from the left side to of the map to the right. It will take them months to go around so they decide to spend a month going through with the crew hibernating in stasis pods for protection from the radiation. I could have questioned how a ship that always seems to be out of energy and is keeping everyone on replicator rations can suddenly manufacturer stasis pods for every crew member. But no, my question is, how can those people look at the map and NOT say, "Hey, we are in space. We don't just go left, right and forward. We can go up and down. Lets just go over it." I've seen a lot of episodes where something blocked them on the map by stretching side to side, but not stretching up and down. They never seem to think about going above or below. This post edited for speling. My Sweetwater Gear Exchange Page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Bryce Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Two words: temporal anomaly. The Star Trek get out of jail free card. dB ==> David Bryce Music • Funky Young Monks <== Professional Affiliations: Royer Labs • Music Player Network Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synthoid Posted November 10, 2016 Author Share Posted November 10, 2016 Okay, maybe there are only a handful of basic designs that are in virtually all spacecraft, because races have copied each other. Well, for Picard to immediately jump onto the controls and successfully land the shuttle during a panic situation is just ridiculous. And yes, I've been a Trek fan since the 60's and there are far more unbelievable things about the show. This is just one of the more practical ones. Even when test-driving a new car, you familiarize yourself with all the controls first. When an eel hits your eye like a big pizza pie, that's a Moray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanL Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 That's what it's called science FICTION lol! Live: Nord Stage 3 Compact, Nord Wave 2, Viscount Legend Toys: Korg Kronos 2 88, Roland Fantom 08, Nord Lead A1,Roland FA08, Novation Ultranova, Moog LP www.echoesrocks.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synthoid Posted November 10, 2016 Author Share Posted November 10, 2016 Ain't that the truth. 10% science and 90% fiction. When an eel hits your eye like a big pizza pie, that's a Moray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelp Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 I don't know that I could successfully fly and land a Montage at a gig without training! Roland Fantom 06; Yamaha P-125; QSC K10; Cubase 13 Pro; Windows 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synthoid Posted November 10, 2016 Author Share Posted November 10, 2016 I don't know that I could successfully fly and land a Montage at a gig without training! Exactly! Romulan technology... When an eel hits your eye like a big pizza pie, that's a Moray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
16251 Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 I just assume when I watch TNG (which I do over and over again. Great wallpaper when I'm multi-tasking,) that I'm just seeing the final viewing cut. They cut out the hours when they're pushing buttons and cursing as they try to get the alien ship to start. Fun fact: I read they shot the hour show in usually 5 days. AvantGrand N2 | ES520 | Gallien-Krueger MK & MP | https://soundcloud.com/pete36251 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synthoid Posted November 10, 2016 Author Share Posted November 10, 2016 They cut out the hours when they're pushing buttons and cursing as they try to get the alien ship to start. Han Solo has that problem from time to time: [video:youtube] When an eel hits your eye like a big pizza pie, that's a Moray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnotherScott Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 I've seen a lot of episodes where something blocked them on the map by stretching side to side, but not stretching up and down. They never seem to think about going above or below. Khan certainly didn't... [video:youtube] Maybe this is the best place for a shameless plug! Our now not-so-new new video at https://youtu.be/3ZRC3b4p4EI is a 40 minute adaptation of T. S. Eliot's "Prufrock" - check it out! And hopefully I'll have something new here this year. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnotherScott Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 And speaking of the universal translator... which is something you need to accept and not think about too much... In the TOS episode "Breads and Circuses", the big reveal at the end (SPOILER ALERT!) is that the rebels are not SUN worshippers, but rather, that they are SON worshippers. But this is a planet where Rome never fell. If Rome never fell, they would not be speaking English.We don't know whether the UT is translating from Latin, or Italian, or some alien language, there's no indication what their native language is, but there's no rationale at all for it to be English. So here's the problem... for the whole reveal to make sense, WHATEVER language they're speaking, they had to have had the same homophone as English, i.e. their words for "sun" and "son" had to sound the same to the translator. Hmmph! Maybe this is the best place for a shameless plug! Our now not-so-new new video at https://youtu.be/3ZRC3b4p4EI is a 40 minute adaptation of T. S. Eliot's "Prufrock" - check it out! And hopefully I'll have something new here this year. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnotherScott Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Well, for Picard to immediately jump onto the controls and successfully land the shuttle during a panic situation is just ridiculous. ... Even when test-driving a new car, you familiarize yourself with all the controls first. I'll give them dramatic license for that. We can pretend he took 10 seconds to familiarize himself with the basic controls, and that part was cut because it would have been too boring to watch. Though I do seem to remember a scene... maybe in STIII where Chekov is trying to figure out how to fly a Bird of Prey... where they did deal with this... he hopes he's about to hit the right button... Maybe this is the best place for a shameless plug! Our now not-so-new new video at https://youtu.be/3ZRC3b4p4EI is a 40 minute adaptation of T. S. Eliot's "Prufrock" - check it out! And hopefully I'll have something new here this year. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashevillecabbie Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 For me the only absurdity that really grated was the story arc in the last season of Enterprise where they tried to justify why Klingons in the original series looked different than all subsequent Klingons. That was just wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Synthoid Posted November 10, 2016 Author Share Posted November 10, 2016 For me the only absurdity that really grated was the story arc in the last season of Enterprise where they tried to justify why Klingons in the original series looked different than all subsequent Klingons. That was just wrong. Actually first discussed in the DS9 Episode Trials and Tribble-ations. One of my favorites. [video:youtube] When an eel hits your eye like a big pizza pie, that's a Moray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markyboard Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Okay, maybe there are only a handful of basic designs that are in virtually all spacecraft, because races have copied each other. Well, for Picard to immediately jump onto the controls and successfully land the shuttle during a panic situation is just ridiculous. And yes, I've been a Trek fan since the 60's and there are far more unbelievable things about the show. This is just one of the more practical ones. Even when test-driving a new car, you familiarize yourself with all the controls first. Much more plausible: [video:youtube] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashevillecabbie Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 I remember that. "We do not discuss it with outsiders." Another thing that was kooky was the way Picard,Janeway, and Archer would loan out their chief engineers to fix alien ships. That did not always go well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synthoid Posted November 10, 2016 Author Share Posted November 10, 2016 Another thing that was kooky was the way Picard,Janeway, and Archer would loan out their chief engineers to fix alien ships. That did not always go well. Ah yes, especially the "low functioning" Pakled episode: [video:youtube] When an eel hits your eye like a big pizza pie, that's a Moray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashevillecabbie Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Or the time Trip got pregnant... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RABid Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Or how quickly the alien of the week could board a star ship and take control of the computer. Sad to think that my little Windows Server has better security than Starfleet computers. This post edited for speling. My Sweetwater Gear Exchange Page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synthoid Posted November 10, 2016 Author Share Posted November 10, 2016 Worf as one of the "earlier Klingons." When an eel hits your eye like a big pizza pie, that's a Moray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldwin Funster Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 The absurdity is that many alien species are all bipeds that have hands that grasp controls and push buttons. They all see in the same visual spectrum and all hear in the same frequency spectrum. They are all at a similar technology level that is on par with the humans in the story so none can ovewhelm the others like the spanish did with mexico. Can picard fix an alien spaceship? In any sort of reality its doubtful he could fix an alien bicycle. Could the wright brothers fix the spaceshuttle? FunMachine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synthoid Posted November 10, 2016 Author Share Posted November 10, 2016 They are all at a similar technology level that is on par with the humans in the story so none can ovewhelm the others Well, the Borg did a lot of damage for awhile. When an eel hits your eye like a big pizza pie, that's a Moray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richforman Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Yup Scott that sun/son thing jumped out at me as ridiculous, even as a kid! Rich Forman Yamaha MOXF8, Korg Kronos 2-61, Roland Fantom X7, Ferrofish B4000+ organ module, Roland VR-09, EV ZLX12P, K&M Spider Pro stand, Yamaha S80, Korg Trinity Plus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mate stubb Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 I used to call the aliens on TNG "The Forehead People." Slap a little piece of rubber onto the face and go for it. TOS was much more imaginative with alien lifeforms, even if the special effects technology of the time wasn't up to the task. Moe --- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mate stubb Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Long as I am ranting, it's absurd how ugly Frakes was able to make the TNG cast look on the big screen. Oh, and Riker is a douche. But we all knew that. Moe --- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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