DulceLabs.com Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 Uli started a thread on GS asking for input for an analog drum machine. Good times! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulf Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 Hmm, being old enough to remember the original analog drum machines I'm not sure I like what is happening here... Rock bottom bass Fakebook Pro Sheet Music Reader - at every gig! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DulceLabs.com Posted October 15, 2016 Author Share Posted October 15, 2016 Hmm, being old enough to remember the original analog drum machines I'm not sure I like what is happening here... Please to elaborate/ Do you mean they don't sound like real drums? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJUSCULE Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 Arturia's got a jump, but who knows with Uli these days! Eric Website Gear page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Coda Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 Please to elaborate/ Do you mean they don't sound like real drums? They never did ! Everything sounding "like" real drums was already digital ´cause it worked w/ samples,- but today´s physical modelling technology is also digital and even it doesn´t work w/o samples. That said,- some (if not MANY) physical modelled "engines" work w/ samples as a reference. But who cares ? When it sounds real, it´s o.k.. But any analogue drum machines from the past never sounded like real drums. A.C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DulceLabs.com Posted October 15, 2016 Author Share Posted October 15, 2016 Please to elaborate/ Do you mean they don't sound like real drums? They never did ! Everything sounding "like" real drums was already digital ´cause it worked w/ samples,- but today´s physical modelling technology is also digital and even it doesn´t work w/o samples. That said,- some (if not MANY) physical modelled "engines" work w/ samples as a reference. But who cares ? When it sounds real, it´s o.k.. But any analogue drum machines from the past never sounded like real drums. A.C. Agreed 100%. I actually like blippy and low-fi percussion sounds. Also nice to see another player entering the analog space for both synths and now maybe drum machines. A rising tide lifts all ships.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulf Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 Hmm, being old enough to remember the original analog drum machines I'm not sure I like what is happening here... Please to elaborate/ Do you mean they don't sound like real drums? No, the sounds are fine - I really like them, especially some bass drums were really fat and funky. And I guess it is these, the good stuff, that will be recreated. The bad memories comes from sub-par oscillators that meant tempos changed, depending on weather or whatever, and trying to sync the drums with the tape, a bass sequencer or even an arpeggio was a mess. I have no problems with emulated, virtualized or even sampled analog stuff - it is so much more usable for s working musician... Rock bottom bass Fakebook Pro Sheet Music Reader - at every gig! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GovernorSilver Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 It'll be interesting to see what they come up with. I like Arturia's design - each drum sound having its own set of controls and its own sequencer track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABECK Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 Is anyone really doing anything interesting, new or different with this exponential resurgence in "retro" gear? I just can't imagine another drum machine will really offer anything significantly different than what's already out there. Just seems like a market grab. I can't blame the MI companies....they are just vying for the same dollars as everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markyboard Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 I had the same thoughts a couple of weeks ago when I started this thread. I think Dan...err...Dead nailed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. Dan Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 I had the same thoughts a couple of weeks ago when I started this thread. I think Dan...err...Dead nailed it. Funny, I was just going to recommend watching Modulations, then I followed your link and saw I recommended it there! Still recommend it! Dan Acoustic/Electric stringed instruments ranging from 4 to 230 strings, hammered, picked, fingered, slapped, and plucked. Analog and Digital Electronic instruments, reeds, and throat/mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markyboard Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 No surprise here - I'm not into the types of music discussed here. However when I hear some of these loops and sounds I can often imagine their use in music that I do like. I have to say that was a fascinating documentary - well worth the time. Thanks for the link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burningbusch Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 Excellent documentary. Some of the comments in it I could really connect with. The thing I like about working in the electronic genre is that you can use drum machines and loops and it sounds 100% fine. Same with bass and the other elements as they're all synthesized. So you can get pro results in a home studio. If you're working in a genre where you're trying to emulate a band (drummer, bass players, etc.) using MIDI in a home studio, most of the time at best it's going to sound like a demo. Analog drum machines aren't a requirement but they fit perfectly when everything else is synthesized. Analog drums just say you're not trying to fool anyone into thinking this is a real drummer. Busch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Coda Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 Analog drums just say you're not trying to fool anyone into thinking this is a real drummer. Well, I´d say the main difference of hardware drum machines vs most DAW drum plugins is the UI concept offering enough dynamic pads, pattern sequencer and song mode. You work different w/ that (and any pure MIDI pad controller as well) compared to the MIDI mapping layouts across a keyboard controller. Soundwise, most of the analog drumsounds can be created on (analog) synths as well. OTOH, I prefer real sounding drums for most pieces of music,- sometimes a mix from real and synthesized drum sounds too. When you know how to play and arrange drums and use the real sounding quality drum library plugins, I won´t say it´s about fooling the listener. In fact you ARE the drummer then and often do a better drum track than most real drummers. There are pro drummers using controllers like ZEN and hi-end sample libraries, or play their drumkit live while the original sound is replaced by samples in the PA and so on. Lots of post-pro editing anyway in todays recordings, may they be real drums or something else. You rarely hear in a mix what the musician played at the recording. It´s all truncated and shuffled around later, sounds replaced and/or processed beyond recognition ... sometimes. A.C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GovernorSilver Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 Analog drums just say you're not trying to fool anyone into thinking this is a real drummer. Busch. That's what I think of them too. I have some drummer friends who I can recruit if I need the sound of real drums. I like the idea of using drum machines to come up with something that is blatantly not human-sounding. I should check out Modulations. I saw a couple of documentaries on electronic music in the early 2000s - one of them being Better Living Through Chemistry - they were focused on the rave scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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