Tusker Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 ... independent CV control OR preferably midi control of oscillator volume and (ideally) pitch. It would have overall midi control for pitch and gate. Preferably it would have two oscillators. Preferably with state variable filter as opposed to lowpass. I'd like to to augment the oscillators in a Slim Phatty with a couple of oscillators and perhaps a filter I can control precisely with a combination of midi cc and cv pedals. (The Dark Energy is discontinued and only single oscillator. Boomstars don't have the independant CV ins for the oscillators. DSI mopho not my to my sonic taste but if all else fails .... A lunchbox modular would be too big/complicated for this application.) Have you seen anything like this? Thanks for any suggestions ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markyboard Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 Tom Oberheim SEM Pro: http://smhttp.39666.nexcesscdn.net/801433B/vking/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/454x339/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/o/b/oberheim_sem_pro.jpg Also the non-midi version may work for you if you have another midi to CV converter. I use one of these with my Voyager - pretty much for the same purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tusker Posted September 27, 2016 Author Share Posted September 27, 2016 Thanks Mark. That's a great filter. How do you control individual oscillator volume/pitch on the SEM Pro? Tonally very much more my cup of tea than DSI ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synthoid Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 Did someone say lunchbox modular? Are peanut butter sandwiches included? http://www.musicfromouterspace.com/analogsynth_new/THE_CAVE/Your%20First%20Synth/Your%20First%20Synth_files/alexmercklunchsynth.jpg When an eel hits your eye like a big pizza pie, that's a Moray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markyboard Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 How do you control individual oscillator volume/pitch on the SEM Pro? The patch panel version has individual OSC CV ins and one for the VCA as well among many others. looks like the pro version has these as well. For volume control you would set the VCA to external (which disconnects Env 1) and use a cv pedal or an external envelope/control of choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markyboard Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 Another thing that you may want to be aware of: Osc 1 CV input is normaled to OSC2 via a jumper. So you only need one pitch CV to control both oscillators. You can change this jumper setting to make them independent (easy to do). I cant remember if I went in and changed this or it was shipped in the normaled configuration. Edit: Knew there was 1 more. Many keyboards combine the key note pitch voltage and the pitch bend voltage into 1 CV. Not the Voyager however (and maybe not your Slim-Phatty). Not sure if you were planning on using this as your controller or not. The voyage does provide separate pitch bend CV through a Moog VX-351 interface where you can then play games and add the keyboard pitch to the pitch bend. I mainly use another device that mitigates this whole issue but again, didn't want you caught by surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tusker Posted September 27, 2016 Author Share Posted September 27, 2016 How do you control individual oscillator volume/pitch on the SEM Pro? The patch panel version has individual OSC CV ins and one for the VCA as well among many others. looks like the pro version has these as well. For volume control you would set the VCA to external (which disconnects Env 1) and use a cv pedal or an external envelope/control of choice. Perfect. Will look into it. Also looking at a Pulse 2 .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tusker Posted September 27, 2016 Author Share Posted September 27, 2016 Edit: Knew there was 1 more. Many keyboards combine the key note pitch voltage and the pitch bend voltage into 1 CV. Not the Voyager however (and maybe not your Slim-Phatty). Not sure if you were planning on using this as your controller or not. The voyage does provide separate pitch bend CV through a Moog VX-351 interface where you can then play games and add the keyboard pitch to the pitch bend. I mainly use another device that mitigates this whole issue but again, didn't want you caught by surprise. I appreciate this info. Yes, I am expecting to control pitch primarily through Midi (keyboard plus pitchbend) and adding other pitch information via CV/MIDI, on top of that (for oscillator FM and detuning, primarily) Leaning toward the Pulse 2 due to it's having three independent oscillator VCA's into the pre-filter mix which can be addressed through MIDI or CV. It would allow the Moog oscillators to be primary oscillators, cross-fading in the Waldorf oscillators as "character" oscillators. Unfortunately, the filter is not of the same quality as the SEM. Very few filters are. Trade-offs. Will investigate. Thanks very much Mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tusker Posted September 27, 2016 Author Share Posted September 27, 2016 BTW, Synthoid, that's a cool website Not a DIY guy, but enjoying the videos.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markyboard Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 Xenophone - one of Carlo's (aka Marino) favorites: http://www.hypersynth.com/xenophone/AFP_5969.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tusker Posted September 28, 2016 Author Share Posted September 28, 2016 One more for the list. Thanks Mark. I had forgotten about that. Looks like the pre-filter VCAs are mod destinations but I will need to confirm that in the manual. Yeah, Carlo's demo is very effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markyboard Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 If I wasn't full up with mono (cough) I would definitely consider this one. It looks extremely comprehensive with a lot of unique sound creation possibilities and would bring something really different to the Sub-Phatty sound. Plus it looks like a boat load of fun. TBH the Pulse 2 while packed with functionality doesn't do it for me. I'm not into matrix type interfaces; imo they take the immediacy and fun factor out of the analog experience. YMMV and of course cost is a factor as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tusker Posted September 28, 2016 Author Share Posted September 28, 2016 Thanks Mark. Very good points. I am happy with the Moog sound, so with this monosynth I am looking for two more oscillators to run through the Moog in a live context. Currently, I am running an S90ES into the Pitch CV and Audio in of the Moog. I am very happy with the former (for FM, noise, etc) but have mixed results with the latter. So I am primarily looking for two more analog oscillators with independent midi control of volume, so as to control the mix of frequencies which go into the Moog's filter. As it is, due to potential differences in portamento settings, it will be a bit of trial and error to make the whole thing work as a cohesive voice. :idk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markyboard Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 Currently, I am running an S90ES into the Pitch CV and Audio in of the Moog. I'm curious - are you taking an audio output from the S90ES and running it into the Sub Phatty Pitch CV input? Or do you have some midi to CV converter in between the S90ES and the SP? :idk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tusker Posted September 28, 2016 Author Share Posted September 28, 2016 Hi Mark, Yes, it's audio ... direct from S90ES audio output to Phatty CV input. No problems in three years. It's the equivalent of up to four modulation busses which can carry control signals ranging from medium LFO to audio rates, with envelopes and LFOS available for each of the four modulation signals. Discussion here where we talked it through. This forum is the greatest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markyboard Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 Oh man, just skimmed through that thread and I'm bummed I totally missed the geek-fest . TBH that was the last thing I wanted to do back then when I came home from work. Well maybe not quite the last . Anyway that is so cool and very ingenious exploiting what you already had, making the most of it. It's amazing how much functionality opens up when you start exploring these CV inputs that I've pretty much ignored... up 'til now. Nice one Jerry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marino Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 Xenophone - one of Carlo's (aka Marino) favorites There's also a new player in the field: http://greatsynthesizers.com/en/test/grp-a2-that-classical-cherry-on-the-cake/ Highly recommended: Top-quality stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doerfler Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 that looks very cool, Marino. Plus, it's Italian! Not yet available, however the price looks good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markyboard Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 Xenophone - one of Carlo's (aka Marino) favorites There's also a new player in the field: http://greatsynthesizers.com/en/test/grp-a2-that-classical-cherry-on-the-cake/ Highly recommended: Top-quality stuff. Damn! Make it stop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tusker Posted September 29, 2016 Author Share Posted September 29, 2016 There's also a new player in the field: http://greatsynthesizers.com/en/test/grp-a2-that-classical-cherry-on-the-cake/ Really beautiful Carlo. Thank you. It needs to find it's way to this excellent thread. For me, unlike the xenophone ... due to size/price and (presumably) the lack of digital control, it's not giggable. At this point, it's xenohone and pulse 2 for me ... will do some more research. Thanks everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tusker Posted September 29, 2016 Author Share Posted September 29, 2016 Anyway that is so cool and very ingenious exploiting what you already had, making the most of it. It's amazing how much functionality opens up when you start exploring these CV inputs that I've pretty much ignored... up 'til now. Nice one Jerry Thanks Mark. I am basically lazy. I don't want to haul stuff to a performance unless I need it. Ideally I can tear down and get off a stage slightly after the bassist and the horn players, and long before the drummer. For this reason, even my Moog Delay often stays at home. It's range-of-expression/space ratio is too low for my performance context currently. Building a modulation matrix out of a rompler I am going to haul anyway is space efficient. A second synth (as an additional part of a single analog voice) had better be space efficient also. Fingers crossed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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