ABECK Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 GSI has released a new update with additional samples - "Digital Sounds from the Nineties". Looks like RD800, M1, D-50, Wavestation type stuff (from the pic anyway). There's also new presets that incorporate the new samples and presets that incorporate some of the other engines. Very cool indeed. I plan to play around with it this weekend. Hopefully I can post a quick vid too. GSI Site Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delaware Dave Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 Is it really a 114MB file? 57 Hammond B3; 69 Hammond L100P; 68 Leslie 122; Kurzweil PC3; M-Audio Code 61; Voce V5+; Neo Vent; EV ELX112P; GSI Gemini & Burn Delaware Dave Exit 93 Band Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnotherScott Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 Very cool that they can add new sounds to it. Most of the bread and butter sounds are already in there, too. Harmonica and marimba might be useful additions. Maybe this is the best place for a shameless plug! Our now not-so-new new video at https://youtu.be/3ZRC3b4p4EI is a 40 minute adaptation of T. S. Eliot's "Prufrock" - check it out! And hopefully I'll have something new here this year. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElmerJFudd Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 Is it really a 114MB file? Doesn't take much space to pack a ROMpler with sounds. Remember original Motif had an 84mb ROM. And from this they created 384 presets and 48 kits. On the other hand we have software pianos and high end digital pianos and workstations that are sampling every key and some even using un-looped samples. So yeah... pure sampling instruments can be in the gigabytes if you need that detail. Yamaha CP88, Casio PX-560 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnotherScott Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 I'm not surprised at it being as small as 114mb, I'm surprised at it being as BIG as 114 mb. This is just for a bunch of extra sounds besides what's already in it. The entirety of many sub-$1000 instruments is in the 64mb to 256mb range. And in terms of persistent writable space for new sounds, the Sledge has 60 mb available, and in this price range, even that is uncommon. Maybe this is the best place for a shameless plug! Our now not-so-new new video at https://youtu.be/3ZRC3b4p4EI is a 40 minute adaptation of T. S. Eliot's "Prufrock" - check it out! And hopefully I'll have something new here this year. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElmerJFudd Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 It's buried in the Gemini thread somewhere but I remember Guido saying there was something like 700mb left in the onboard storage. So I wouldn't be surprised if he just keeps on sampling and building up the library. Question, do you have to re-flash the whole device to add the extra sounds? Yamaha CP88, Casio PX-560 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnotherScott Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 It's buried in the Gemini thread somewhere but I remember Guido saying there was something like 700mb left in the onboard storage. Cool. I would doubt it. When adding new sounds to any other such device, you don't have to do that (adding new samples to Nords, Yamahas with flash card, etc.) so I can't imagine why this would be different. It looks like all you do is run the install file, and I guess it *could* be re-doing things from scratch, but either way, the procedure is simple and fast enough. It says it should take about 15 seconds. Which is actually pretty remarkable itself. With that kind of write speed, they're not doing what Nord and Yamaha do. There are other methods with faster write speeds, but they usually require long boots whenever you turn the unit on (the Korg trade-off), but I don't think the Gemini has a long boot either, so I don't know what they're doing. Maybe this is the best place for a shameless plug! Our now not-so-new new video at https://youtu.be/3ZRC3b4p4EI is a 40 minute adaptation of T. S. Eliot's "Prufrock" - check it out! And hopefully I'll have something new here this year. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElmerJFudd Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 I had asked Guido in the other thread also if he'd write software for user samples at some point. It's not planned, but as long as they are interested in growing the library- perhaps a little less important. Yamaha CP88, Casio PX-560 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piattica Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 Guido told me there is something like 5GB left in the onboard storage !!! "Harmonica and marimba might be useful additions." +1 VR-09, PX5S, VB3, MrRay, Gemini, K2500R, XStation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delaware Dave Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 You have to be on the latest version of the firmware. I just upgraded from 1.14 to 1.15. It took less than 3 seconds. After that then you can just load in the new sample update, no reflash is necessary. If the HX3 would have been this simple to update I would have bought it but due to many of the things that I read about HX3 updates I went the Gemini route. For a few hundred dollars more I not only got a Mojo equivalent, but a modeled Rhodes, Wurli, a D6 with all of the switch options, DX7, Brass, Strings, VA synth, Farfisa, Vox, and a ton of other sounds with the update. Even the acoustic piano is better than my PC3. One sound missing is a saxophone; it includes a trumpet (which really sounds authentic) but I have no need for one, but if he included a sax with the level of authenticity that the trumpet has, it would be killer. 57 Hammond B3; 69 Hammond L100P; 68 Leslie 122; Kurzweil PC3; M-Audio Code 61; Voce V5+; Neo Vent; EV ELX112P; GSI Gemini & Burn Delaware Dave Exit 93 Band Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElmerJFudd Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 OK, I found the info in the massive Gemini thread.... "The whole sample library of the Gemini is currently made up of a little over 1.5GB of uncompressed audio data; the GSi Grand D alone is just over 280MB comprised of 244 samples, an average of 4 velocity layers, sampled every 2 or 3 notes, no loops, the longest sample is almost 22 seconds. There are more than 3GB left for future sample expansions." So it sounds like there is between 4 and 5gb of flash RAM on the Gemini card and about 3gb left for them to expand the library with. At which point I asked Guido, What's the plan for the Gemini sample synth. Are you going to keep it propriety and make libraries available only through GSi. Or will you open it up to user samples and give us tools to create and manage upload? To which he replied, "I think it will stay closed for a long series of very good reasons... At some point I might provide a conversion tool from some common format (SF2?) to GSP-01, but right now I have no plans for this." Hope that helps. And for anyone stumbling on this thread... here's a link to the long running Gemini thread... hope you have some time on your hands. https://forums.musicplayer.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2723220/1 Yamaha CP88, Casio PX-560 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElmerJFudd Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 Also, some clarification so people understand... These additional instruments like the acoustic pianos on the GSI Gemini are available through the "Adaptive Sample Player" or GSP-01 engine on the card. It is a kind of "ROMpler" that doesn't limit itself to playing back samples in a cold and static manner. The GSP-01 can change its internal structure according to the kind of sample-set that is loaded, adding or eliminating some of its features accordingly. For example, there's a special "Physical Modeling Piano Harp Resonance Simulator" that is only activated when a piano sound is loaded and adds some surprising vitality to sampled piano sounds. GSP-01 also adapts itself to various sound styles by activating or deactivating the internal LFO, Pitch Bender, Expression pedal, or sustain re-pedaling features. The total polyphony is automatically pre-calculated according to the type of sound and is based on our Intelligent Note Stealing Algorithm. GSP-01 can only load custom GSi samplesets, and comes with a selection of multisamples covering a wide range of sounds, some of which are sampled from our own vintage synth collection. The sample library is expandable with future GSi releases that can be easily imported into the Gemini. The Grand D preset alone is just over 280MB comprised of 244 samples, an average of 4 velocity layers, sampled every 2 or 3 notes, no loops, the longest sample is almost 22 seconds. Audio Demos: Grand_Piano_D.mp3 Grand_Piano_D_jazz.mp3 Honky_Tonky.mp3 Funky_Brass_Section.mp3 Accordion_1.mp3 Accordion_2.mp3 Audio Demos from the new 90s Digital Collection. Some very recognizable Roland and Yamaha timbres here. That_90s_Piano.mp3 Crystal_EP.mp3 Dance_Piano_90s.mp3 PCM_EPiano.mp3 Breathing_Piano.mp3 Glass_Flute.mp3 Fantasy.mp3 FifthSoundScape.mp3 Heaven_In_The_80s.mp3 Dance_Organ_90s.mp3 Deep_Space.mp3 Bell_Pad.mp3 Yamaha CP88, Casio PX-560 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dockeys Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 The GSI hardware stuff has completely bypassed me but it looks really interesting as a desktop piece of hardware. Must look for some reviews on Youtube. Yamaha MODX8, Legend Live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giancarlo Robles Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 One sound missing is a saxophone; it includes a trumpet (which really sounds authentic) but I have no need for one, but if he included a sax with the level of authenticity that the trumpet has, it would be killer. +1. A saxophone sound would definitely make it a much better package. I usually need sax sounds when playing live, particularly for solos. At the moment I'm just using some soundfonts to cover saxes. Another sound missing (I think) is an electric guitar. I know guitar sounds don't usually translate well to keyboards but I need them from time to time. An overdriven and a cleaner electric guitar sound would be amazing! Casio Privia PX-5S ::: DMC-122 with Gemini Module ::: Novation Launchkey 61 ::: Roland CM-30 Speaker ::: Ipad Mini 2 with a lot of apps for live playing (Korg Module, Galileo organ, Thumbjam, etc.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveMcM Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 ...Question, do you have to re-flash the whole device to add the extra sounds? Nope. The new sample data is installed via a USB stick (this does not affect your existing presets), and then you can audition each new preset directly from the USB stick and decide if you want to save it in the Gemini. Wm. David McMahan I Play, Therefore I Am Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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