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21st Century Pedalboard . . . I think I'm done?


Winston Psmith

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I think I've found the last two elements for this project. The idea behind the 21st Century Pedalboard was to avoid having a modern version of something we might have assembled back in '79, or '85. You know what I mean. At any rate . . .

 

My FLUMS (U for 'Used') had a very clean WMD Geiger Counter Civilian Issue, and an equally nice Pigtronix Echolution 2 Deluxe with the Remote Footswitch. The three together were going for less than I would have paid for a new Echolution Ultra Pro, and I had some gear to trade, so . . .

 

The Geiger Counter CI is one of the nastiest sound manglers I've ever heard, maybe the ugliest. Not exactly a Bit Crusher, it modulates your input signal through different waveforms, generated by the internal 8-bit processor. Don't mistake this for a Digital Modulation effect, however, like Chorus or Flanging; think vicious, sputtering Fuzz, broken tubes, and radio interference, possibly all at once. I love it . . . Dannyalcatraz, one of these is calling to you, even now.

 

The Echolution 2 is a different animal, altogether. Perhaps the most beautiful, and complex sounds I have ever heard coming out of any Delay. It's really a Multi-FX, with special attention to the Delays. You can generate Chorus, Flanger & Vibrato effects, Filter effects, Pitch Shift/Octave effects, simple Delays, or almost any combination thereof. Add an Expression Pedal, and you get real-time control over various parameters.

 

(Caevan; it's not a replacement for your Vortex, but damn, it's good! Try one of these, it will put a smile on your face.)

 

The big drawback to the Echolution's design is that there's little or no visual feedback, as to settings. You don't get a display for Delay Time, LFO Speed/Depth, any of the things you might expect on a Multi-FX this deep. There is, however, a very well-designed Editor/Librarian, which you can download from Pigtronix for free. You can even download free firmware upgrades, so if you already have an Echolution 2, you can upgrade to the current Ultra Pro firmware; be advised, you may have to ramp up through several firmware upgrades, to get to the latest version. That's my project for today, then I'll start assembling the final layout. Photos in the FB group, when it's done . . .

"Monsters are real, and Ghosts are real too. They live inside us, and sometimes, they win." Stephen King

 

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That's a cool idea, and I'm glad you scored some more pedals to that end, and that they're so satisfying- gratifying- for you. :cool:

 

The Echolution 2 is a different animal, altogether. Perhaps the most beautiful, and complex sounds I have ever heard coming out of any Delay. It's really a Multi-FX, with special attention to the Delays. You can generate Chorus, Flanger & Vibrato effects, Filter effects, Pitch Shift/Octave effects, simple Delays, or almost any combination thereof. Add an Expression Pedal, and you get real-time control over various parameters.

 

(Caevan; it's not a replacement for your Vortex, but damn, it's good! Try one of these, it will put a smile on your face.)

 

Duly noted! And thanks for thinkin' of me, Winston.

 

My personal pedal mission has been to find pedals that will give me, and improve upon, various sounds that I previously could only get via my DigiTech GNX4 digital-modeler/multi-effects, which I used to run direct to PA mains and monitors in a band that I used to be in, so that I can get those with my real-live tube-amps and have greater control over my own sound and volume-levels in a live setting. The GNX4 compromised the sound, feel, and response of my tube-amps if connected in front or in the effects-loop, and the various pedals that I've been acquiring over the last few years have also definitely sounded much better than the digitally-derived impersonations of the modeler/mfx.

 

If I can ever similarly get some of the INCREDIBLE, complex, rich effects that I got from some of my programs on my dodgy old Lexicon Vortex rack-mount unit, all the more betterer! :2thu:

 

 

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If I can ever similarly get some of the INCREDIBLE, complex, rich effects that I got from some of my programs on my dodgy old Lexicon Vortex rack-mount unit, all the more betterer! :2thu:

 

 

Caevan, the overall sound is very warm, unless you go crazy with Feedback on some of the settings. You can get some very smooth, Analog-sounding Delay effects out of it, but the combination of Delay/Filter/LFO/Pitch effects is well up there with the complexity, and weirdness factor of the Vortex' sounds. I could easily see Bill Frisell making good use of one of these.

"Monsters are real, and Ghosts are real too. They live inside us, and sometimes, they win." Stephen King

 

http://www.novparolo.com

 

https://thewinstonpsmithproject.bandcamp.com

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Ah, well, I should have known . . .

 

It seems that whoever traded in the E2 knew that the USB jack was FUBAR. I spent much of my day exchanging emails with Pigtronix, and even talked with their main tech guy on the phone. After running a few simple tests, I'm sure that it's not working.

 

I think I'm abandoning this project, for good, and I'll just take back everything I got, and say to hell with it . . .

"Monsters are real, and Ghosts are real too. They live inside us, and sometimes, they win." Stephen King

 

http://www.novparolo.com

 

https://thewinstonpsmithproject.bandcamp.com

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The Geiger Counter CI is one of the nastiest sound manglers I've ever heard, maybe the ugliest. Not exactly a Bit Crusher, it modulates your input signal through different waveforms, generated by the internal 8-bit processor. Don't mistake this for a Digital Modulation effect, however, like Chorus or Flanging; think vicious, sputtering Fuzz, broken tubes, and radio interference, possibly all at once. I love it . . . Dannyalcatraz, one of these is calling to you, even now.

 

I agree with your assessment of the GCCI...but I already have its bigger, badder brother. :laugh:

Sturgeon's 2nd Law, a.k.a. Sturgeon's Revelation: âNinety percent of everything is crapâ

 

My FLMS- Murphy's Music in Irving, Tx

 

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Ah, well, I should have known . . .

 

It seems that whoever traded in the E2 knew that the USB jack was FUBAR. I spent much of my day exchanging emails with Pigtronix, and even talked with their main tech guy on the phone. After running a few simple tests, I'm sure that it's not working.

 

I think I'm abandoning this project, for good, and I'll just take back everything I got, and say to hell with it . . .

:(

Sturgeon's 2nd Law, a.k.a. Sturgeon's Revelation: âNinety percent of everything is crapâ

 

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http://murphysmusictx.com/

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The only good thing to come out of this is that I know the folks from Pigtronix stand behind their products, and really try to help out, so if you're looking for a new pedal company . . .

 

I sent an email to the tech guy, to thank him for his efforts, and he replied with an offer to check out some B-stock items they still have on hand, since the E2 Deluxe is now discontinued. While I still might be able to one for a decent price, and presumably without the defective USB, I've had all the fun I can stand. Time to to start looking at what I can get for the rest of my gear . . .

"Monsters are real, and Ghosts are real too. They live inside us, and sometimes, they win." Stephen King

 

http://www.novparolo.com

 

https://thewinstonpsmithproject.bandcamp.com

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Pigtronix is a solid company all around. FWIW, David Koltai- the man behind the brand- is also one of the people behind the relaunched Supro amp company.

Sturgeon's 2nd Law, a.k.a. Sturgeon's Revelation: âNinety percent of everything is crapâ

 

My FLMS- Murphy's Music in Irving, Tx

 

http://murphysmusictx.com/

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Ah, well, I should have known . . .

 

It seems that whoever traded in the E2 knew that the USB jack was FUBAR. I spent much of my day exchanging emails with Pigtronix, and even talked with their main tech guy on the phone. After running a few simple tests, I'm sure that it's not working.

 

I think I'm abandoning this project, for good, and I'll just take back everything I got, and say to hell with it . . .

The only good thing to come out of this is that I know the folks from Pigtronix stand behind their products, and really try to help out, so if you're looking for a new pedal company . . .

 

I sent an email to the tech guy, to thank him for his efforts, and he replied with an offer to check out some B-stock items they still have on hand, since the E2 Deluxe is now discontinued. While I still might be able to one for a decent price, and presumably without the defective USB, I've had all the fun I can stand. Time to to start looking at what I can get for the rest of my gear . . .

 

Can't that possibly be fixed, for not too much... ?

Ask yourself- What Would Ren and Stimpy Do?

 

~ Caevan James-Michael Miller-O'Shite ~

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Can't that possibly be fixed, for not too much... ?

 

Possibly, but given the time and aggravation I've already spent on it, I'm not inclined to invest any more time or effort, other than to be rid of it, and everything that goes with it. I've reached my limit, brother. I'm done with all of it . . .

"Monsters are real, and Ghosts are real too. They live inside us, and sometimes, they win." Stephen King

 

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Thanks, everyone, for your kind thoughts. Sorry, I try not to let my anger get the better of me, but there are times when I go full-blood primitive Irishman; not a good thing, ask the Brits, or the ancient Romans.

 

I really am done with this project; it's time to consider that having music in my life is an indulgence I can't afford anymore. Better to know that now, I guess, than never.

"Monsters are real, and Ghosts are real too. They live inside us, and sometimes, they win." Stephen King

 

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Thanks, everyone, for your kind thoughts. Sorry, I try not to let my anger get the better of me, but there are times when I go full-blood primitive Irishman; not a good thing, ask the Brits, or the ancient Romans.

 

I really am done with this project; it's time to consider that having music in my life is an indulgence I can't afford anymore. Better to know that now, I guess, than never.

 

Winston, my friend, it's not having music in your life, or making music, that you can or can't afford any more- it's certain means to pursued ends. Don't let these recent troubles beat you down and discourage you- get past them, find other things to do, and play music to channel your feelings, good and bad. That's definitely served me well, and I'm much better off than I would have been otherwise...

Ask yourself- What Would Ren and Stimpy Do?

 

~ Caevan James-Michael Miller-O'Shite ~

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My mom almost gave up on piano @19 years ago. Her hands simply weren't up to playing some of the stuff she was used to playing. So as we were preparing to move into a new house, she was going to sell her piano.

 

My Dad, a normally unfathomably calm man, was ticked. Basically, he said that she shouldn't give up on piano just because her skills had deteriorated for health reasons. Some piano playing, he asserted, was better than none. It was part of what helped make home HOME.

 

Mom sold her piano...and used that money towards the purchase of a baby grand. She doesn't play as well or often as she did, but she definitely still plays. The time she spends playing or praying the rosary are among the most therapeutic moments of her days..

 

Don't let frustrations lead you to excise a part of your inner being.

Sturgeon's 2nd Law, a.k.a. Sturgeon's Revelation: âNinety percent of everything is crapâ

 

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With love and respect, brothers, I am not certain I can continue to live with the frustration. Giving up music altogether may be my path to a form of inner peace, albeit a rather empty, soundless one.

 

I took back all the gear I'd gotten the other day, including the GGCI, which worked perfectly well; I just didn't want to bother with any of it anymore, working or not. I got back the gear I'd traded in, and it's now sitting in my basement, so the sum total of my efforts was the better part of two days wasted, absolutely nothing gained.

 

I'm getting ready to strip all my custom sounds from all of my Multi-FX, and Synths, in preparation to return all of them, next week. While I've spent hundreds of hours constructing those sounds, it's worth reflecting that anything you can utterly wipe from existence by pressing "Reset", probably wasn't worth the space it took up in this world, and thus, was never worth the time I spent on it to begin with. I may be a fan of Camus, but my commitment to the absurd, as he expressed it, only goes so far.

"Monsters are real, and Ghosts are real too. They live inside us, and sometimes, they win." Stephen King

 

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I'll say again, don't do it. Don't give it all up. How does the saying go? "You don't know what you've got 'till it's gone."

 

But if you must...well...I truly hope that the new path is actually the right one for you, and that you suffer no regrets.

:cheers:

Sturgeon's 2nd Law, a.k.a. Sturgeon's Revelation: âNinety percent of everything is crapâ

 

My FLMS- Murphy's Music in Irving, Tx

 

http://murphysmusictx.com/

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@ Winston, That "Reset" button really comes in handy when you want to put the whole multi pedal back to stock after screwing around for 24 hours or so LOL! I put a Boss pedal back to stock before selling it, but I included my hand charts/notes of what I had done just in case the buyer wanted to try a few of my creations! Sometimes it's good to start over...

 

My Juno 60 keyboard only had one pre-set honky tonk piano. I had to mess with all those buttons for hours and days but finally came up with 4 piano settings that really sounded great! Not as good as Danny's Mom's baby grand though! When I kicked myself in the ass (I mean when I sold the Juno), I told the buyer to never delete those 4 saved pianos or he'll have trouble getting even one of them back...It's a lot of fun messing around with the analog synths and there is always something new to discover and save...

 

One thing you have going for you Winston is you have surpassed the learning curve. What would take most people hours to create, you can do in minutes...even when I go in another direction like just playing that old acoustic in the corner for a few months, I always find something new and enjoy the discovery process. My fretting hand has been giving out so I can't book any gigs now days and consider myself dependable when the arthritis pain shows up again. I really appreciate what Danny said about his dad saying "some piano playing, he asserted, was better than none." I always think of Les Paul and Django when I need inspiration to keep on playing...

 

Hang in there bud! :thu:

Take care, Larryz
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Thanks, Danzilla, and everyone who responded. Honestly, I'm just as mad at myself, for allowing myself to get so mad; there's a conundrum for you!?!?!?!

 

Not being a beer-&-BBQ kind of guy - give me a pizza and a Coke, thanks - I spent the holiday weekend weeding in my yard, and doing battle with a well-entrenched nest of yellow jackets. Weeding my place during the warm, wet season is a full-time job, the yellow jackets were just a hazard, being right next to our front door. In a weird way, I felt bad this morning, looking over to where the nest was, and not seeing a single wasp hanging over the hole, but if you ever get swarmed by those suckers, they can send you to the ER. Today, I've been back outdoors, enjoying the last of the Summer heat . . .

 

Moving on; everything I said about the Echolution 2 still stands. The sounds were incredible, the programming potential more like an 80's or 90's rack unit that would have easily cost $1000+. If I'd found any workaround to get at the Editor, I would have kept it.

 

Given what I heard from the tech guy at Pigtronix, however, I can't recommend buying another used one, even if your threshold of frustration is higher than mine: Clearly, I wasn't anywhere near the first person who'd discovered a damaged USB port in a used E2. I don't know if that's a design flaw, or if some people are just that much more careless with their gear, but it's a caution.

 

I'm back to the outdoors. Many thanks, again. Until later . . .

"Monsters are real, and Ghosts are real too. They live inside us, and sometimes, they win." Stephen King

 

http://www.novparolo.com

 

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I understand that kind of anger. Ohhhh, yes.

 

And thanks to the heads up on the Pigtronix pedal. That one is on my list, but based on your advice, I'll make sure I buy mine use.

Sturgeon's 2nd Law, a.k.a. Sturgeon's Revelation: âNinety percent of everything is crapâ

 

My FLMS- Murphy's Music in Irving, Tx

 

http://murphysmusictx.com/

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Hmmmm....

chk this from the Help Desk...

https://forums.musicplayer.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2800966/Remove_self_from_Forums#Post2800966

 

Does anyone know WPS or have a way to contact him.

I don't think there's an emergency or anything but clearly frustrations in life can lead to bad decisions such as throwing in the towel.

 

His quitting music could change the world for worse for not just Winston but us all.

 

Think abt it.

 

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Hmmmm....

chk this from the Help Desk...

https://forums.musicplayer.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2800966/Remove_self_from_Forums#Post2800966

 

Does anyone know WPS or have a way to contact him.

I don't think there's an emergency or anything but clearly frustrations in life can lead to bad decisions such as throwing in the towel.

 

His quitting music could change the world for worse for not just Winston but us all.

 

Think abt it.

 

^D re: your Help Desk post today, that post was done on 9/2/16. I think Winston's still out here as of his last post 9/6/16 on this thread...and on the GAS thread on 9/7/16...and on the Cool New Effects thread 9/10/16...and on the World Record Sale thread 9/14/16...and on the Old v Vintage thread 9/16/16...I'm pretty sure he's still out here! It's always great and informative having him here on the forum and I know he'll always have music in him to share! :cool:

 

 

Take care, Larryz
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Here I am, guys.

 

Wow, I had no idea . . . I don't even know what to say. I'm sorry for causing concern, I'd just had enough at one point, and had to let that state of mind burn off. August was a full month of Music, with shows or rehearsals every weekend, and September has been a full month of work, and I just hit a wall, mentally and physically. It might have been almost anything, as burnt as I've been feeling.

 

Still, even if I wanted to be done with Music, Music clearly isn't done with me. More on that some other time, perhaps . . .

 

My thanks, and my apologies. FWIW, I'm not altogether convinced that it would be a loss to the world if I were to give up Music, but I would hate to lose this group of friends, for any reason. Namaste, all.

"Monsters are real, and Ghosts are real too. They live inside us, and sometimes, they win." Stephen King

 

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